AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #4

[Hericania]

MsDee thanks for that! Do you know if there is landfill onsite? I'm just thinking that if it is like my local tip there might be a processing area where rubbish is dropped off and sorted, and it could be disposed of or at least temporarily piled up elsewhere on site. This would be a more likely way for someone to scavenge as it wouldn't be monitored.

I've had a look on Google earth, and there is a road (track?) called Club Road that runs alongside the river. I can't see much sign of fencing on the Grand Trunkway in that area, it could possibly be an access point to someone familiar with the area.

I too am thinking along the lines of Angel being a child 'born in captivity', if she was born in say, 2003 then the clothes could have been found and kept at any point after that.

I know it's a bit of a long shot, but its got to be worth considering!

 

[MsDee]

Are you sure that the items you recognised and mentioned before, you disposed of years before 2007-2008?

Not 100% at this stage, no. I have had 100's of items over the years. Hence seeing if I have any old pics of stuff I was going to list and didn't, to give me an idea. My memory is not so great anyway, unless I have something to jog it, like an event, or where I was living, or where I was working at the time etc. Will spend some quite mediation time today when I don't have anyone at home and try to think further.

 

[SwartzEcho]

It seems that if the clothing items tagged made in Australia really were made here, they should be much easier to track down. But they're some of the ones the police can't identify. I dunno if they are telling the truth on those tags. I've never bought clothes from any of those dodgy websites but they definitely do lie on their labels. Scrolling through looking for the unknown tags I've seen plenty of stuff labeled 100% cotton that clearly doesn't contain a single natural fibre.

Hi, Never done this before but just had a thought with the labels, if they are "Made in Australia" then the labels themselves may also have been. Perhaps a company like https://www.apparellabels.com.au might be able to help with identifying who ordered the labels for their clothing line.

 

[ninjabynight]

Great post MsDee!

I am also of the opinion that this case of clothing was stolen and dumped. Lots of recent shed break-ins in the area.

I believe it was used for storage and, as you said, got wet in the shed.

I think the way it was dumped, in a convenient pull-off area of the highway, indicates that the thieves had a quick look inside, saw only ruined clothes and dumped it.

Not at all sure if suitcase-man fits in though. He could be irrelevant. But if he was the person the case was stolen from he could have been looking for it, but I don't see how he could have known where to look unless he knew who had stolen it and they had indicated where they had dumped it. However, if that was the situation, searching by car would be more effective than on foot, and why be in the township of Wynarka?

Such a mystery!

It's worth remembering that according to police the bones were not originally in the suitcase. This suggests to me that they were put into the suitcase for the purposes of dumping, which would negate any 'stolen suitcase' scenario.

 

[ninjabynight]

I was at Monarto zoo the other day, which is in the same region, and tour guide mentioned that the land in the area is of little productive use because there is a very thin top soil with calcrete not far beneath. This is a kind of soil that is so hard as to be just about like concrete. Very difficult to dig through. I'm not sure exactly what the soil situation in Wynarka is like, but I doubt it would be too different. The implication being that burial might be very difficult. Just thought it worth a mention.

 

[Kyja]

Crazy theory here but if this suitcase man was spotted in different months carrying a suitcase at various times then could that mean there's more than one suitcase left in the area. I wonder how well the surrounding areas have been checked?

 

[LadyL]

holy mackerel - you may be onto something!

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else & I sure didn't think of it

omgosh ... there could be more clothes, more evidence, hopefully not anymore bones

Crazy theory here but if this suitcase man was spotted in different months carrying a suitcase at various times then could that mean there's more than one suitcase left in the area. I wonder how well the surrounding areas have been checked?

 

[debirlfan]

It's worth remembering that according to police the bones were not originally in the suitcase. This suggests to me that they were put into the suitcase for the purposes of dumping, which would negate any 'stolen suitcase' scenario.

Depends - it could mean that, or it could just mean that she wasn't put in there at the time of her death.

Another scenario - if her body was stored in an attic or the like in an old trunk, a box, a piece of furniture - and the item was discovered by a family member who wanted to get rid of the evidence, the trunk/container might have been too large/too identifiable/too flimsy to transport.

 

[Makara]

The road crash victim is off limits here. He has a grieving family out there and there is no indication that he is connected to this case. Any further posts about him will result in the loss of posting privileges.

 

[MissUnderstood]

At the very beginning a Forensic Criminologist said this type of discarding of the remains would be indicative of an individual simply wanting to distance themselves as soon as possible from the remains ...

thinking along those lines ... imo

It was either a shock (finding the remains) and they wanted them as far away from "their" position.

or some other catalyst that forced the person to remove the remains from where they were - otherwise they may be found.

Like a parent covering for their child who killed their grandchild?



MOO!!

 

[ninjabynight]

A very weird thing about suitcase man is that in a town of just 24 people he was seen on the main street (Railway Tce) in broad daylight by at least 4 people.
And he still hasn't come forward.

Is it possible he wanted to ensure he was going to be seen?

Given that the timelines indicate that the roadside suitcase was dumped BEFORE suitcase man was seen in Wynarka, is it possible his appearance was actually to try to create a false time-line?

If he or an associated person had dumped the case in March or earlier, as police now know, maybe there was something specific to link him/them to that particular time.
So he makes his April and May appearances in the hope the police will assume the case was left later than it actually was.

But I can't think why. Hmm?

