AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[Maggie_May]

sadly I think by then at least K&K's "lifestyle" would have been far more that of the drug-dealer on the run, likely using as well (judging by the deteriorated appearance of K in the Marion photo), and that believe me is a lifestyle way more characterised by a lot of time spent indoors, dragging yourself around and then pepping up for the next long haul drive...all IMO of course

well. I don't give any credence to the bounty theory at all. So for me, it remains absolutely certain that Spring IS a gorgeous time in Canberra, I really can assure you it is. .... and Karlie and Khandalyce would have been out and about in it. Even MORE gorgeous to someone who's life had been spent in Alice Springs and for a short while, in Adelaide.. A Canberra spring is just irresistible to be getting that pram out, scrubbing up the babe, , pulling on the leotards and be jogging downtown to the Canberra market!!.. oh yes.

 

[plongi]

Yep. He is a sentimental old fool.

He couldn't get rid of them!!.. this whole event, taking the suitcases stuffed with Karlie stuff , with Khandalyce stuff, the nature of which would instantly put a noose around his neck.. his inability to eradicate the articles. . Burn them? he cannot bear to, . Drown them? he cant do it. Bury them? no.. he saves them. Freud, eat your heart out. This is such a huge and empty country in many ways, yet in the entire 7.692 million km² of Australia, he couldn't find a place to discard these tiny feminine articles, objects, papers, it's like a slamdunk of psychiatry.

 

[Found]

I've had a thought that would it be possible for DH to tell HP Karlie was killed due to her drug debt or committed suicide or similar. Asks her not to tell anyone as then he would be involved or police would find out about the drug running. Arrives with Khandles. HP looks after her or just keeps quiet as she may not of been in a position to look after her. They both continue to take her money believing she was their friend, she would not mind, she would understand, we looked after her and her child etc..... Then Khandles is killed because a) her identity was found out and they were scared b) was killed by the same person after Karlie for the drug debt c) she died accidentally and they could not go to police due to the Karlie murder.


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[Makara]

Yep. He is a sentimental old fool.

No, just cunning as an outhouse rat!

 

[plongi]

Thats how they live. I dont really see her child hanging with other kids and sliding down slippery dips and learning to climb.

sadly I think by then at least K&K's "lifestyle" would have been far more that of the drug-dealer on the run, likely using as well (judging by the deteriorated appearance of K in the Marion photo), and that believe me is a lifestyle way more characterised by a lot of time spent indoors, dragging yourself around and then pepping up for the next long haul drive...all IMO of course

 

[Maggie_May]

Yes, sadly she represented nothing more than a major liability once her mother was disposed of I mean he's hardly going to tote her around (can't pretend she's his, can't offload her onto his sister or current fiancee/squeeze/lay), can't drug her forever so only way is to send her after her poor naive out-of-her-depth mother who had no idea what she was getting into when she teamed up with this lowlife all IMO

BBM: Karlie's murder may or may not have been intentional but IMO Khandalyce's murder was premeditated and very intentional. :furious:

 

[Found]

The article in the Maitland Mercury below has always intrigued me. It states in part that...Someone told police Holdom allegedly took two suitcases believed to be carrying some of Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions.

Took them from where? Who was the someone?

In trying to nut this out my first thought was that when HP was first questioned by police in early October she has told them that when she and DH finally parted ways (sometime in 2011 or later), DH left the family home with not only his own gear but the two suitcases belonging to Karlie. "Yep, he took all of his stuff and the two cases belonging to Karlie, went to his sister's place and I haven't seen him since."

In the second article quoted below from the Herald Sun it states in part that...Police seized two suitcases from the property believed to hold possessions belonging to the mother following a tip-off.

This is where it becomes a little confusing. Did DH finally pack up and leave HP in Adelaide, taking Karlie's luggage with him. During the investigation the police received a tip-off (from HP) that Karlie's luggage is at DH's sister's place and that's exactly where they find it?

Did HP try and throw DH under the bus early in the peace or has one or both of the newspapers got it all wrong?

If HP is totally clueless about Karlie's murder, what reason did DH give her for having Karlie's luggage? "Oh, Karlie's away working (or visiting family, picking fruit, running drugs, drilling for oil etc. etc.) and she wants you to impersonate her to update her bank account and Centrelink details so that we can draw money from her account and send it to her."

Nup, I don't buy that one.

Whoever the 'someone' was that tipped off the police, they knew that those two suitcases contained Karlie's possessions. Perhaps DH's sister simply contacted the police to let them know that Karlie's luggage was at her place.

Nup, I don't buy that one either.

Thoughts?

IMO.

BBM: UBM:



http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/s...d-to-accused-killer-daniel-james-holdom/?cs=7

Nov. 12, 2015, 1:25 p.m.




http://news.anotao.com/link/au/www....ry-fnii5yv7-1227605383339?from=herald+sun_rss

November 12, 2015 11:26am

I don't know if I'm alone in this but I don't find the birth certificate to be hugely relevant to DH being guilty. If DH had no connection to her at all and they were not involved then yes it would be big news. But they were friends and romantically involved apparently. Highly likely living or staying together. It IMO is not odd that her belongings were there. He obviously knew they were dead but I don't think leaving their stuff at his sisters shows guilt. To be honest to me it makes him look less involved as he did not burn or destroy the belongings.


