AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #4

[sleuthin-suz]

My husband's best friend is a police detective. He said that they would do neighbourhood blitzes when they were onto someone and wanted to make some kind of precursory, door-sniff, threshold examination of a property w/o alerting anyone, and without enough evidence for a warrant.

Keep up your hopes. The DNA probably isn't back yet, but I feel confident that there will be major clues still to come. (And it wouldn't hurt to tuck in a prayer. God sees the little sparrow fall ...)

thank you for sharing this its comforting to know... praying everyday

 

[Puggle]

At the very beginning a Forensic Criminologist said this type of discarding of the remains would be indicative of an individual simply wanting to distance themselves as soon as possible from the remains ...

thinking along those lines ... imo

It was either a shock (finding the remains) and they wanted them as far away from "their" position.

or some other catalyst that forced the person to remove the remains from where they were - otherwise they may be found.

 

[Makara]

Hi all
I joined to post in this thread, but I may stick around for a while. It looks like a great place to be a part of.
Anyway, reason why I am posting. I used to buy and sell clothing on ebay, many moons ago. From 2003 to around 2005 or so. I also have 4 kids of my own, the youngest is 11 and the oldest is 24.

Anyway, this left me with a lot of clothes for whatever reason I could not sell. I would buy pieces from op shops, (before they went all up market) and resell them. I would also buy clothes from smaller backyard manufacturers and wholesalers etc.

I used to be a bit of a hoarder, and wouldn&#8217;t throw something out because I may need it one day. <cough> So I would store clothing in boxes, vacuum bags, plastic crates...and suitcases. I had around 4 cases of clothing at one stage.

So I have also moved house a lot. Consequently this would involve lugging all my crap with me. I recall a move where my ex had helped, and unbeknown to me had put all my clothing into a corner of the shed where the weather got to it. We also had a neighbour with cats, and after a year or so in the house, we moved again. All the clothing in the suitcases were ruined. They had significant water damage, and smelt like cat pee. It was gross.

The reason this Wynarka case struck a chord with me, apart from the fact that I am a mum myself, was because when I saw that suitcase with the contents it could very well have been one of mine. More shockingly, there were a few items that were the same as ones I have had. The fake Dora PJ top, the Holden shorts, the blue boxer shorts, the jacket, and the butterfly slipper. To make sure I wasn't imagining it, I asked my kids if they recognised any of it. My 17 yr old did for some of them.

Now I know there is no way it would be any of my gear, as I threw all that stuff out at the dump in general rubbish a long time ago, and I did not recognise any of the other stuff, but I was freaked out nevertheless.

Respectfully snipped.

Hi MsDee and welcome. Very informative first post and you are exactly the type of person the police would want to speak to in regard to the clothing. More especially where you dumped it and how long ago. You may want to contact Crimestoppers.
https://sa.crimestoppers.com.au/crime-stoppers-information-report

 

[Puggle]

To do such works (legally) you need to submit a DA (development application) to the local Council and get it approved first.

Most Councils publish basic details of these (DAs) on their websites. - it it a legislative requirement I think. They (Councils) then let interested people (e.g. neighbours etc) go into the Council and view the documents of any development application they like for free as a public service.

Wynarka seems to be part of a small Council called 'The District Council of Karoonda East Murray' which I haven't heard of before however they do publish basic DA info at http://www.dckem.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?u=187

Specifically http://www.dckem.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/internet register 2015.pdf (2015) and http://www.dckem.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/internet register 2014.pdf (2014).

Being such a small Council there is not many applications at all, and few of them are actually in Wynarka. What these tables may not show is if someone have put in an application and it hasn't been approved yet - there seems to be some entries that suggest as soon as an application is lodged the Council updates this register (prior to the DA actually being approved) although I wouldn't assume it to be comprehensive for DAs until after the DA has infact been approved.

The tables do show where (e..g Wynarka, Karoonda, somewhere else) work was proposed, what work (e.g. carport, new house etc) and who the applicant was (i.e. generally the owner) for each DA.

What I also found of interest while looking at the Council website was under the menu District Information => Centenary 2011 there is a link to a page called "Centenary Quilt" (http://www.dckem.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?u=284) about a quilt presumably made in or around 2011 (to mark the Councils 100 year event?). Details quoted below.



While the quilt is nothing like the one linked to in the media I find it interesting there is a quilting group active within the local community (Karoonda is 10 minutes from Wynarka according to Google) - if the quilt found in the suitcase was made local then this groups members perhaps know details about it (or even made it).

