AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[Trooper]

but wait.. the Karlie birth certificate is also used to get the ABN.... hmm.. and the ABN stuff is Daniels handiwork.. maybe there were 2 forms of birth certificate for Karlie as well as Khandalyce.. short and long. possible?

whoa. I know!.. they each had a set each of identity documents for both Karlie and Khandalyce, did photocopies down at the local library ... so that each has a complete set for both girls. Because you never know what you are going to need out in the world of bureaucracy, could be this, could be that. and this is all new ground, ( at least, as far as I know, as far as police know ) so best to have the whole lot for each of us, just in case....

 

[Panda]

whoa. I know!.. they each had a set each of identity documents for both Karlie and Khandalyce, did photocopies down at the local library ... so that each has a complete set for both girls. Because you never know what you are going to need out in the world of bureaucracy, could be this, could be that. and this is all new ground, ( at least, as far as I know, as far as police know ) so best to have the whole lot for each of us, just in case....

Yeah ... I don't know about that Troop - I would have thought they would have to be either originals, or certified copies.

 

[Makara]

Yeah ... I don't know about that Troop - I would have thought they would have to be either originals, or certified copies.

Yes, I'm thinking the same thing Panda.

 

[sleepinoz]

whoa. I know!.. they each had a set each of identity documents for both Karlie and Khandalyce, did photocopies down at the local library ... so that each has a complete set for both girls. Because you never know what you are going to need out in the world of bureaucracy, could be this, could be that. and this is all new ground, ( at least, as far as I know, as far as police know ) so best to have the whole lot for each of us, just in case....

Copies would have to be certified to be accepted by any government agency - but otherwise yes very handy.

 

[Trooper]

Yeah ... I don't know about that Troop - I would have thought they would have to be either originals, or certified copies.

they would certify them for each other!!.. people do ANYTHING!!! steal the stamp of a JP!

 

[Panda]

Yes, I'm thinking the same thing Panda.

I mean, it wouldn't be impossible ... but I don't think they would have been that organised - plus I just can't see them fronting up to a solicitor or a JP to get all these copies certified, as it could all be traced back.

 

[Trooper]

whatever they did, the bits and pieces of Karlie's identity that they had, and used, worked.. this is the disturbing bit.. because, now, I am not being *****y here, I am merely pointing out something that seems to me to be perfectly obvious, and calling a spade a bloody shovel, the female impersonator looks a lot older than Karlie . Karlie would be what,... 28 now? 27? and the female impersonator is 33? but looks years older? ( don't tell me about the strains and stresses of her life putting years on to it, I know that )

take the Centrelink Auditor , for example. he can see Karlie's birthdate, yet he has this much older looking woman in front of him saying she is Karlie.. but the certificate trumps the instinct!!!.. clever, hey?

 

[Makara]

My stumbling block at the moment is did Karlie plan on staying in Canberra for a while or was it a quick trip and she planned to return to Adelaide for Christmas? If the latter was the case, she may have travelled light to Canberra with just the one suitcase, leaving the rest of her belongings in Adelaide. That one suitcase was hidden by DH after Karlie's death and eventually ended up dumped near Wynarka.

If Karlie had not intended to return to Adelaide from Canberra, she would have had all of her stuff with her including the two suitcases. In that event, where did all of her belongings end up after she was murdered? Back in Adelaide, as far away from the murder scene as possible? Taken directly to DH's sister's place in 2008? Or did DH just tote it all around with him for years as he moved from place to place?

I just wish we knew the actual date DH allegedly took the two suitcases to his sister's place.

 

[Panda]

whatever they did, the bits and pieces of Karlie's identity that they had, and used, worked.. this is the disturbing bit.. because, now, I am not being *****y here, I am merely pointing out something that seems to me to be perfectly obvious, and calling a spade a bloody shovel, the female impersonator looks a lot older than Karlie . Karlie would be what,... 28 now? 27? and the female impersonator is 33? but looks years older? ( don't tell me about the strains and stresses of her life putting years on to it, I know that )

take the Centrelink Auditor , for example. he can see Karlie's birthdate, yet he has this much older looking woman in front of him saying she is Karlie.. but the certificate trumps the instinct!!!.. clever, hey?

Yes, couldn't agree more. I did wonder this myself. Initially I thought it couldn't possibly be her (for that reason), but seriously, how can it not be, just based on what we know? (which of course, is my opinion only).

