AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #4

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A very weird thing about suitcase man is that in a town of just 24 people he was seen on the main street (Railway Tce) in broad daylight by at least 4 people.
And he still hasn't come forward.

Is it possible he wanted to ensure he was going to be seen?

Given that the timelines indicate that the roadside suitcase was dumped BEFORE suitcase man was seen in Wynarka, is it possible his appearance was actually to try to create a false time-line?

If he or an associated person had dumped the case in March or earlier, as police now know, maybe there was something specific to link him/them to that particular time.
So he makes his April and May appearances in the hope the police will assume the case was left later than it actually was.

But I can't think why. Hmm?
 
And if he knew where it was, why not simply move it.
Ug! Nothing makes sense!!!!!
 
I will do this. I'm pretty sure they would have ended up at the Wingfield dump, but will go over some old hard drives in the next few days, as most of the clothing I had to sell I would take pics of. Hopefully I will still have some of them somewhere. That will give me some idea of the time frame, as well as wracking my brain to remember how they were disposed of. I can remember hiring a skip at one stage, and plenty would go in the weekly rubbish collection.

Ordinarily I am the first to say there is no such thing as coincidences, but I really doubt they would be the same clothes. Especially as from what I have seen, there were more items that simply did not match anything I had. I simply posted because they were pretty common pieces.

Still, best they get the info and not need it, than not get it and it may help.

Welcome :) and any info, no matter how little we think it is, can be very useful. I agree that there are many coincidences here!
 
Great post MsDee!

I am also of the opinion that this case of clothing was stolen and dumped. Lots of recent shed break-ins in the area.

I believe it was used for storage and, as you said, got wet in the shed.

I think the way it was dumped, in a convenient pull-off area of the highway, indicates that the thieves had a quick look inside, saw only ruined clothes and dumped it.

Not at all sure if suitcase-man fits in though. He could be irrelevant. But if he was the person the case was stolen from he could have been looking for it, but I don't see how he could have known where to look unless he knew who had stolen it and they had indicated where they had dumped it. However, if that was the situation, searching by car would be more effective than on foot, and why be in the township of Wynarka?

Such a mystery!

I think suitcase man couldn't have searched the dumped case. His suitcase was already of heavy weight when he was noticed from the Wynarka people.

PS: I have renewed my post with this one because of false spelling.
 
I think that the witnesses are totally credible. Didn't the police indicate that there was a group of three women who were together at the time? I must look for a link.

If they were driving along the highway, then they were going somewhere ... bank, shopping, dentist .. and they surely would have lotsof paperwork, emails, visa receipts, calendars, to support the date and time.

And, I can well image that the strange man was seered into their memory:

Thelma: Look at this weird guy walking down the highway!
Louise: He's dragging a suitcase. What's he doing?
Joan:He's probably filling it with rocks to sell on ebay! Haha!

Thelma: Do you think we should offer him a ride?
Lousie: No way! He's too weird!
Joan: He looks pretty clean cut. He's probably heading back to his car.

Thelma: What car? Did anyone see a car?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lent-death-remains-unidentified-10403658.html

The witness statements.... well what was recorded by the media has been one of my bug bears (frustrations).... if you compile various news articles there is a variation on who saw what and when....... hell the two power walkers are reported to have seen the man later that day "around lunchtime" if I'm correct...then another news article states it was someone else some 7 hours later - not the walkers!!.... then we have a witness who saw him without the suitcase...man...it's doing my head in because there are so many variations on the "Witness" reports of suitcase man.

If we were to compile all the various news article of the witnesses.... you will see what I mean.. at this stage it's just guessing what witness report is correct.
 
If someone different who hadn't seen him with the suitcase saw a man later with no suitcase how do we know it was the same man ?
 
Ok, what about this?

Case is dumped the weekend of the Karoonda Farm Fair by someone who attended the fair in March 2015.

Then he sees himself in a photo in the paper or online, clearly having attended the fair that day, maybe in a background crowd shot.
He realise he can be placed in the area at the time, so he decides to confuse the issue.

