At Urging Of Minneapolis Police, Hennepin Ems Workers Subdued Dozens With A Powerful Sedative

[Amonet]

It sounds like a lazy police force that doesn’t want to deal with agitated people. Wonder what the percentages are that the majority that are sedated are black?

Don’t EMS people have an oath similar to doctors? What is the peer ranking - are police officers higher than EMS?
Can EMS refuse to follow a police officer’s orders without getting in trouble?

If our world is stooping this low, lets give the drug that makes you tell the truth and save all the money wasted on the lies perps tell In solving a case! Sodium Penathol or hypnotize them.

I have to admit to wondering what the racial breakdown of these incidents might be.

 

[Amonet]

I'm confused to why these individuals where sedated.


If they are strapped down and handcuffed on a stretcher, their level of agitation is irrelevant. They can't harm themselves or others at that point.

I don't get this.

At urging of Minneapolis police, Hennepin EMS workers subdued dozens with a powerful sedative

From reading the article that enelram linked to, I'd say that the level of agitation once strapped down is not medically irrelevant. (I'm not medically trained in any way, that's just what I got from the article.) But that still goes back to the decision needing to be a medical decision.

 

[Gardenista]

I might be a little biased, but terrible stories come out from all over. It’s not just a Minnesota thing. The majority of Minnesota is great. MOO

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

I can agree to disagree I’m curious though.......what makes you say Minnesota is a disaster?

 

[Vail]

I've seen this first hand. They aren't always strapped down and handcuffed. In my case, it was a 17year old kid that was high on pcp - he was handcuffed in the back of a cruiser and the tech had to assist him through the door while an officer held the kid from the other side so the tech wouldn't get her face bitten off. I don't condone this practice one bit, but don't get the imagery wrong and assume it is poor peaceful citizens being seized and tranquilized for no apparent reason. Where we need to worry is when they start to get blase and begin using it as standard practice.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I've seen this first hand. They aren't always strapped down and handcuffed. In my case, it was a 17year old kid that was high on pcp - he was handcuffed in the back of a cruiser and the tech had to assist him through the door while an officer held the kid from the other side so the tech wouldn't get her face bitten off. I don't condone this practice one bit, but don't get the imagery wrong and assume it is poor peaceful citizens being seized and tranquilized for no apparent reason. Where we need to worry is when they start to get blase and begin using it as standard practice.

You make a good point. In some instances I'm sure the practice is very much needed. The article leads us to believe the practice was used when the circumstances didn't warrant the need. Although, I don't know the facts surrounding the claims in the article so it's hard for me to say and I have a hard time believing everything that comes out in the media. Either way the decision to administer this type of medication should be decided by medical professionals and not LE. MOO

 

[2Hope4]

Did you all read that article in the first post? It said Mannekin was the lead researcher for the use of ketamine! And that hospital doesn't see where the EMS did anything wrong. Heck probably was telling them to use it for their research...but that's just my opinion.

Once a patient is handcuffed, and strapped to a gurney, there isn't a need to sedate with ketamine. In one of the cases, a lady was drunk, sprayed with mace and was an asthma patient. She asked for her inhaler. Instead was given ketamine. She stopped breathing!! The report went on to say they were less than 10 mins from the hospital. Ok...so why was she given ketamine?

This is wrong. Why isn't a safer med being used if needed? I hope there's follow up to this.

 

[keeleydoll]

@2Hope4 ITA when I was in college and medicinal uses of ketamine for humans was discussed (I am not a medical professional but my professor was) it was only used by certified anesthesiologists for sedation during surgery.

Also, in my wild teen day I “babysat” a couple of friends who injected ketamine at a party and was horrified! They were pretty much immediately zonked on the floor and woke completely incoherent with absolutely no recollection of what had happened. The potential for detainees under such a drug especially without an anesthesiologist present is phenomenal.

 

[keeleydoll]

[QUOTE="keeleydoll, post: 14167191, member: 172853" The potential for detainees under such a drug especially without an anesthesiologist present is phenomenal.[/QUOTE]

Oops, I was distracted cooking dinner
Can’t edit **the potential for detainees to be abused or injured **

 

[Squirrel85]

Minnesota is Minnesota nice. We are passive aggressive.

I cannot even fathom what goes on in other places . I wonder what will be revealed in other places.

Passive-aggressive is right! The term "Minnesota Nice" was created by a transplant to describe the icy attitudes of Minnesotans.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Passive-aggressive is right! The term "Minnesota Nice" was created by a transplant to describe the icy attitudes of Minnesotans.

I’m sorry to hear you don’t have that loving feeling for Minnesotans.

 

[Squirrel85]

I’m sorry to hear you don’t have that loving feeling for Minnesotans.

I have met more rude ones than nice ones. I think it depends on the region since the Up North Minnesotans are WAY nicer than the ones from the cities. When I lived in Burnsville, and I would try to talk to someone, they would give me the stink eye.

 

[Wire154a]

Enough off-topic nattering about Minnesotans in general; the OP thinks they're great and has cousins in St. Paul. That's not the point of the thread. Abuse of power by cops is up for discussion.

 

[Wire154a]

Minneapolis Cops Secretly Used ‘Date Rape Drug’ on Suspects for Years: Report - theroot.com

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Perhaps this isn’t a racial issue. After all, the city of Minneapolis and Hennepin County might be secretly giving cat tranquilizer to suspects, but that doesn’t mean the victims are disproportionately black.​

Even though the city of Minneapolis is 18 percent black, 57 percent of police-reported uses of force were on black people. Black people made up 59 percent of “low-level arrests” by the Minneapolis Police Department. An American Civil Liberties Union report found that blacks in the city were seven to 16 times more likely to be arrested for low-level offenses than white Minneapolis residents. A recent report found that 46 of the 47 people arrested in marijuana stings by the MPD in 2018 were black.
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[human]

Minnesota nice. Little scandal, little corruption. Truly, if Minnesota does this, there is no way other states are not doing this.

Minnesota, I feel, is more open to revealing problems but not necessarily solving them.

Announce , acknowledge, and pretend we are nice. Finished

 

[villiscan]

Just a crazy story from a neighbor state!

 

[bluesneakers]

Just a crazy story from a neighbor state!

That's funny.