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[Trooper]

There is no longer an option to have a young child on your own passport. They always have to have their own. The passports are not all issued in Canberra. You can pick them up hot of the press in Sydney and maybe other large cities I'm not sure. If the father is on the birth certificate pretty sure he has to sign too.

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yes,,, it is no longer an option but in 2008 it was not only an option, if you were a single parent with sole custody, it was very much encouraged that you put the child's identity onto your own passport.. Don't ask me why, but that is how it was.. It took a lot of investigation into how bloody useless that idea was before it was changed. It was, in fact ,mandatory if you were registering your child born overseas of AU parents.. at least in AU one just got the heavy leaning.

And yes, you can pick them up hot off the press now in Sydney, and in Melbourne, but that heat is still generated from the Dept of Foreign Affairs and Trade, forever called DFAT. The electronic info comes from DFAT in Canberra. All passports are issued by DFAT. Only DFAT can authorise a passport. In 2008 all passports were printed in Canberra, but someone quite recently got the idea that they could be printed elsewhere, and very soon, there wont even be a printed passport. One's passport was posted out to the address given, by registered mail, ( which you paid for ) or otherwise sent to your travel agent .... or you could pick it up , once sent out, from your post office.

Never been any mention of the father being on the birth certificate.. He has been , astonishingly, entirely absent from this whole event, except for one small statement by Des Bray ' the father has no involvement with this crime whatsoever'. that is all !!. .nothing else!... No one has ever mentioned his name, his situation, his location, his disposition at all at any time.

 

[Trooper]

I just assumed the 2 suitcases fill with Karlie and Khandalyce stuff was seen being taken to Holdums sisters place by the 16 yr old fiancée..I assumed she actually had a hand in packing them, and I presume she was the 'someone' who tipped off the police about the whereabouts of the suitcases. I assumed that he was taking the suitcases to the sisters because he was moving abode, from the caravan park to a place where he wouldn't be allowed to bring in suitcases of other peoples stuff.

 

[Maggie_May]

Oh and wouldn't she though!! He has killed two of her children effectively (she told the police "I had to be angry at someone..."), she has had a leg ripped from her effectively and relegated to life in a wheelchair...someone has to pay and why not that of an ex...

IMO DH's attitude and any response to police questioning is "Prove it." And "It's not my problem, ask Hazel."

IMO HP is the one who has been singing like a canary.

 

[Oona]

No, just cunning as an outhouse rat!

I thought the cunning might have come from one of the other parties. My impression of DH is definitely opportunistic but also disordered and lazy.

 

[DinkyDi]

or there was no 'bounty' no '$25,000, no stash, no running with the cash, no third person to whom Karlie hands over not only Khandalyce, but her birth certificate and some 'passport application', and 'passport photos'.. and the suitcase, with the 'third person' ready to apply for a passport for Khandalyce.. none of this stuff at all. It is really, statistically, less likely.

It would depend on who had custody of Khandalyce.. as to whom has the deciding signature.. it appears the father had no input, either in a parently way, financial or custodial. At least , that's how it appears, according to police. . The police were very quick to absolve him of all involvement, and it seems likely that he would have mentioned signing for a passport for Khandalyce plus seeing Karlie on that trip. He didn't. It is the kind of thing you would mention, ey? The police don't even mention it. It seems to me that is the kind of thing that would be mentioned, as it has significant implications , but if it's just a fantasy, well...

For this story to stand up, this third person, who takes in stray children and obtains passports for them, and is , of course , not connected to the 'bounty hunters' or 'mr Big' who owns this mythical $25,000 , not only isn't connected but to keep Khandalyce safe , has to be actively against all this stuff, and then somehow loses track of Khandalyce, and forgets that the baby is in the suitcase? .. this ' third person' also has to be absolutely invisible, even today. Unknown to Holdom, as well, because to get out of some of his predicament, he would have to shove some of onto this 'third person' .. it is intriguing. .. in this story, the suitcase and Khandalyce only make it as far as Wynarka from Mt Gambier, yet Khandalyce is confirmed by police as being sighted in Canberra.. .. therefore Khandalyce and the suitcase intersect at Wynarka how?

Family or friends at wynarka or nearby? Just a guess

 

[BlueBayou]

Never been any mention of the father being on the birth certificate.. He has been , astonishingly, entirely absent from this whole event, except for one small statement by Des Bray ' the father has no involvement with this crime whatsoever'. that is all !!. .nothing else!... No one has ever mentioned his name, his situation, his location, his disposition at all at any time.

Police would not comment on suspects or lines of inquiry but said the mother and daughter's family had been ruled out, including the child's father who, it is understood, still resides in Alice Springs.