While the quilt shown on the Council website is more intricate I was surpised it took over 3000 hours to make, how long do people think it would have taken someone to make the quilt found in the suitcase?

Thank you so much for finding these ......

I have to admit I did a search on one of these "projects" and the date I got back from the google search (the little blurby bit of info) before you click on the main link ...well... it predated one of the "projects". I'm probably not making sense!!

But my question is.... is it possible these council data, application, application approval dates are possibly "After the Fact"??

I noticed some of the applications have numbers next to the boxes that indicate "Development Commenced" and the box "Development Completed" ????

 

[Makara]

At the very beginning a Forensic Criminologist said this type of discarding of the remains would be indicative of an individual simply wanting to distance themselves as soon as possible from the remains ...

thinking along those lines ... imo

It was either a shock (finding the remains) and they wanted them as far away from "their" position.

or some other catalyst that forced the person to remove the remains from where they were - otherwise they may be found.

Yes, I agree Puggle. One of our sleuther's mentioned that there had been a spate of burglaries in the area and put forward the idea that the suitcase may have been stolen from a storage shed or property nearby and when they discovered what was inside they just dumped it where it was found. IMO this is a more feasible explanation than the suitcase man.

The thief may not have even seen the remains, just a heap of degraded children's clothing. If they did in fact see the bones, they're not going to rock up to the police and say "I've just stolen this case and it's got a skeleton in it. Thought I should let you know."

 

[DutchTreat]

Respectfully snipped.

Hi MsDee and welcome. Very informative first post and you are exactly the type of person the police would want to speak to in regard to the clothing. More especially where you dumped it and how long ago. You may want to contact Crimestoppers.
https://sa.crimestoppers.com.au/crime-stoppers-information-report

That's exactly what I was thinking. Please report this to crimestoppers.
Do you know around what time you got rid of the spoilt clothes? Are where did you dispose of them?
Cause I think it would be an almost impossible coincidence that several identical pieces would end up together with the girls remains. Like the holden shorts.
Meaning that someone could very well have gotten a hold of the clothes you disposed of.

 

[sleuthin-suz]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Please report this to crimestoppers.
Do you know around what time you got rid of the spoilt clothes? Are where did you dispose of them?
Cause I think it would be an almost impossible coincidence that several identical pieces would end up together with the girls remains. Like the holden shorts.

I have to agree you need to report this because there is just too many things in your post to ignore. To have that many clothes the same as in that suitcase is far more than just a coincidence

 

[sleuthin-suz]

is anyone here from the area?

 

[Puggle]

That's interesting that an application/approval for the development of a shearing shed was dated 3/2/15.

The project for a garage is another curious one (that's actually the one I found conflicting dates for the application).

Lampshade1 if you could find a map of the subdivision of the immediate township of Wynarka listing all lot numbers and sections especially including section 15 ...well...we'd be lifelong friends xx

 

[sleuthin-suz]

ok its late and i had a few wines with the girls so forgive me if this is a stupid idea. but what about speaking with chemists within like a 50km radius and seeing all people who have had a script out for a child that may date back years but have had absolutely nothing since or Dr's or those baby nurses that see mothers with their newborns for a little while after theya re born and fill in their red books with weights etc I wonder if this info could be found and show that a child abruptly just stopped being seen?

 

[AtaraMalka]

I've always maintained it wasn't the persons intention for it to be found ... well least not consciously. They have walked it far enough out of the town and made some attempt at hiding it - Not a very good attempt admittedly.... but an attempt at least. If their intention was for it to be found, why not abandon it in the main street or leave it directly on the roadside?

I hear what you're saying puggle, but if a person had left it right in the middle of the main street, there would be a much greater risk that he or she would be seen planting it there, and in that instance a direct connection could made between the person witnessed and the suitcase containing the remains, whereas, regarding suitcase man, it's just conjecture to say that there is a connection between him and the suitcase on the side of the highway -a much safer position to be in from an investigative and legal standpoint.

 

[JaneSA]

Great post MsDee!

I am also of the opinion that this case of clothing was stolen and dumped. Lots of recent shed break-ins in the area.

I believe it was used for storage and, as you said, got wet in the shed.

I think the way it was dumped, in a convenient pull-off area of the highway, indicates that the thieves had a quick look inside, saw only ruined clothes and dumped it.

