AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

[Wexford]

it wont be long before Hazel's barrister flings out a few 'friends' with tales of the wonderfulness of H, her many hours per week of volunteering at the local school, in a wheelchair, with the cranky carer forging thru the crowded forecourt to get Haze right up there into the tuckshop, where her sandwiches are fought over tooth and nail by the kiddies, ... ..

These anonymous 'friends' are all folks who, eventually, will be called up for 'character evidence' at any trial, probably in the sentencing phase, this is just a practice run for that star turn.. . will this one be ok?? or that??...

Probably egg sandwiches...sorry couldn't help myself........

 

[Wexford]

There seems to have been a multitude of different identities; perhaps there were also a number of different personas.

Im thinking that this is almost possible. Serious trauma? Drug use? Could account for personality changes I suppose. No doubt how a good lawyer will plead anyway.

 

[Freddo Frog]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ly-led-ex-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227614424403

This Australian article about the friend describing poor ol' Holdom isn't behind a paywall.

 

[Wozzie]

The man who made the Crimestopper's report has spoken exclusively to NT News. He said threats had been made to kill Ms. Pearce-Stevenson and a bounty of up to $5000 was offered for information on her whereabouts.

This informant had moved in with Karlie's 80 year old grandmother to look after her. He and the grandmother were both charged with possession of cannabis in August 2010.

This bloke's story just gets better with each reporting! If, as he says, death threats were made to Karlie, why didn't he go to the police and report it at the time? Why wait for years and then contact Crimestoppers and also speak exclusively to a newspaper?

He also dumped the dirt on Karlie's grandmother. IMO all of the cannibis belonged to the him. He persuaded her to take the rap for some of it to lessen his sentence. Karlie and her grandmother are no longer here to defend themselves. Very convenient for the informant IMO.

I personally don't believe a word of what this informant has to say but I would love to know the reason why he's talking now.

http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdis...icle1070205199

Still doesn't actually say anywhere whether these threats and the bounty came before or after her death... do we know for certain she had absconded with the money or was that just the common held belief after she went missing? Do we know if she had fled at this stage or had she already been killed?

 

[Makara]

Still doesn't actually say anywhere whether these threats and the bounty came before or after her death... do we know for certain she had absconded with the money or was that just the common held belief after she went missing? Do we know if she had fled at this stage or had she already been killed?

I suppose the information from the informant could be interpreted any number of ways and thus lead to further questions. There just seems to be something very suss about this guy IMO. It's been reported that police are looking into his allegations to Crimestoppers. If his information was useful or detrimental to the investigation in any way, I'm sure the police would have told him to zip it. Just my opinion but I think this guy has told his story to Crimestoppers and when he didn't get the reaction he wanted he's given or sold his story to MSM.

 

[Bohemian]

Im thinking that this is almost possible. Serious trauma? Drug use? Could account for personality changes I suppose. No doubt how a good lawyer will plead anyway.

Trauma but way, way back or, yes, heavy drug use. If that particular plea is valid; it should be made in the interests of justice. Nevertheless, but it is no excuse and society must be protected from him for the term of his natural life.

All IMO.

 

[Bohemian]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ly-led-ex-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227614424403

This Australian article about the friend describing poor ol' Holdom isn't behind a paywall.

'Tisn't for me but thanks for posting the link, Freddo.

 

[Theodora]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ly-led-ex-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227614424403

This Australian article about the friend describing poor ol' Holdom isn't behind a paywall.

It is for me. It depends how many articles from that publication you've opened in a certain period - unless you clear your cookies.

 

[1968]

The ex friend does not sound like an ex friend. More like a current friend. Or an ex lover who still holds a candle. Wonder if it is one of the three people who came to court in support of him that first day?
Paint DH as some kind of dim witted limp wristed nancy boy, wringing his hands n helpless indecision while some sinister controlling overlord prods him into committing heinous acts.
People choose to see what they want to see in others, and some people can't admit when they get it wrong, so insist that the person could not have possibly done those things, that everyone has it wrong, because they know better.

