AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

[Bohemian]

Cool, so her head wasnt stomped on more than likely. The fact the death was barbaric could be psycho arsehole, or revenge, send a message.

BBM

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Don't quote me on the ribs, crabby. I said IIRC. It's just stuck with me because I asked the same question of someone else and remember them telling me not identifying features but 'stomping' injuries were centered around Karlie's chest.

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[Bohemian]

From memory, MSM said she was sent to live with GM as a teen.
Pretty sure they used the term "sent to live with" which I thought at the time was odd.

Didn't say early or late teens? Karlie was 18 when Khandalyce was born; yes? Pregnant at 17-early 18. She was a teen when Khandalyce was a baby. Didn't turn 20 until 2008. Mail is only clue I have. Pregnancy or relationship with Ashley whatever his name is could have been the catalyst.

 

[plongi]

Kids cry and need attention.

hard to see Khandalyce as a 'provocation'....

 

[JaneSA]

Superintendent Bray - asked owners of motels, hotels and caravan parks to check their records to see if the mother and daughter stayed at their business anytime since 2006.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/family-of-murder-victim-karlie-stevenson-and-daughter-appeal/6877280

I wonder if they have a clearer picture yet, but it seems like the police weren't initially sure where she was living.

 

[Bohemian]

Kids cry and need attention.

Exactly. Can't imagine that would be easy to deal with for either of the current known players.

 

[Bohemian]

Superintendent Bray - asked owners of motels, hotels and caravan parks to check their records to see if the mother and daughter stayed at their business anytime since 2006.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/family-of-murder-victim-karlie-stevenson-and-daughter-appeal/6877280

I wonder if they have a clearer picture yet, but it seems like the police weren't initially sure where she was living.

Jane can you http://.... the link please?

 

[sosocurious]

Didn't police say the other day that they were trying to establish where she lived between those years. I will find the link.

Her movements between 2006 and 2008 have been closely studied by police as part of an interstate double-murder investigation that has gripped Australia.
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...e/news-story/b7161105e0f5fb2810716cc9ab19677d

Ms Pearce-Stevenson had lived with Mrs Duffy as a young teenager and also shortly before the Crime Stoppers informant moved in with the elderly woman to look after her.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

 

[Wolfinator]

Exactly. Can't imagine that would be easy to deal with for either of the current known players.

I think it goes beyond a crying child.
I have always had a horrible feeling that Kandles was trafficked. I am sure that the police have been trawling the dark webs to try and find a trace of her.


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[Trooper]

Unless the killing of Karlie was directly tied to Kandalyce. Forget the drug debt/bounty red herring and go back to following the real money.

Horrible to say it but :

1 how much is a trafficked blonde 2 year old girl worth? Add a lot of zeros.

2 Karlie was also worth at least $90k that we know of!



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too hideous, Wolf, but not to be discarded because of that.. I am still not sure just who was the target, and who was collateral in these two murders.. it could as well be one, ( Karlie) as the other ( Khandalyce) at any given time. ..

At first glance the traditional victim, Karlie, stands out, she's an adult, she can give witness statements, she can be a damn nuisance , she may be stubborn and uncooperative etc... get the mother out of the road for access to the child.. not unheard of, and not unknown. The time lapse between the murders is so significant and so mysterious at this point in time.

Holdom, for example,.. knew that by murdering Karlie, which he is currently charged with doing, he would be leaving Khandalyce motherless and fatherless at some location from that immediate point on. Apart from the emotional cost to Khandalyce of being made an orphan, from Holdom's point of view, he is now in loco parentis.. he is the one last seen with both, and now just with one. A child. He has the say so over Khandalyce, .. naturally,. he doesn't report Karlie as missing, or anything like that. Which, technically she is, missing , that is, but not in the sense that Holdom would wish to be known to police.

So.. he has to keep up with a new plan, or the original plan. Perhaps they were both meant to be killed together.. Certainly, that would have been more efficient. Far less risky,...

 

[JaneSA]

Jane can you http://.... the link please?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...-karlie-stevenson-and-daughter-appeal/6877280

I am having a lot of trouble with this forum today. See if that works.

 

[Trooper]

Kids cry and need attention.

I wonder if Holdom had some process in mind about Khandalyce when he murdered Karlie.. it seems such an outrageous thing to do , on the surface of things.. murder the mother and leave the child motherless and fatherless 1000's of miles from her extended family.. He must surely have had some 'arrangement' , already in place for Khandalyce, because a motherless child/baby is just the kind of attention grabbing thing every murderer would wish to avoid, at all costs. . As you point out, Plong.. crying and attention needing.. all of this is so inconvenient.

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder if Holdom had some process in mind about Khandalyce when he murdered Karlie.. it seems such an outrageous thing to do , on the surface of things.. murder the mother and leave the child motherless and fatherless 1000's of miles from her extended family.. He must surely have had some 'arrangement' , already in place for Khandalyce, because a motherless child/baby is just the kind of attention grabbing thing every murderer would wish to avoid, at all costs. . As you point out, Plong.. crying and attention needing.. all of this is so inconvenient.

Thought about that. Then didn't. Still can't.

 

[Trooper]

Thought about that. Then didn't. Still can't.

wish I hadn't .......

