AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

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  • #741
I read every post and, as I said, I haven't seen any evidence that the carer knew DH or HP.
But never mind.

The man claims this man being the informant that Karlie was running drugs from Aledaide to Darwin before her murder.
She was heavily involved with Daniel Holdom, the man charged with her murder.
She took Khandalyce with her when she left Alice Springs despite plea's from the family.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241
 
  • #742
I read every post and, as I said, I haven't seen any evidence that the carer knew DH or HP.
But never mind.

Didn't he say that Karlie was heavily involved with Holden in the Advertiser article - sorry too hot to be bothered to look :)
 
  • #743
Didn't he say that Karlie was heavily involved with Holden in the Advertiser article - sorry too hot to be bothered to look :)

I believe so but I don't think that means the carer necessarily knew DH & HP.

ETA: Not saying he did or didn't know them just that it's not clear.
 
  • #744
I could be wrong but I think the 1 man 2 women was in relation to the fraud not the murder.

Yes, that is what I understand to be the case.
But is the fraud just fraud, or is it a cover-up of the murder?
If the fraud is to help cover up the murder then the fraudsters are accessories.
 
  • #745
Yes, that is what I understand to be the case.
But is the fraud just fraud, or is it a cover-up of the murder?
If the fraud is to help cover up the murder then the fraudsters are accessories.

True, but it doesn't mean they were involved in the murders, which is what I took your post to imply.
 
  • #746
These dichotomies trouble me greatly and to me, make no sense.

Mentally deranged enough to kill 2 people with extreme violence VS controlled enough to keep quiet about it for 7 years
Out of control murders VS careful concealment of remains
Crazed killing VS long-running, well planned financial fraud

These don't align at all.
Yet we know the facts to the right are correct.
So we have to question the facts on the left.

I think we are looking at a group, not an individual; planned executions not rage; prosaic motive, not emotionally complex motive.

I don't know any more than anyone else here about Holdom, but if the reports of his personality are true and he is really just an overgrown child, while he may well be involved, I can't see him being either the main protagonist of the murders or the person who has covered them up and mislead/misdirected people for 7 years.

Of course, it is always possible he is a criminal mastermind who has cunningly hidden behind the facade of a simpleton for 40 years, but I doubt it based on what we know of his lifestyle.

For those of us who study human nature, and I think a lot of us do cause that's why were here - trying to make some bloody sense of the evil in the world - we can look at the things we DO know about DH, that indicate IMO you may be right Jane.

1. He's itinerant, never stays in one place too long.

2. He lives in caravans, motels, at the houses of friends or family, both before and after his relationship with HP.

3. He hooks up with either very young women, or women with young kids. The relationships don't last.

4. He uses drugs.(IMO)

5. He appears nice and friendly to people.(neighbours)

6. He can charm women.

7. Was said to be psychologically messed up by the car accident in 2008.

7. He and HP fight a lot.

8. When arrested, does not want to appear on camera.

9. Works at odd jobs - labouring, landscaping, car detailing.

10. Has been on and off Centrelink benefits.

11. Had the card of a (dead) ex girlfriend in his wallet.

12. Was in Belanglo forest 14/15 December doing something - according to phone pings.

*i could put other things here, that the 'ex friend' has said but they may not be a truthful representation. I have tried to put things here that we know to be the truth,
or as close to the truth as we observers are allowed to get.

I too, am not thinking criminal mastermind. I am thinking disorganised, a bit of a no hoper ( NOT rich or POWERFUL) poor attachments, hides from things rather than faces them. Lies. Not very well educated, opportunistic, impulsive.
Is is it possible that such a person can be a killer? Yes indeed.

Given the right motivation and loss of control, perhaps.

But, to murder an innocent child, presumably, in cold blood. Thats evil.
 
  • #747
Your list was terrific, 1968.....

to murder a child, in cold blood.. thinking that thru.. he has, the police believe, killed once. A few weeks previously, he murdered the child's mother.. is murder easier or harder the second time? I don't know. Did it give him confidence or is he a walking lunatic because of it? I don't know. Does the fact that he appears to have got away with the murder of the mother make the childs murder , childs play? .. a lesser event, so to speak? or the greater event?

is the necessity to murder the child greater than the necessity to murder the mother?... or less?
 
  • #748
True, but it doesn't mean they were involved in the murders, which is what I took your post to imply.

Fair enough, Sleep, but I didn't mean to imply that and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

I think the fact is that although the police have charged someone we really have no idea of the details and what, if any, defence he might make.