 

[Panda]

I think the ex-friend sounds female too.
I also think it is rather odd to be described as an "ex-friend".
Makes it sound like something occurred that tore the friendship apart, as opposed to "friend who hadn't seen him in years", which would be a better phrase to use if that was the case.

Or someone who now doesn't want to be associated with someone who's been charged with murder.

 

[Makara]

The ex friend does not sound like an ex friend. More like a current friend. Or an ex lover who still holds a candle. Wonder if it is one of the three people who came to court in support of him that first day?
Paint DH as some kind of dim witted limp wristed nancy boy, wringing his hands n helpless indecision while some sinister controlling overlord prods him into committing heinous acts.
People choose to see what they want to see in others, and some people can't admit when they get it wrong, so insist that the person could not have possibly done those things, that everyone has it wrong, because they know better.

Good thinking '68. I forgot about his supporters at court.

 

[JaneSA]

Still doesn't actually say anywhere whether these threats and the bounty came before or after her death... do we know for certain she had absconded with the money or was that just the common held belief after she went missing? Do we know if she had fled at this stage or had she already been killed?

It puts the whole thing in a new light IMO.
We don't know how she amassed a $25k debt, but according to the family friend, the carer of Grandmother, her reason for "being on the run" (quote from NT News article) was he bounty, not because she had the $25k and was taking it.
Personally, I do think the carer is still a close family friend. I think with both Connie and Colleen dead, he is the only one left who knows the situation and knows why Colleen continued to pay money into Karlie's account and quashed the missing persons report.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Family members and relatives are classed as 'carers' if their duties are declared and they are being paid for them by Centrelink..... Just sayin!

 

[crabstick]

Do you have the article that states it was a drug debt prior Jane, sorry. However, there appears some conflicting reporting on this, albeit, behind pay-walls :banghead::banghead: Paying for bad reporting, false information :banghead::banghead:

Was the drug debt accrued prior, or was the $25000 a debt accrued after doing the runner? That is the question.

MS Pearce-Stevenson, who was killed and dumped in NSW's Belanglo State Forest in 2008, allegedly fled Alice Springs with money meant to buy drugs, The Advertiser has reported.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/murdered-mother-had-drug-debts/story-fnjbnvyj-1227599732150

It puts the whole thing in a new light IMO.
We don't know how she amassed a $25k debt, but according to the family friend, the carer of Grandmother, her reason for "being on the run" (quote from NT News article) was he bounty, not because she had the $25k and was taking it.

 

[JaneSA]

it wont be long before Hazel's barrister flings out a few 'friends' with tales of the wonderfulness of H, her many hours per week of volunteering at the local school, in a wheelchair, with the cranky carer forging thru the crowded forecourt to get Haze right up there into the tuckshop, where her sandwiches are fought over tooth and nail by the kiddies, ... ..

These anonymous 'friends' are all folks who, eventually, will be called up for 'character evidence' at any trial, probably in the sentencing phase, this is just a practice run for that star turn.. . will this one be ok?? or that??...

I don't know, Trooper, but the more time that goes by without HP being charged with anything, the more convinced I am that her own role is peripheral to the case.
I see her as the close friend who tried her best to help Karlie get away and to hide.
I think she was the original Crimestoppers informant who wondered if the child's remains at Wynarka could be Khandalyce.
I do believe she may have a acted to help Karlie lay a false trail to avoid whoever was after her, with account withdrawals, text messages and social media photos etc, but if she was doing these things at Karlie's behest, that would explain why there are still to date, no charges against her.
I'm not willing to think of her, her actions or her behaviour as evil because we simply do not know what her story is.
I am also not convinced Karlie was in a "relationship" other than friendship with DH.
DH was her friend's partner and I wonder if she turned to him for help, which he proved to be unable to give.
I suppose I just can't see Karlie betraying her friend in such a nasty way.
There are just so many elements to this case, but there must be a solution where all the elements make sense..