Yeah, it has also occurred to me that he may have wanted to be seen, just as I suspect he wanted the suitcase and child to be found. Why? Perhaps he wanted to be seen so that he would be the main suspect and therefore, importantly, someone else wouldn't. This springs from the scenario I can't get out of my head, which is that suitcase man has stumbled across this murder and that it was in fact perpetrated by, for example, his daughter. He is thus motivated to get a) rid of the evidence, with b) enough of a conscience to want it to be found. And perhaps he also wants to c) set thing up so that the prime suspect is someone very much different to his murderous daughter. I dunno - just speculating

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Ok - new theory

Bones had been recovered from grave and stored in case by, for arguments sake, the terrified and totally dominated wife. Husband doesn't know she did that.

Suitcase was randomly stolen during shed break-in (remember, it's been a persistent problem in the area) and dumped by thieves when found to contain only revolting old clothes.

Owner of shed has reported theft to police because some valuable items were stolen, but only later, when wife checks, does he know the suitcase is gone.
Wife tells him what she has hidden in it.

So the whole point of suitcase-man's very public and obvious appearances is to attempt to make police think the case was dumped on a date unrelated to the date of the reported shed robbery in the hope they won't think to investigate him.

Okay, but then I (suitcase man) had to chose an old tattered blue suitcase and not a clean dark suitcase.
Btw: do we know if the suitcases (the one dumped and the one from suitcase man) had the same dimensions?

 

[ninjabynight]

I just looked on the map and Wingfield Dump is not that far away from Wynarka (by Aussie standards!) 140 km, around 1.5 hours by car.

Wingfield Dump is an enormous industrial dump. I doubt that anyone would be allowed in to rifle through the rubbish. And it is completely the other side of the city.

 

[ninjabynight]

No Angel cannot be Melissa. But if Melissa was abducted and her mother murdered when she was 15. She might very well have been exploited, abused and could have given birth to Angel around 2004/2005.

But if you think this through, what you are suggesting is that someone stopped off to grab a suitcase from Wingfield tip at the time that they murdered Melissa's mother, which they then subsequently kept hold of over several years, living with their abductee in some mysterious and one would suppose somewhat distant location, while Melissa gave birth to and raised a child who eventually was murdered. And then several years after that the suitcase was finally put to use to dispose of the body. To me this seems like drawing an awfully long bow.

 

[JaneSA]

It's worth remembering that according to police the bones were not originally in the suitcase. This suggests to me that they were put into the suitcase for the purposes of dumping, which would negate any 'stolen suitcase' scenario.

Not really.
We don't know how long the bones had been in the suitcase, only that they were already bones when placed there.

 

[ninjabynight]

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I think you raise a good point re the possibility of suitcase man being disguised. Perhaps a disguise is what made him so apparently confident about walking around in broad daylight?

I also feel feel that if he was originally from Wynarka or a town nearby but had been away for many years, he may have looked like a stranger to locals. That would also explain why he avoided conversation with anyone - to avoid recognition.


But I like the idea of a disguise.

Yes I wonder if he was disguised. I have such a cloak and dagger image of him in my head!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Not really.
We don't know how long the bones had been in the suitcase, only that they were already bones when placed there.

Yes, bones were placed in the suitcase but NOT only bones (speak: body) were before placed in some of the suitcase clothing. We assume because of the decomposition of individual parts.

 

[JaneSA]

Okay, but then I (suitcase man) had to chose an old tattered blue suitcase and not a clean dark suitcase.
Btw: do we know if the suitcases (the one dumped and the one from suitcase man) had the same dimensions?

I don't think any of the reported sightings have mentioned the dimensions of the case.
However, if the scenario was as I imagined it (he had reported the shed theft before realising the thieves also took the suitcase with remains), if his only intention was to ensure witnesses reported seeing a man with a case at the wrong times (well after the reported theft) it wouldn't have mattered what the case actually looked like.
All that mattered was throwing the police off in the wrong direction, looking for the man in the wrong time period.

But the reported sightings are so vague. We only know "60ish, slight build, average height, neatly dressed, carrying case" and that's it.

 

[ninjabynight]

Not really.
We don't know how long the bones had been in the suitcase, only that they were already bones when placed there.

True. I just feel it is much more likely that the body was only moved once, rather than several times. The chances of the suitcase being stolen seem incredibly slim to me. I was surprised to hear Makara (I think) write earlier that she feels the stolen suitcase is a more likely scenario that the suitcase man being involved. The suitcase man's potential involvement is based on a combination of circumstantial evidence and multiple eyewitness reports. Even though many unanswered questions surround the suitcase man, there seems little doubt that he exists and has not come forward. On the other hand the idea of the suitcase being stolen is just that - an idea. But you never know, stranger things have happened!

 

[LadyL]

the problem with this theory is that none of the local witnesses recognized suitcase man and since there's only 24 people in the town, then I think they would've known who he was

I do have a person of interest and stated that before ... I think there is a need to ascertain if there was any construction going on within the town of Wynarka around the time the suitcase man was seen - or even upcoming works.

Things like a house extension, putting up a new project such as a carport or even a garage perhaps?

There was a catalyst for these remains being moved.

I personally don't feel that he wanted the suitcase found, rather he was just flustered at knowing exactly what to do with it. He purposely didn't engage with the two woman. He's walked to the almost invisible boundary - geographically the area where he dumped the suitcase the topography of the area changes, he would have hit the end of his comfort zone. From all reports I think the suitcase was actually placed about 11 metres off the road hidden in bushes/trees

I'm thinking this is more like the caylee Anthony dump ... the remains were kept/clothing - someone did care and had a deep attachment to the child, that is why they haven't disposed of "Evidence"..as it's their child ...they have kept their child close.