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/father-of-girl-in-suitcase-not-a-suspect-police-say-20151021-gkevs9.html

 

[Panda]

I just assumed the 2 suitcases fill with Karlie and Khandalyce stuff was seen being taken to Holdums sisters place by the 16 yr old fiancée..I assumed she actually had a hand in packing them, and I presume she was the 'someone' who tipped off the police about the whereabouts of the suitcases. I assumed that he was taking the suitcases to the sisters because he was moving abode, from the caravan park to a place where he wouldn't be allowed to bring in suitcases of other peoples stuff.

In my opinion, the 16 year old didn't have a clue. They didn't get engaged I believe from memory, until 2012 - which was a good 2 years after Karlie was killed. If she had knowledge and tipped off the police, that would mean she had knowledge about Karlie before Karlie and Khandalyce was killed or had knowledge about Holdom's history with Karlie. I could be wrong, but I get the impression Holdom met her a lot later, long after Karlie was murdered - if this was the case, she wouldn't know anything about Karlie or Khandalyce as it would be Holdom's old "history".

 

[Trooper]

Police would not comment on suspects or lines of inquiry but said the mother and daughter's family had been ruled out, including the child's father who, it is understood, still resides in Alice Springs.

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/father-of-girl-in-suitcase-not-a-suspect-police-say-20151021-gkevs9.html

Yes, I believe that is what I said, in my comment. . . That is the only time the father has been mentioned at all. And that is all that has been mention about him.

 

[Trooper]

In my opinion, the 16 year old didn't have a clue. They didn't get engaged I believe from memory, until 2012 - which was a good 2 years after Karlie was killed. If she had knowledge and tipped off the police, that would mean she had knowledge about Karlie before Karlie and Khandalyce was killed or had knowledge about Holdom's history with Karlie. I could be wrong, but I get the impression Holdom met her a lot later, long after Karlie was murdered - if this was the case, she wouldn't know anything about Karlie or Khandalyce as it would be Holdom's old "history".

Naturally, she knows nothing about Karlie, or Kandalyce.. she doesn't know who's stuff she is packing, she doesn't know anything except , as she told the police, he took 2 suitcases to his sisters. So the police go there, and find , ( and the police do not say at any time that this article was found IN either of the 2 suitcases ) at the sisters home, the birth certificate of Khandalyce.

They didn't get engaged until 2012, but shortly thereafter, and it now becomes a bit difficult for me, let me put it this way, say, Holdom has to leave his 16yr fiancée and heed to instructions of Authority and move to somewhere else, and his belongings need to be stored, and/or discarded. So stuff is taken to various place, one of which was his sister's.

 

[Makara]

I just assumed the 2 suitcases fill with Karlie and Khandalyce stuff was seen being taken to Holdums sisters place by the 16 yr old fiancée..I assumed she actually had a hand in packing them, and I presume she was the 'someone' who tipped off the police about the whereabouts of the suitcases. I assumed that he was taking the suitcases to the sisters because he was moving abode, from the caravan park to a place where he wouldn't be allowed to bring in suitcases of other peoples stuff.

There's every likelihood that was the case as well. So DH would have needed to tell the ex-fiancee in 2012/2013 that the two suitcases he'd been hanging onto belonged to his former girlfriend/deceased friend from 2008 and were full of her possessions. How else would she have known they belonged to Karlie?

 

[JaneSA]

I don't know if I'm alone in this but I don't find the birth certificate to be hugely relevant to DH being guilty. If DH had no connection to her at all and they were not involved then yes it would be big news. But they were friends and romantically involved apparently. Highly likely living or staying together. It IMO is not odd that her belongings were there. He obviously knew they were dead but I don't think leaving their stuff at his sisters shows guilt. To be honest to me it makes him look less involved as he did not burn or destroy the belongings.


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I am inclined to agree with that.
It's one of those impossible dichotomies I keep mentioning.

DH cannot be, on the one hand, "cunning as a s-h rat!" and able to maintain a tissue of lies to convince people Karlie and Khandalyce are alive,
while on the other hand, be too stupid not to slip a dead woman's card out of his wallet and into the car window gap when he sees the police pull over next to him, or destroy her belongings.

Either he is dumb, or he is smart, but not both IMO.

 

[Trooper]

I got the impression the 16yr old fiancée, who is now, not 16, of course, but a little wiser, a little more sophisticated, was happy to come forward to the police. She didn't seem at all fazed by being Holdom's former fiancée. While the police have not said, and she has not said that she is the 'someone' who told police about the suitcases, it seemed to me it has to be' someone ' who is in Canberra, someone who was in Holdoms company a lot at the time, and was not a stranger to the sister. ( who lives in the ACT as well ) .. I presume this someone was the fiancée.

 

[Maggie_May]

I've always found it so curious that (AFAIK) Khandalyce's DOB has never been refined down further than "Alice Springs 2006" - seems odd her actual birthday never seems to be alluded to?

I don't know if I'm alone in this but I don't find the birth certificate to be hugely relevant to DH being guilty. If DH had no connection to her at all and they were not involved then yes it would be big news. But they were friends and romantically involved apparently. Highly likely living or staying together. It IMO is not odd that her belongings were there. He obviously knew they were dead but I don't think leaving their stuff at his sisters shows guilt. To be honest to me it makes him look less involved as he did not burn or destroy the belongings.


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