AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

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  • #381
Wow I missed that whole article about Karlie Living with a friend called Mel... (Paywalled??)
Interesting when you get new piece to a puzzle.
Just a couple of questions to ponder.
Did Karlie know someone else who has a wheelchair.
Did this other person have close contacts in the immediate area close to Marion Shopping centre.
Did Karlie have a wider cycle of acquaintances residing in Adelaide around the time she went missing.

I postulated a while back that, since HP had been at Hampstead Rehab, and since KPS probably visited her there, chances are good that HP and perhaps also KPS got to know other women in wheelchairs.
I think she surely must have had more friends in Adelaide than just HP, especially having lived there for a while.
 
  • #382
[QUOTE=Dinky Di...I just really don't see someone in Alice Springs allowing a debt to get that out of hand or handing over $25k to purchase drugs. Especially back in 2007/2008. Yeah maybe In the Eastern States or other states with higher populations, maybe more bikies and higher proportion of "users" but the territory was predominantly weed until the ice scourge hit a few years ago...[/QUOTE]

Although she lived in the Alice, she may have done more travelling in other areas. We just don't know at this point.
 
  • #383
Just had a thought (yeah, I know, amazing right? :) )

Let's say, hypothetically, an acquaintance of a future alleged murder victim had an accident while carrying a large amount of cash/drugs for a dealer. As police/emergency services would be swarming all over the place within a short amount of time, and they themselves were relatively uninjured, the mule/buyer decides to hide the drugs/money (which they know would be seen as highly incriminating evidence in any future trial) somewhere close to the crash site, or they could see it as an opportunity to retrieve money/drugs for themselves at a time to be determined.

Dealer doesn't care about circumstances and just wants cash/drugs returned, 'or else'. Unfortunately, by this time drugs have been consumed, sold on, or can't be retrieved, or mule/buyer has spent or wants to keep the cash for themselves. So they look for someone who is a convenient patsy; possibly someone that can be seen as relatively 'close' to them, who may have even gone to the crash site to retrieve items, been following them at the time of the accident in another car, or has retrieved items from the police on their behalf.

Mule/buyer convinces patsy to leave for another life, allegedly murders them and then proceeds to tie up any loose ends *sigh*. Then patsy et al's identities are used to defraud them (and others) to either start a moneymaking venture of their own, and/or to repay dealer (with considerable interest) and as a sweetener for themselves and their 'associates'. That is, until it looks like the jig is up and they scarper to safer climes.

As I said, just a thought and, yes, I even scare myself with just how devious I could be if I wasn't of good character or if I lacked empathy for anyone but myself.

Now...to the Blog Cave, Alfred...

I do like the way you think! :)
Creativity is so important and being able to think inventively is a vital skill in problem solving.
Such an interesting scenario.

I hadn't really thought too much about the connection with the accident, other than it being the cause of altered behaviours in the adults involved, but you may be right.
Maybe ...
 
  • #384
I think a drug debt, a drug courier (long distance trips), crossing a drug dealer are plausible scenarios regarding Karlie's disappearance/death.

The police haven't stepped in to correct the claims Karlie had a drug debt at the time of her death (as published in msm).

7 Nov

"MURDERED mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson had a $25,000 drug debt at the time of her death, police have confirmed.
MS Pearce-Stevenson, who was killed and dumped in NSW's Belanglo State Forest in 2008, allegedly fled Alice Springs with money meant to buy drugs, The Advertiser has reported."

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...599732150?sv=c0340a5da153bb756ba89141bca88f84
 
  • #385
Nasty or perhaps just very bitter? Someone left to keep things together, clean up the mess and all a bit sick of it all? Someone who perhaps thought Karlie should have been at home looking after her mum instead of them?

I wondered about resentment, but dismissed it because they (carer) now know she (Karlie) was dead long before both Mother and Grandmother.
 
  • #386
It's a fortunate thing that you use your powers for good and not evil. Think you need to start writing crime fiction.

Fascinating ideas. I've always thought the crash is the turning point - that sent all the s**t rolling down the hill. I still think <modsnip> the drag racing community is significant.


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The point where everything began to unravel?
I agree. It is significant.
 
  • #387
I was under the impression the carer may have approached the media. This story suggests he spoke to the Adelaide Advertiser. I'm sure Crime Stoppers didn't give them his details, so I assumed he approached the Advertiser but I suppose it's possible they found out his name and contacts by some other means
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...vestigators-told/story-fns0kb1g-1227599560928

They may well have contacted him first, but why did he tell them about his Crimestoppers call?
I definitely agree that Crimestoppers didn't tell the media, so he could have said he knew nothing.
 
  • #388
It's a fortunate thing that you use your powers for good and not evil. Think you need to start writing crime fiction.

Fascinating ideas. I've always thought the crash is the turning point - that sent all the s**t rolling down the hill. <modsnip> the drag racing community is significant.


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Yeah, lucky but I must say I can have some fleeting dark fantasies about how to get rid of someone when they keep rabbiting on about the parking in our cul-de-sac when I don't drive. Like whatever, dude.

Thomas Alva Edison said something like; "Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety nine percent determination/perspiration. " Sadly, I don't like to sweat.

Drugs and the drag racing community. Elementary, my dear Wolfie.
 
  • #389
I do like the way you think! :)
Creativity is so important and being able to think inventively is a vital skill in problem solving.
Such an interesting scenario.

I hadn't really thought too much about the connection with the accident, other than it being the cause of altered behaviours in the adults involved, but you may be right.
Maybe ...

Thanks chookie.

I may be right. Maybe; or maybe not. Like I said, just a thought.
 