Innocent until proven guilty is the phrase I always have in my mind - being charged and being proven guilty are poles apart.
I am so grateful we live in a society where this is the law, but I am also always mindful of the way the meadia treated Lindy Chamberlain and how most Australians believed her guilty.
Needless to say, I never did.

I am just not a person who is willing to make judgements about people based on what they look like, who they associate with, their past mistakes, or how they appear in the media.
I try to give everyone, quite literally, the benefit of the doubt, both in real life, in media stories and online, and not jump to hasty conclusions about them.

It drives some people nuts, but I'm not likely to change and start judging people just to please others.
 
  • #749
Great list 1968.

You could add "grew up in foster homes" as that may be a significant factor in the development of his personality.
 
  • #750
Fair enough, Sleep, but I didn't mean to imply that and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

I think the fact is that although the police have charged someone we really have no idea of the details and what, if any, defence he might make.

Innocent until proven guilty is the phrase I always have in my mind - being charged and being proven guilty are poles apart.
I am so grateful we live in a society where this is the law, but I am also always mindful of the way the meadia treated Lindy Chamberlain and how most Australians believed her guilty.
Needless to say, I never did.

I am just not a person who is willing to make judgements about people based on what they look like, who they associate with, their past mistakes, or how they appear in the media.
I try to give everyone, quite literally, the benefit of the doubt, both in real life, in media stories and online, and not jump to hasty conclusions about them.

It drives some people nuts, but I'm not likely to change and start judging people just to please others.

See Jane that's the thing, the Courts believe in the Innocent until Proven Guilty which is usually mentioned by anyone and everyone during a case/trial.

The Police's job is to arrest who they believe to be guilty so in effect their roll or belief is Guilty until proven Innocent - I'm more likely to side with this belief as I don't believe our Courts are instilling Justice as they should be these days.
 
  • #751
I am willing to make judgements.. certainly about people who , on record, hold ABN's in dead women's names.. who, on record, have in their possession dead women's keycards. I do give everyone , quite literally the benefit of the doubt, up to a certain point, but most of all, I give a victim of crime, and particularly a small woman who has been hideously murdered the total benefit of doubt.

It wouldn't matter to me if Karlie was the top gun drug runner for the entire Northern Territory, she didn't deserve to die like she did, and certainly her daughter didn't deserve to die like she did... to try and make out that Karlie is not what she seemed, based on a very iffy and unreliable source , over and over again, has the air of someone who isn't into giving victims the benefit of the doubt at all. Any hasty conclusion that can be jumped upon Karlie has been sashayed out on this forum over and over again, to the point of nausea , along with reams of embellishment upon embellishment ...

Considering this forum is about Karlie, and the fact that a person is currently held in custody, charged with her murder, and unable to be bailed must have some bearing on making some judgements somewhere along the line. It surely goes without saying that any benefit of doubt, of whatever quality or quantity belongs entirely to Karlie and with the greatest certainty, to Khandalyce.
 
  • #752
Great list 1968.

You could add "grew up in foster homes" as that may be a significant factor in the development of his personality.

could we then, in fairness add to Karlie's list ' grew up in a single parent home'... just to balance out the empathy... as a development of her personality that drove her to wind up dead in the Belanglo forest??
 
  • #753
Interesting, Dutch.
I am not convinced they were romantically involved either.
I am 100% convinced Karlie and HP were best friends though; which is mainly why I don't see Karlie suddenly getting romantically involved with DH straight after after tragedy.

Why are you so convinced of that? All we have seen is photo taken of their children together. So all we know for fact is that they were known to each other. Oh and besties don't usually spell their mates daughter's name wrong :winko:
 
  • #754
Seriously, can we stop with all the narkiness at eachother? It's making this forum unbearable...........?
 
  • #755
Seriously, can we stop with all the narkiness at eachother? It's making this forum unbearable...........?

Honestly I haven't noticed the narkiness, but if you think it's unbearable please report the post.
 
  • #756
I am willing to make judgements.. certainly about people who , on record, hold ABN's in dead women's names.. who, on record, have in their possession dead women's keycards. I do give everyone , quite literally the benefit of the doubt, up to a certain point, but most of all, I give a victim of crime, and particularly a small woman who has been hideously murdered the total benefit of doubt.

