AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

[Bohemian]

I think it goes beyond a crying child.
I have always had a horrible feeling that Kandles was trafficked. I am sure that the police have been trawling the dark webs to try and find a trace of her.


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Yes, this has been raised before. Again; thought about it, then didn't, don't want to.

 

[Bohemian]

Her movements between 2006 and 2008 have been closely studied by police as part of an interstate double-murder investigation that has gripped Australia.
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...e/news-story/b7161105e0f5fb2810716cc9ab19677d

Ms Pearce-Stevenson had lived with Mrs Duffy as a young teenager and also shortly before the Crime Stoppers informant moved in with the elderly woman to look after her.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

Ta soso. Can always rely on you

 

[plongi]

In the simplest scenario the crying etc would be a hassle but yeh some darker use for her and when she is of no use any more. gone. Although I dont think the pedophile direction would need her extensive wardrobe.

I think it goes beyond a crying child.
I have always had a horrible feeling that Kandles was trafficked. I am sure that the police have been trawling the dark webs to try and find a trace of her.


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[Trooper]

I like your thinking. Good summary of him and other people who live lifestyles like this. Lots of screaming arguing is normal behavior. I grew up around stuff like this and the horror is very easy as the consequences are not really felt. Sociopaths.

An absence of logic is the key attribute of lives like this, and the lives they live have this total absence at the very heart of every day, every hour.. looking for logic in these two murders should be the last thing to be doing. While Karlie may at first glance look like the usual victim, by merely being a woman in the wrong place at the wrong time, the complete absence of logic in regard to Khandalyce ( in the manner of her death and subsequent burial ,if it can be called that ) slaps all thoughts of logic in the face.

I pick up from the various police officers who have spoken publicly about these murders the gobsmacking weirdness and unspeakable destructiveness inherent in the crime. ...

 

[Bohemian]

too hideous, Wolf, but not to be discarded because of that.. I am still not sure just who was the target, and who was collateral in these two murders.. it could as well be one, ( Karlie) as the other ( Khandalyce) at any given time. ..

At first glance the traditional victim, Karlie, stands out, she's an adult, she can give witness statements, she can be a damn nuisance , she may be stubborn and uncooperative etc... get the mother out of the road for access to the child.. not unheard of, and not unknown. The time lapse between the murders is so significant and so mysterious at this point in time.

Holdom, for example,.. knew that by murdering Karlie, which he is currently charged with doing, he would be leaving Khandalyce motherless and fatherless at some location from that immediate point on. Apart from the emotional cost to Khandalyce of being made an orphan, from Holdom's point of view, he is now in loco parentis.. he is the one last seen with both, and now just with one. A child. He has the say so over Khandalyce, .. naturally,. he doesn't report Karlie as missing, or anything like that. Which, technically she is, missing , that is, but not in the sense that Holdom would wish to be known to police.

So.. he has to keep up with a new plan, or the original plan. Perhaps they were both meant to be killed together.. Certainly, that would have been more efficient. Far less risky,...

Uh huh uh huh...

 

[Bohemian]

I've wondered numerous times if Khandalyce was a "gift", so to speak, to replace HP's deceased child(ren)? Get Karlie out of the way, and now you have a young child for someone to raise. Maybe the "gift" wasn't so well received?

Yes but 'Eek!'

 

[JaneSA]

Hello and correct me if I am dreaming.A basic trail when read seems to fit a simple scenario.Car crash, death of children, partner crippled, drugs of a synthetic type .. hooks up with friend of partner whilst partner is recovering, friend viciously killed, friends child viciously killed, identity fraud, gets back together with crippled partner, that relationship ends, fraud runs out. Few years later DH found with dead woman's card. Maybe it is that simple. Its all there, ... where and when and maybe a why needs to be established to prove beyond doubt.When you add synthetic drug abuse to a scenario like this .. anything is possible.Reasons for the murder of Karlie .. Just in the way .. Pregnant .. Wanted out .. Responsible for humiliation .. To be stomped on [if that is true] is pure hateful revenge/payback/elimination/personal statement. You want something eliminated or stopped .. like you might stomp on a fire that starts to get out of control. Gangs use it .. inmates of prison use it .. The way some one is killed speaks lots of the killer and the reasons.I wont go into her daughters death .. Just too disturbing to write about here.All these extra stories coming out should fall on deaf ears. It doesn't change the hard wired known facts so far. All it can do is put doubt or dis someones character which isn't the issue here. Bottom line murder is socially unacceptable.

I still feel we need a motive.Lots of relationships break down every day but murder is an uncommon solution.

 

[plongi]

So really its how it should be for them. The ilogical is the logic.