 

[CSIDreamer]

I wonder if Holdom had some process in mind about Khandalyce when he murdered Karlie.. it seems such an outrageous thing to do , on the surface of things.. murder the mother and leave the child motherless and fatherless 1000's of miles from her extended family.. He must surely have had some 'arrangement' , already in place for Khandalyce, because a motherless child/baby is just the kind of attention grabbing thing every murderer would wish to avoid, at all costs. . As you point out, Plong.. crying and attention needing.. all of this is so inconvenient.

I've wondered numerous times if Khandalyce was a "gift", so to speak, to replace HP's deceased child(ren)? Get Karlie out of the way, and now you have a young child for someone to raise. Maybe the "gift" wasn't so well received?

 

[plongi]

I have thought this.
And if not a gift then was just a result of her mother being murdered and yeh not really going to replace your own flesh and blood.

I've wondered numerous times if Khandalyce was a "gift", so to speak, to replace HP's deceased child(ren)? Get Karlie out of the way, and now you have a young child for someone to raise. Maybe the "gift" wasn't so well received?

 

[plongi]

He may not have thought far enough ahead and then unfortunately she was just a burden..

I wonder if Holdom had some process in mind about Khandalyce when he murdered Karlie.. it seems such an outrageous thing to do , on the surface of things.. murder the mother and leave the child motherless and fatherless 1000's of miles from her extended family.. He must surely have had some 'arrangement' , already in place for Khandalyce, because a motherless child/baby is just the kind of attention grabbing thing every murderer would wish to avoid, at all costs. . As you point out, Plong.. crying and attention needing.. all of this is so inconvenient.

 

[Trooper]

I've wondered numerous times if Khandalyce was a "gift", so to speak, to replace HP's deceased child(ren)? Get Karlie out of the way, and now you have a young child for someone to raise. Maybe the "gift" wasn't so well received?

Holdom doesn't seem to have had a good track record with women, and the understanding of them, plus, I don't think he understands the real world , the larger world with all it's peripheral conundrums very well, at all.. his current status, and his current age doesn't portray a man with a handle on things.. on anything, really..

That kind of thinking isn't as far fetched as it might seem, ... it's the terrible violence that police state was a factor in Khandalyces death that casts doubt on this theory for me, though.... There is something deeply vengeful about it..

 

[plongi]

Hello and correct me if I am dreaming.
A basic trail when read seems to fit a simple scenario.

Car crash, death of children, partner crippled, drugs of a synthetic type .. hooks up with friend of partner whilst partner is recovering, friend viciously killed, friends child viciously killed, identity fraud, gets back together with crippled partner, that relationship ends, fraud runs out. Few years later DH found with dead woman's card.

Maybe it is that simple. Its all there, ... where and when and maybe a why needs to be established to prove beyond doubt.
When you add synthetic drug abuse to a scenario like this .. anything is possible.
Reasons for the murder of Karlie .. Just in the way .. Pregnant .. Wanted out .. Responsible for humiliation ..
To be stomped on [if that is true] is pure hateful revenge/payback/elimination/personal statement. You want something eliminated or stopped .. like you might stomp on a fire that starts to get out of control. Gangs use it .. inmates of prison use it .. The way some one is killed speaks lots of the killer and the reasons.

I wont go into her daughters death .. Just too disturbing to write about here.

All these extra stories coming out should fall on deaf ears. It doesn't change the hard wired known facts so far. All it can do is put doubt or dis someones character which isn't the issue here. Bottom line murder is socially unacceptable.

 

[Bohemian]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...-karlie-stevenson-and-daughter-appeal/6877280

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Yup. Thanks, Jane.

'Superintendent Bray said Karlie left Alice Springs in 2008 with her daughter to travel and find work.

Police believe they also travelled to Darwin, Adelaide and throughout the Murray and Riverland districts.

"Karlie and Khandalyce travelled extensively from Darwin through central Australia, Adelaide, probably through Victoria, Canberra and the Riverland," Superintendent Bray said.

"So what we need is friends and associates to come forward."

He asked owners of motels, hotels and caravan parks to check their records to see if the mother and daughter stayed at their business anytime since 2006.'

Says they 'left' The Alice in 2008. Permanently? Temporarily?

Before that Karlie and Khandalyce traveled from 2006-2008? On the road before(?), since(?) Khandalyce was born? Who with? Not with a tiny baby and working surely?

Oh cr*p! Here we go again. Fruit picking, drag racing, etc. Was that question ever settled?

Not a well constructed article; chronologically. MSM is starting to give me the pip!

 

[plongi]

I like your thinking. Good summary of him and other people who live lifestyles like this. Lots of screaming arguing is normal behavior. I grew up around stuff like this and the horror is very easy as the consequences are not really felt. Sociopaths.

Holdom doesn't seem to have had a good track record with women, and the understanding of them, plus, I don't think he understands the real world , the larger world with all it's peripheral conundrums very well, at all.. his current status, and his current age doesn't portray a man with a handle on things.. on anything, really..

That kind of thinking isn't as far fetched as it might seem, ... it's the terrible violence that police state was a factor in Khandalyces death that casts doubt on this theory for me, though.... There is something deeply vengeful about it..