It wouldn't matter to me if Karlie was the top gun drug runner for the entire Northern Territory, she didn't deserve to die like she did, and certainly her daughter didn't deserve to die like she did... to try and make out that Karlie is not what she seemed, based on a very iffy and unreliable source , over and over again, has the air of someone who isn't into giving victims the benefit of the doubt at all. Any hasty conclusion that can be jumped upon Karlie has been sashayed out on this forum over and over again, to the point of nausea , along with reams of embellishment upon embellishment ...

Considering this forum is about Karlie, and the fact that a person is currently held in custody, charged with her murder, and unable to be bailed must have some bearing on making some judgements somewhere along the line. It surely goes without saying that any benefit of doubt, of whatever quality or quantity belongs entirely to Karlie and with the greatest certainty, to Khandalyce.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:Well said Trooper.
 
  • #757
This is the draft timeline I'm working on. It now includes EFTPOS and ATM transactions. Some dates, etc, are unknown/approximations and I would be grateful for any help you can give me before I go back through the multitude of MSM/Police reports and Karlie's and Khandalyce's threads. TIA.

Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson born ( / /88)
Khandalyce Kiara Pearce born (19 /06/06)

Khandalyce photographed by HP at Show n Shine Blatherskite Park, Alice Springs NT (27-28 /07/08)
DJH and HP in MVA at Marla NT(15/09/08)

Karlie and Khandalyce last sighted by police at Coober Pedy SA (08/11/08)
Karlie and Khandalyce photographed at Marion SA ( /11/08)
EFTPOS Transaction at Rabbit Photo/Strandbag at Mount Gambier SA (17/11/08)

GM opens Karlie's mail and discovers she hasn't accessed her pension for 3 weeks ( / /08)

Karlie and Khandalyce last reported at Charnwood ACT ( /11/08)
ATM withdrawal at Kippax Fair ACT (24/11/08)
Karlie, aged 20, is allegedly murdered at unknown location/date (24/11/08- 14-15/12/08)
Karlie's remains allegedly left at and
DJH mobile phone triangulated to Belanglo State Forest NSW (14-15/12/08)
Transaction at Charnwood ACT (16/12/08)
Transaction at Deakin ACT (19/12/08)
Transaction at BP OTR Broadview SA (22/12/08)

Khandalyce, aged 2, is allegedly murdered at unknown location ( /12/08- /01/09?)

Transaction at Coober Pedy, SA (06/01/2009)

EFTPOS purchase from Mobil, Alice Springs NT (07/01/09)

ATM withdrawal at Broadview SA (10/01/09)

Karlie's mother files Missing Person Report for Karlie ( / /09)
Karlie's mother reports 'Karlie' has contacted her and Missing Person report is withdrawn 9 months later ( / /09)
Karlie's mother becomes ill and social media page set up to find Karlie ( / /09)

Belanglo Angel's (Karlie's) remains found in Belanglo State Forest (29/08/10)

Impostor (in wheelchair) attends bank at unknown location SA ( / /10)
Impostor (in wheelchair?) attends Centrelink at unknown location SA ( / /10)

HP and DJH leave Hillbank SA house ( / /11)

KPS Exploration Drilling ABN, Evanston/Hillbank SA 5112, created (01/01/11)

Karlie's GM passes away (02/09/11)
Karlie's mother passes away (06/02/12)
Karlie's bank account accessed for final time ( / /12)

DJH engaged to 16 yo ( /07/12)

Karlie's bank account closed for lack of use ( /06/13)
DJH stopped by police with female passenger in his car with expired bank card in the name of 'K Pearce-Stevenson in his wallet ( / /13)

Wynarka Angel's (Khandalyce's) remains found ( / /15)
Belanglo and Wynarka Angels identified as Karlie and Khandalyce ( / /15)

DJH charged with Karlie's alleged murder ( / /15)

HP assisting investigators with their inquiries ( / /15)
 
  • #758
Great list 1968.

You could add "grew up in foster homes" as that may be a significant factor in the development of his personality.

Maybe ... but he did not maintain contact with his own children. From memory his son was only 3 years old.

I guess there could be reason to which we are unaware. imo
 
  • #759
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion here. You can disagree with the opinion of other posters as long as it's done respectfully and that's all I've seen here at this stage. Please don't forget that this thread is about Karlie and Khandalyce, both of whom are victims in this horrible crime.

You can alert to a post if you feel that it contravenes the rules of Websleuths. Alerting to a post simply because you don't like what is being said will in all likelihood earn you a time out.


 
  • #760
Khandalyce born 19/06/2006
 
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