An absence of logic is the key attribute of lives like this, and the lives they live have this total absence at the very heart of every day, every hour.. looking for logic in these two murders should be the last thing to be doing. While Karlie may at first glance look like the usual victim, by merely being a woman in the wrong place at the wrong time, the complete absence of logic in regard to Khandalyce ( in the manner of her death and subsequent burial ,if it can be called that ) slaps all thoughts of logic in the face.

I pick up from the various police officers who have spoken publicly about these murders the gobsmacking weirdness and unspeakable destructiveness inherent in the crime. ...

 

[Trooper]

So really its how it should be for them. The ilogical is the logic.

precisely..... the kind of illogic that has the person currently charged with her murder to have, in his possession, the victims invalid and useless keycard, from a bank that is no longer in existence..

couldn't bear to throw it away? found a use for it, that defies my imagination, but not his? likes the colour and shape of it? likes to look at it, fondle it?

*shrug* .. illogical.

 

[plongi]

People have done incredibly terrible things too each other on drugs or coming off drugs. But yeh it would make more sense to know the reason.

I still feel we need a motive.Lots of relationships break down every day but murder is an uncommon solution.

 

[Trooper]

People have done incredibly terrible things too each other on drugs or coming off drugs. But yeh it would make more sense to know the reason.

it's highly possible that the 'motive' makes perfect sense to Holdom... .. on the other hand, it is just as likely that he himself has no idea. Cant even explain it to himself.. ( I think this last one a remote chance, but even so, it cant be rejected )...

What stumps me, is how that point of murderous rage was got to, twice , on two different people, one an adult, one a baby, with a time lapse in between, at two different locations ( thanks to the person who reminded me of that ) .

Assuming.. (just for today) that he used some mind altering element to get to the rage enough to kill Karlie.. and to subsequently bury her. ( two different activities at two different times )

And then he has to get to that point again to murder Khandalyce... He already knows he can kill. Successfully and undetected, , it would appear, so when it comes to Khandalyce he is ahead of the game, it isn't unknown territory, it is very recent and familiar.

So he lets loose... or someone else does? someone else who , also, can achieve that particular pitch of rage right on cue.

 

[Wolfinator]

precisely..... the kind of illogic that has the person currently charged with her murder to have, in his possession, the victims invalid and useless keycard, from a bank that is no longer in existence..

couldn't bear to throw it away? found a use for it, that defies my imagination, but not his? likes the colour and shape of it? likes to look at it, fondle it?

*shrug* .. illogical.

Absolutely. Using a rational mind to attempt to reconcile irrational acts is flawed. Using the "what would a reasonable human" do/act on this situation is totally useless.
You can't use your own terms of reference. You also can't ignore the "unthinkable" violence side of the equation and just focus on the more palatable threads.

This is a nightmare and monsters do walk amongst us. Hats off to LE for braving this world.


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[Bohemian]

He may not have thought far enough ahead and then unfortunately she was just a burden..

Yup, a loose end in his warped mind. This thought makes me furious.

 

[Wolfinator]

it's highly possible that the 'motive' makes perfect sense to Holdom... .. on the other hand, it is just as likely that he himself has no idea. Cant even explain it to himself.. ( I think this last one a remote chance, but even so, it cant be rejected )...

What stumps me, is how that point of murderous rage was got to, twice , on two different people, one an adult, one a baby, with a time lapse in between, at two different locations ( thanks to the person who reminded me of that ) .

Assuming.. (just for today) that he used some mind altering element to get to the rage enough to kill Karlie.. and to subsequently bury her. ( two different activities at two different times )

And then he has to get to that point again to murder Khandalyce... He already knows he can kill. Successfully and undetected, , it would appear, so when it comes to Khandalyce he is ahead of the game, it isn't unknown territory, it is very recent and familiar.

So he lets loose... or someone else does? someone else who , also, can achieve that particular pitch of rage right on cue.

Horrific violence doesn't always equal rage or a split second event/snap moment. It can be systematic, inflicted over a long period, slow etc and linked to other base emotions.


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[Bohemian]

Holdom doesn't seem to have had a good track record with women, and the understanding of them, plus, I don't think he understands the real world , the larger world with all it's peripheral conundrums very well, at all.. his current status, and his current age doesn't portray a man with a handle on things.. on anything, really..

That kind of thinking isn't as far fetched as it might seem, ... it's the terrible violence that police state was a factor in Khandalyces death that casts doubt on this theory for me, though.... There is something deeply vengeful about it..

Knew enough about women to be able to manipulate them while playing Mr Sweetness and Light?

Intelligent enough to allegedly commit fraud and make sure Mum and bub weren't found, DNA matched and IDd for years.

Smart but immature emotionally/psychologically, lack of character/empathy.

Deeply vengeful or in an altered state of mind?

 

[Trooper]

Knew enough about women to be able to manipulate them while playing them.

Intelligent enough to allegedly commit fraud and make sure Mum and bub weren't found, DNA matched and IDd for years.