 

[JaneSA]

Do you have the article that states it was a drug debt prior Jane, sorry. However, there appears some conflicting reporting on this, albeit, behind pay-walls :banghead::banghead: Paying for bad reporting, false information :banghead::banghead:

MS Pearce-Stevenson, who was killed and dumped in NSW's Belanglo State Forest in 2008, allegedly fled Alice Springs with money meant to buy drugs, The Advertiser has reported.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/murdered-mother-had-drug-debts/story-fnjbnvyj-1227599732150

It is the Advertiser story vs the NT News story.
The Advertiser didn't mention the $5k bounty, just the drug debt, but the sister paper NT News did.

Will provide the 2 links when home - on mobile now.

 

[crabstick]

Thanks Jane.
I do believe some of our assumptions have been made based on poor reporting, or misleading reports.

When you have conflicting information, its little wonder. The above example of how simple it is to jump to assumption.

However, its a world full of convincing lies. What may have appeared assistance may well have been a tour de death.

Without correct information, we are left guessing. It could be either way.

It is the Advertiser story vs the NT News story.
The Advertiser didn't mention the $5k bounty, just the drug debt, but the sister paper NT News did.
Will provide the 2 links when home - on mobile now.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Do you have the article that states it was a drug debt prior Jane, sorry. However, there appears some conflicting reporting on this, albeit, behind pay-walls :banghead::banghead: Paying for bad reporting, false information :banghead::banghead:

Was the drug debt accrued prior, or was the $25000 a debt accrued after doing the runner? That is the question.

Here's the Advertiser's version (no bounty)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r-had-drug-debts/story-fn3dxiwe-1227599732150

MS Pearce-Stevenson, who was killed and dumped in NSW's Belanglo State Forest in 2008, allegedly fled Alice Springs with money meant to buy drugs, The Advertiser has reported.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/murdered-mother-had-drug-debts/story-fnjbnvyj-1227599732150

Here's the bounty version from the NT News
http://www.pressreader.com/australia/nt-news/20151107/282196534832497/TextView

 

[Freddo Frog]

It is for me. It depends how many articles from that publication you've opened in a certain period - unless you clear your cookies.

I didn't know that it depends on how many articles you read, thanks. I think I only tried to open the ones posted that were paywalled then I copy and pasted the article title and went through various links that popped up with no luck until the one I posted.

'Tisn't for me but thanks for posting the link, Freddo.

That's okay. I hate paywalled articles

 

[Trooper]

I don't know, Trooper, but the more time that goes by without HP being charged with anything, the more convinced I am that her own role is peripheral to the case.
I see her as the close friend who tried her best to help Karlie get away and to hide.
I think she was the original Crimestoppers informant who wondered if the child's remains at Wynarka could be Khandalyce.
I do believe she may have a acted to help Karlie lay a false trail to avoid whoever was after her, with account withdrawals, text messages and social media photos etc, but if she was doing these things at Karlie's behest, that would explain why there are still to date, no charges against her.
I'm not willing to think of her, her actions or her behaviour as evil because we simply do not know what her story is.
I am also not convinced Karlie was in a "relationship" other than friendship with DH.
DH was her friend's partner and I wonder if she turned to him for help, which he proved to be unable to give.
I suppose I just can't see Karlie betraying her friend in such a nasty way.
There are just so many elements to this case, but there must be a solution where all the elements make sense..

'to help Karlie get away and hide'.....this is assuming the drug dependant 'carer' of Connie is on the money, which would be odd, him /her being the only one with this story, which, suddenly, they decide to tell the Advertiser.... this is also assuming that in a town of 26,000 people, Karlie is allowed to run up a $25,000 debt, no worries........I'm not buying it.

'to help Karlie lay a false trail'.... again, this has to assume the 'carer' of Connie has the story.

'think she was the original crimestoppers informant.. now , this is a huge huge leap... and if this is so, why on earth would she need a high priced barrister?? She should have been escorted to the police offices in cotton wool, with lunch provided. .. but it certainly didn't seem that way, as her last session with the detectives resulted in her being put 'under caution'....

As for the stuff you find convincing re 'relationships' and all that, that's a matter of individual opinion. God alone knows what Connie's Carer is going to come up with in the next few weeks on that subject, could be anything.