  • #390
This sounds bout right to me.

The grandmothers carer sounds like he was privy to a lot of things about the family,
and about KPS. He was there when the gma opened the mail and was worried about KPS. May have been privy to the MisPers report and Facebook pleas for her to come home.

Sure, make a call to Crimestoppers if you feel you have info, but why go 'public' with the drug debt story. A bit of a nasty thing to do. It is quite damaging to Karlie and the family. Speaks of anger.

And he was quite definite about the amount too. $25k. Not owed a 'lot of money' or owed ' more than $20k' he gives a specific amount. $25k.

If Karlie did have a drug debt, maybe he was the person she had the debt to. After all, he was later caught with a 'commercial' quantity of cannabis in Aug 2010.


IMOO.

Interesting point about the amount being so specific.
Odd that he knew an exact figure, isn't it?
Good pick up!

I'm not sure he would be the one the money was owed to though, as he would probably have kept quiet if that was the case.
Why implicate himself in criminal activities?

You say "A bit of a nasty thing to do. It is quite damaging to Karlie and the family. Speaks of anger." and I think that may well be right.
Possibly he was angry that he was left to care for Grandma and spent a lot of time thinking "it should be Karlie home doing this".
Of course, once he knew Karlie had died in 2008 he knew why she hadn't been home, but maybe he resented her still anyway and thought that if she had not got involved in whatever mess she was in, her entire family would not have suffered so much pain and worry.
 
  • #391
IMO Karlie knew quite a few people in Adelaide, people who she could stay with from time to time. I am sure the police have tracked a lot of these people down and spoken to them. The unknown starts to occur after last confirmed sighting by police at Coober Pedy 08 Nov 2008. After this, her card is used 09/11/2008 at Coles Alice Springs. She is back in her home town.

Yet police have not stated they have any sighting of her in Alice Springs. Mmm just occurs to me, maybe what happened to her, happened a lot earlier than December. Maybe she was dead by the end of November. Maybe what happened to her even happened in Alice Springs. Just a thought

Ah! Yes. From memory (must find quote) the police have always described the Canberra sightings as "unconfirmed".

EDIT: ABC link saying Canberra sighting "unconfirmed" http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4337535.htm
 
  • #392
I do like the way you think! :)
Creativity is so important and being able to think inventively is a vital skill in problem solving.
Such an interesting scenario.

I hadn't really thought too much about the connection with the accident, other than it being the cause of altered behaviours in the adults involved, but you may be right.
Maybe ...

There was something really odd about the scene of that accident. I read it ages ago and will try to find it again before posting my thoughts.
 
  • #393
I think a drug debt, a drug courier (long distance trips), crossing a drug dealer are plausible scenarios regarding Karlie's disappearance/death.

The police haven't stepped in to correct the claims Karlie had a drug debt at the time of her death (as published in msm).

7 Nov

"MURDERED mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson had a $25,000 drug debt at the time of her death, police have confirmed.
MS Pearce-Stevenson, who was killed and dumped in NSW's Belanglo State Forest in 2008, allegedly fled Alice Springs with money meant to buy drugs, The Advertiser has reported."

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...599732150?sv=c0340a5da153bb756ba89141bca88f84

Thanks for finding that quote!
I knew I had read "police have confirmed" somewhere.
 
  • #394
Ah! Yes. From memory (must find quote) the police have always described the Canberra sightings as "unconfirmed".

EDIT: ABC link saying Canberra sighting "unconfirmed" http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4337535.htm

October 28

&#8220;We believe that Karlie and Khandalyce were killed in mid to late December 2008 and the last confirmed sighting was in Charnwood in Canberra,&#8221; Supt Bray said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...r-she-was-killed/story-fni6uo1m-1227584173144

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638
 
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  • #396
This may be something, or nothing.
Thinking about Bohemians imaginary scenario reminded me of something I had read.
I can't find it now but wonder if anyone else saw it and thought it odd.

It was regarding what first responders reported about the scene on the car accident in 2008.
I may be remembering this all wrong, and as I say, I can't find it again, but does anyone else remember the report that said something along the lines of DH emerging from the bushes and saying "they're dead"?

So frustrating not to be able to find it, but there are hundreds of links with that story now.
I'll keep trying.
 
  • #397
I thought I read that as the first person on the scene saying that to the second person who arrived on the scene.
This may be something, or nothing.
Thinking about Bohemians imaginary scenario reminded me of something I had read.
I can't find it now but wonder if anyone else saw it and thought it odd.

It was regarding what first responders reported about the scene on the car accident in 2008.
I may be remembering this all wrong, and as I say, I can't find it again, but does anyone else remember the report that said something along the lines of DH emerging from the bushes and saying "they're dead"?

So frustrating not to be able to find it, but there are hundreds of links with that story now.
I'll keep trying.
 
  • #398
Drat - paywalled.

This is the one >>> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sub...tory-e6frg6nf-1227598465326&memtype=anonymous

Will attempt to paraphrase the bit I am talking about.

The first on the scene of the accident was a truck driver (WL).
He told police he saw the Mitsubishi sedan on it's side.
Holdom approached him and said his children were dead and "pointed out towards the bush" - that's the odd bit.
WL found the children "on their sides near the car".

Why did Holdom point WL in seemingly the wrong direction?

Confusion? Grief? Something else?
 
  • #399
I thought I read that as the first person on the scene saying that to the second person who arrived on the scene.

Any idea where you read it, Karo?
It is really difficult finding exactly what you read now, isn't it?
 
  • #400
MOD ALERT: Back on topic please. This thread is not about the car accident. That is all done and dusted and was dealt with by the police years ago.
 
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