 

[BlueBayou]

but wait.. the Karlie birth certificate is also used to get the ABN.... hmm.. and the ABN stuff is Daniels handiwork.. maybe there were 2 forms of birth certificate for Karlie as well as Khandalyce.. short and long. possible?

A valid TFN would also be required to apply for an ABN.

 

[Panda]

My stumbling block at the moment is did Karlie plan on staying in Canberra for a while or was it a quick trip and she planned to return to Adelaide for Christmas? If the latter was the case, she may have travelled light to Canberra with just the one suitcase, leaving the rest of her belongings in Adelaide. That one suitcase was hidden by DH after Karlie's death and eventually ended up dumped near Wynarka.

If Karlie had not intended to return to Adelaide from Canberra, she would have had all of her stuff with her including the two suitcases. In that event, where did all of belongings end up after she was murdered? Back in Adelaide, as far away from the murder scene as possible? Taken directly to DH's sister's place in 2008? Or did DH just tote it all around with him for years as he moved from place to place?

I just wish we knew the actual date DH allegedly took the two suitcases to his sister's place.

Yes, very good question. I just don't see him carrying all that stuff around with him though. I think he would have left them with someone he "trusted". I think something happened which threw everything out of whack (i.e. the suitcase with Khandalyce being deposited near Wynarka) and owing to him now being arrested, he was unable to move them.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Macabre, horrible and grisly, but little K's bones have been reported to have been "clean" and not to show signs of having been buried, so where does the disintegrating tissue go? and how on earth do people not see them when they are fossicking through an abandoned suitcase near Wynarka? :'(

bbm
Exactly that I can't understand too! It seems so illogical and odd.

Half-baked idea :blushing: :
Could it be possible, that the suitcase with clothing was there first plus something like "a payment" in exchange for extradition of the remains?

The first passing driver who poked around, found the "payment" and took it.
(Police is still waiting for this driver to speak to them. Police says, there was something in the suitcase before and that object was taken by someone.)

Sometime after dumping the suitcase with clothing, the person (suitcase man or not suitcase man) with Khandalyce's remains shows up; the person plans to take "the payment" and leave the remains on some other place. "The payment" (as promised) isn't there because stolen by the first driver.

Out of revenge (for missing "payment") the person hides the bones between the tutu, hoping that now the relationship can be established between HP / DJH / and the dead child.

The last driver eventually finds the suitcase including Khandalyce's remains (he sees a little jawbone) and he reports it to police.


That's just an approach to understand the matter of the at first non-visible bones.

 

[visioneye]

I'm also wondering if DH was planning to visit the custodian of the suitcase prior to it being dumped. Perhaps he had plans to collect it and store it with Karlie's suitcases. The custodian decided to get rid of it out of spite before he had a chance to collect it. IMO.

Yes...this makes sense he was planning on coming to Adelaide when he was available (say in August /September 2015) and the "custodian" said "no way" or words to that effect.. get it yourself (from Wynarka) ....earlier than DM was able to collect.
Communication/phone records between JH's current "residence" 2013-2015 and others will be crucial evidence IMO

 

[Bohemian]

After reading recent posts and thinking more about the information released by SAPOL, what strikes me is that it seems impossible to me that only one perpetrator of the alleged frauds had knowledge of Karlie's and Khandalyce's alleged murders. I am convinced there will be charges alleging accessory after the fact.

Quite apart from the brutality of Karlie's and Khandalyce's alleged murders; the perpetrators of the alleged frauds strike me as a pair of opportunists; one through almost dumb 'luck' and the other by 'design'.
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All my opinion.

 

[Trooper]

After reading recent posts and thinking more about the information released by SAPOL, what strikes me is that it seems impossible to me that only one perpetrator of the alleged frauds had knowledge of Karlie's and Khandalyce's alleged murders. I am convinced there will be charges alleging accessory after the fact.

Quite apart from the brutality of Karlie's and Khandalyce's alleged murders; the perpetrators of the alleged frauds strike me as a pair of opportunists; one through almost dumb 'luck' and the other by 'design'.
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All my opinion.

I just cant think of any way any reasonable person could assume that both Holdom and the female impersonator are not both equally up to speed as to the killing of Karlie, and the killing of Khandalyce. .