Smart but immature emotionally/psychologically, lack if character/empathy.

Deeply vengeful or in an altered state of mind?

ha...Ive thought about the IQ needed to pull this stunt off.. I honestly think that it was just plain good luck for Holdom plus the coolest nerve for his accomplice, the female impersonator.. Once that impersonation worked, it was plain sailing. .. no one is looking for Karlie, and Khandalyce, in any official capacity..

What good luck they had, . and is it reasonable to lay some of out on Government organisations? I think it is. Just.

Just because someone rings home, should it be taken as gospel that it is in fact that missing person on the other end of the phone?? did the police ring Karlie's number?? ( I don't know, if they did, my apologies ) .. should her phone have been triangulised and the location of that phone tracked, then ??

Should someone have expected to have Karlie and Khandalyce come into Centrelink earlier? should fingerprints, or photo's of recipients be on file? I think , yes.. without compromising civil liberties, I don't think it is an imposition.

They, and one has to include the female phone impersonator were just plain lucky.. . Murderers have the same luck as anyone else.. the rain falls on them, and the sun shines on them as it does on you and me..

 

[Bohemian]

An absence of logic is the key attribute of lives like this, and the lives they live have this total absence at the very heart of every day, every hour.. looking for logic in these two murders should be the last thing to be doing. While Karlie may at first glance look like the usual victim, by merely being a woman in the wrong place at the wrong time, the complete absence of logic in regard to Khandalyce ( in the manner of her death and subsequent burial ,if it can be called that ) slaps all thoughts of logic in the face.

I pick up from the various police officers who have spoken publicly about these murders the gobsmacking weirdness and unspeakable destructiveness inherent in the crime. ...

Karlie was his 'type': young. Ex-partner had just had accident and crippled. Also mid-20s. Karlie and his ex were 'friends'. IMO saw Karlie coming from a mile away. 20, pretty, a 'firecracker', independent, adventurous. Former relationship a tragic wreck; literally.

One result was a impetuous act that left a person dead; next one planned, I think.

Position of Karlie's remains 'tucked behind a log' IIRC is important. It suggests shame/panic about her death. Needs the act to be hidden so she can disappear. Only reminder, little Khandalyce.

 

[Bohemian]

ha...Ive thought about the IQ needed to pull this stunt off.. I honestly think that it was just plain good luck for Holdom plus the coolest nerve for his accomplice, the female impersonator.. Once that impersonation worked, it was plain sailing. .. no one is looking for Karlie, and Khandalyce, in any official capacity..

What good luck they had, . and is it reasonable to lay some of out on Government organisations? I think it is. Just.

Just because someone rings home, should it be taken as gospel that it is in fact that missing person on the other end of the phone?? did the police ring Karlie's number?? ( I don't know, if they did, my apologies ) .. should her phone have been triangulised and the location of that phone tracked, then ??

Should someone have expected to have Karlie and Khandalyce come into Centrelink earlier? should fingerprints, or photo's of recipients be on file? I think , yes.. without compromising civil liberties, I don't think it is an imposition.

They, and one has to include the female phone impersonator were just plain lucky.. . Murderers have the same luck as anyone else.. the rain falls on them, and the sun shines on them as it does on you and me..

If so Troop, DJH et al must be the luckiest buggers in Australia. All the dominoes fell perfectly for 2+ years re alleged fraud and 2-7 years for alleged murders. I want their tips for the Melbourne Cup next year if they let the chips fall where they may and had a winning streak for that long.

 

[Trooper]

If so Troop, DJH et al must be the luckiest buggers in Australia. All the dominoes fell perfectly for 2+ years re alleged fraud and 2-7 years for alleged murders. I want their tips for the Melbourne Cup next year if they let the chips fall where they may and had a winning streak for that long.

Their luck ran out when someone, some mystery person, ( I discount the 60 yr old seen wandering around Wynarka with a suitcase many years previously) decided ( for what possible reason? ) to shift that suitcase from where it had been successfully hidden for so many years, undisturbed, and place it in plain view on a well used road. . Illogical, or what? .....

there are quite a few murders in Australia, and world wide, where the murderer has been and still is extremely lucky. ... not every killing is solved... not every killing is discovered....

 

[Bohemian]

In the simplest scenario the crying etc would be a hassle but yeh some darker use for her and when she is of no use any more. gone. Although I dont think the pedophile direction would need her extensive wardrobe.

If that was Khandalyce's fate she wouldn't have been found at all and definitely not with any personal possessions. Including them may have been of necessity but also may have been 'caring'.

I think poor little Khandalyce was killed, her remains hidden in a property where her alleged killer knew they would be safe. Somehow they became separated from them and someone else found them, suitcase and clothes close by and took them to the bush; no unnecessary contact with SAPOL.

Or simply all callously thrown away without thought.