He appears in April and May, nondescript but obviously carrying a suitcase, and makes sure numerous people see him in broad daylight.
That way, he hopes, it will be assumed when the case is found that it was dumped in April or May and not at the time of the fair.

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I think that the witnesses are totally credible. Didn't the police indicate that there was a group of three women who were together at the time? I must look for a link.

If they were driving along the highway, then they were going somewhere ... bank, shopping, dentist .. and they surely would have lotsof paperwork, emails, visa receipts, calendars, to support the date and time.

And, I can well image that the strange man was seered into their memory:

Thelma: Look at this weird guy walking down the highway!
Louise: He's dragging a suitcase. What's he doing?
Joan:He's probably filling it with rocks to sell on ebay! Haha!

Thelma: Do you think we should offer him a ride?
Lousie: No way! He's too weird!
Joan: He looks pretty clean cut. He's probably heading back to his car.

Thelma: What car? Did anyone see a car?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lent-death-remains-unidentified-10403658.html

Hilarious!

Yes, I have to confess that even though the rational part of me says that he probably has nothing to do with it - much more likely statistically that the suitcase with remains was just tossed from one of the many cars passing by - certain things about him stick.

For example, the fact that he was seen by several witnesses (4 or 5 as far as the public know, and possibly more now that police have spoken to everyone in the town) shows that he really did exist. That's really something. I think Des Bray even said 'this man exists', because it's not something that can be taken for granted where there is only one witness report.

Given the degree of human error when it comes to retaining and recalling information to which witnesses are notoriously subject, the word of one witness alone is worth very little, even if it appears that the person is not being mendacious; many cases have gone pear-shaped because of reports from a single witness that turn out to be wrong or red herrings. (We never knew if Tannerman, for example, in the Madeleine McCann case, really existed, because we were relying entirely on the testimony of only one person.)

In this case however, we know that suitcase man really was in Wynarka, he really was carrying a suitcase, and he really did return on at least one occasion! Police must have asked for proof of dates from witnesses, and will probably have spent many hours with each witness going through what they saw and what their own movements were that entire day, just to put everything in context.


Secondly, the fact that the witness reports apparently corroborate each other, not only with regard to the timing and physical descriptions but also the feelings the witnesses seemed to have regarding the man's behavior, gives credibility to the witnesses themselves, who in corroborating each other, have proven themselves to be reasonably accurate and honest reporters. This is good for police not only with regard to the details regarding suitcase man himself, which one could take as being reasonably reliable, but in respect of any questions police might have to ask those people in the future.

I happen to think it is mighty strange, then, given that suitcase man really does exist, that he hasn't come forward. Especially considering the fact that there seems to be a family tradition of not coming forward in this case (mother, father, quiltmaker, dumper of the suitcase.) How can he have forgotten that he was in the town on two occasions not that long ago?

Of course, it's more than possible that our Wynarka witnesses are all part of a conspiracy in the town to cover something up, as has been hinted at. But until we have real evidence of that, we have to assume that they are telling the truth.
 
A very weird thing about suitcase man is that in a town of just 24 people he was seen on the main street (Railway Tce) in broad daylight by at least 4 people.
And he still hasn't come forward.

Is it possible he wanted to ensure he was going to be seen?

Given that the timelines indicate that the roadside suitcase was dumped BEFORE suitcase man was seen in Wynarka, is it possible his appearance was actually to try to create a false time-line?

If he or an associated person had dumped the case in March or earlier, as police now know, maybe there was something specific to link him/them to that particular time.
So he makes his April and May appearances in the hope the police will assume the case was left later than it actually was.

But I can't think why. Hmm?

He certainly made a very good job of it.
 
The witness statements.... well what was recorded by the media has been one of my bug bears (frustrations).... if you compile various news articles there is a variation on who saw what and when....... hell the two power walkers are reported to have seen the man later that day "around lunchtime" if I'm correct...then another news article states it was someone else some 7 hours later - not the walkers!!.... then we have a witness who saw him without the suitcase...man...it's doing my head in because there are so many variations on the "Witness" reports of suitcase man.