Not at all sure if suitcase-man fits in though. He could be irrelevant. But if he was the person the case was stolen from he could have been looking for it, but I don't see how he could have known where to look unless he knew who had stolen it and they had indicated where they had dumped it. However, if that was the situation, searching by car would be more effective than on foot, and why be in the township of Wynarka?

Such a mystery!

 

[MsDee]

I have to agree you need to report this because there is just too many things in your post to ignore. To have that many clothes the same as in that suitcase is far more than just a coincidence

I will do this. I'm pretty sure they would have ended up at the Wingfield dump, but will go over some old hard drives in the next few days, as most of the clothing I had to sell I would take pics of. Hopefully I will still have some of them somewhere. That will give me some idea of the time frame, as well as wracking my brain to remember how they were disposed of. I can remember hiring a skip at one stage, and plenty would go in the weekly rubbish collection.

Ordinarily I am the first to say there is no such thing as coincidences, but I really doubt they would be the same clothes. Especially as from what I have seen, there were more items that simply did not match anything I had. I simply posted because they were pretty common pieces.

Still, best they get the info and not need it, than not get it and it may help.

 

[AtaraMalka]

I will do this. I'm pretty sure they would have ended up at the Wingfield dump, but will go over some old hard drives in the next few days, as most of the clothing I had to sell I would take pics of. Hopefully I will still have some of them somewhere. That will give me some idea of the time frame, as well as wracking my brain to remember how they were disposed of. I can remember hiring a skip at one stage, and plenty would go in the weekly rubbish collection.

Ordinarily I am the first to say there is no such thing as coincidences, but I really doubt they would be the same clothes. Especially as from what I have seen, there were more items that simply did not match anything I had. I simply posted because they were pretty common pieces.

Still, best they get the info and not need it, than not get it and it may help.

Amazing work, MsDee!

 

[Puggle]

I hear what you're saying puggle, but if a person had left it right in the middle of the main street, there would be a much greater risk that he or she would be seen planting it there, and in that instance a direct connection could made between the person witnessed and the suitcase containing the remains, whereas, regarding suitcase man, it's just conjecture to say that there is a connection between him and the suitcase on the side of the highway -a much safer position to be in from an investigative and legal standpoint.

If this suitcase has been in their (Knowingly) possession for some time .... they would have had more than enough opportunities to discard it .... say at night time, under cover of darkness - to minimize being seen??

And yes lol.... suitcase man could simply be the work of local witnesses imagination to confuddle the investigation... motives??

so many theories to explore to get at the truth.

 

[JaneSA]

Puggle - the lot numbers show on the map.

Lot 15 is the corner property that looks to be a disused church.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...s0x6ab7f2099fd69881:0x4033654628eea70!6m1!1e1

 

[JaneSA]

Oh, hang on. It's Lot 66, Section 15. Sorry.

 

[musicaljoke]

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And yes lol.... suitcase man could simply be the work of local witnesses imagination to confuddle the investigation... motives??

so many theories to explore to get at the truth.

I think that the witnesses are totally credible. Didn't the police indicate that there was a group of three women who were together at the time? I must look for a link.

If they were driving along the highway, then they were going somewhere ... bank, shopping, dentist .. and they surely would have lotsof paperwork, emails, visa receipts, calendars, to support the date and time.

And, I can well imagine that the strange man was seered into their memory:

Thelma: Look at this weird guy walking down the highway!
Louise: He's dragging a suitcase. What's he doing?
Joan:He's probably filling it with rocks to sell on ebay! Haha!

Thelma: Do you think we should offer him a ride?
Lousie: No way! He's too weird!
Joan: He looks pretty clean cut. He's probably heading back to his car.

Thelma: What car? Did anyone see a car?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lent-death-remains-unidentified-10403658.html

 

[JaneSA]

I think suitcase man couldn't have sought the dumped case. His suitcase was already of heavy weight when he was noticed from the Wynarka people.

I know I have read that somewhere but can't find it now.
Thanks for confirming FG

 

[AtaraMalka]

If this suitcase has been in their (Knowingly) possession for some time .... they would have had more than enough opportunities to discard it .... say at night time, under cover of darkness - to minimize being seen??

And yes lol.... suitcase man could simply be the work of local witnesses imagination to confuddle the investigation... motives??

so many theories to explore to get at the truth.

Yes, definitely a lot of possibilities!