Half the damned confidence the impersonator had, to front up to Centrelink most likely is based on the conviction that Karlie is dead and Khandalyce is dead. You just couldn't do this without that guarantee. Because if you do that without knowing that, what happens when the real Karlie turns up? no. you have to be confident about that situation never arising. Any nonsense about 'doing it for a friend,' or ' out of entitlement for minding Khandalyce'.. even that one wouldn't do without some written request and permission granted from the real Karlie.

And there was an aaaawful lot of dumb luck in this whole thing . Luck doesn't have any morals though so it's no use me complaining about that.

What has the air of real confidence, to me ,is this part of the story when the woman turns up at Centrelink and at the Bank, . this is her home town. She actually lives in Adelaide, and yes, there are lots of people in Adelaide, but as can be seen the impersonator has a lot to do with Centrelink on the basis of her own situation, and she still fronts up to an Adelaide Centrelink being someone else. !! Astonishing.

It is absurd to even suggest that to know Karlie is dead, is still to believe Khandalyce is alive. I don't buy that one for one nanosecond.. if one is gone, so is the other. Any other belief on that would be sophistry of the most idiotic sort.

 

[Trooper]

After reading recent posts and thinking more about the information released by SAPOL, what strikes me is that it seems impossible to me that only one perpetrator of the alleged frauds had knowledge of Karlie's and Khandalyce's alleged murders. I am convinced there will be charges alleging accessory after the fact.

Quite apart from the brutality of Karlie's and Khandalyce's alleged murders; the perpetrators of the alleged frauds strike me as a pair of opportunists; one through almost dumb 'luck' and the other by 'design'.
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All my opinion.

and yea!!.. whoever assisted the woman in the wheelchair into Centrelink must have been mighty surprised to be pushing into Centrelink one woman to find she suddenly responds to the callout for an entirely different woman. You'd want to know, hey? .. or perhaps you knew BEFORE you pushed her in the door.

 

[they'll get you]

Perhaps the simple fact of Khandalyce crying for her mother was enough to trip his trigger again.

I agree Makara, sometimes only calmness can settle and screaming child. The moment the voice is raised to quieten the child only makes it worse. Then shaken baby syndrome happens by a short fused temper. Panic sets in by the angry 'career' and then the enevitable happens.

For example, Nikki Francis-coslovich was bashed black and blue by her step father and hidden in the roof ceiling. Go figure?

I can see similar with little Khandalyce. Where was she hidden?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...d-nikki-franciscoslovich-20150828-gj9r9j.html

 

[they'll get you]

For identity purposes in amongst all of the fraud. Flashing the birth certificate when required was almost as good as presenting Khandalyce in person. Or it was simply part of Karlie's luggage. IMO Khandalyce's birth certificate wasn't hidden in some separate part of the sister's house. It was in one of the two suitcases belonging to Karlie. The way in which MSM reported the finding of the birth certificate could have been interpreted as it being stashed in a drawer, cupboard etc. IMO it was in one of the suitcases that were stored out of sight, out of mind at the sister's place.

I would be surprised if the suitcases were stored inside the house but somewhere in a shed, garden shed or garage outside. Who would happily put up with that extra clutter for that many years?
Why am I thinking a shipping container would be a perfect airtight environment to store a decomposing body away from enquiring eyes and noses.

 

[KG1]

but wait.. the Karlie birth certificate is also used to get the ABN.... hmm.. and the ABN stuff is Daniels handiwork.. maybe there were 2 forms of birth certificate for Karlie as well as Khandalyce.. short and long. possible?

You don't need a birth certificate for an ABN - need DOB only. But you do need to have a Tax File number for an ABN.

 

[Oona]

I have just viewed the two part documentary series called "Hitting Home" about domestic violence in Australia http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/hitting-home-with-sarah-ferguson/DO1409H002S00.
The second part highlights the story of Kate Malonyay who was brutally murdered by her ex partner. Kate's killer also used her credit card and impersonated her through text messages to her friends and family to give the false impression that she was still alive http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...by-her-ex-boyfriend-nsw-coroner-finds/5705448.
I am am mentioning this story to put forth the idea that Karlie may have been killed by Holdom as she was intending to leave him and he was very unhappy about the idea. The fraud that ensued would have been primarily to give the impression that nothing was amiss.
If Holdom was a controlling and violent person, is there any possibility that any female accomplices acted under some degree of duress? Not necessarily my opinion but just an idea I am floating.