If we were to compile all the various news article of the witnesses.... you will see what I mean.. at this stage it's just guessing what witness report is correct.

It's hard for us to construct a timeline because we're relying on the inaccurate media, as you say, but police will have done so. I think it will be interesting to hear in the next update if more info on this man came to light as a result of all the door knocking, and perhaps that will iron a few things out. He doesn't seem to have made great efforts to conceal himself from the people of Wynarka so more people probably saw him.
 
If someone different who hadn't seen him with the suitcase saw a man later with no suitcase how do we know it was the same man ?

On the information we all have at the moment, we don't. But police may have more details, no?
 
Yes. For such a tiny place, he made a remarkable job of being noticed.
Even returned again to make doubly sure.
Which is why I think he really wanted to be noticed.
 
Yes. For such a tiny place, he made a remarkable job of being noticed.
Even returned again to make doubly sure.
Which is why I think he really wanted to be noticed.

One wonders what his purpose was in Wynarka if it wasn't to do with this case. Unless he was some sort of decoy.

I really think that police will be able to make progress on this, with all the witness information.
 
Not sure if you are aware or not although there is a very famous case (colloquially known as the 'bodies in the barrels' or 'snowtown murders') around 15 years ago in a town 3 hours north of Wynarka in South Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowtown_murders

While that case would obviously not be linked in any way, certainly no one in SA would be unaware of this case and the method of how the remains were stored...

Nope, I'm in the US - just started following this case because of the (slight) similarity to the Boston case. But, I know there are cases in the US where bodies have been disposed of in chemical drums.
 
What about this?

Man around 60, neatly optic, not really known to Wynarka people (but perhaps yes, only they don't notice it: unknown clothing, cap, sunglasses, something like that?) walks through the area with a suitcase. Nobody knows, whether the suitcase (dark, clean, heavy weight) is deposited somewhere or not. Man and suitcase are disappearing at the end.
Next time in May suitcase man returns from the nowhere to Wynarka, again walks with a suitcase through the area (town, highway), nobody recognises him except having the thought "this is the same suitcase man from last month, odd".

Maybe, the Wynarka people would know the man, if he was dressed in his usual "uniform" and without a cap and with
glasses (not sunglasses) and if he had spoken to somebody in his usual manner.

On 15. July a degraded suitcase, dirty clothing and bones of a little girl are found.

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My story ends with :dunno: I don't know, what had been in the suitcase in April, what had been in the suitcase in May, why was suitcase man walking around, where he wanted to go, where he did come from, where his car was parked, why nobody had seen something like a car/van/truck/motorcycle/taxi. <modsnip>
 
I've always maintained it wasn't the persons intention for it to be found ... well least not consciously. They have walked it far enough out of the town and made some attempt at hiding it - Not a very good attempt admittedly.... but an attempt at least. If their intention was for it to be found, why not abandon it in the main street or leave it directly on the roadside?


Someone might not have wanted to leave it in town for fear of surveillance cameras. And the quickest (safest) way to dispose would be to toss it from a vehicle, probably at night. They may not have seen or been too particular regarding where it landed.
 
Hi yall! I've been playing catchup after hearing about this case. Just some thoughts, some may have been thrown out there and I missed it as I skimmed/read through.

One thing I think that could be a possibility is that the case was disposed of the way it was because the person has other children. For example, when I have my daughter with me often times I do thinks half way because I only can step away for a moment. Like, I could pull over and totally stuff a suitcase by some bushes. But I couldn't bury it. Or throw a suitcase into water without being asked questions.

Or, someone drove from a distance to dispose of this and didn't have time to hide it better. Think of a spouse who could only get away for a certain amount of time without raising suspicions. They may have drove as far as they could in that time and just looked for a place to ditch the body and suitcase. Which might explain why the body was in a suitcase. We have suitcases I have never looked into in the attic. If tucked away in a shed, a wife may never notice it or care to inspect it. And if you were driving with it that wouldn't be the least bit suspicious.

I'm not sure where I stand on the likelihood of suitcase man being involved yet.
 
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