AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #4

[Makara]

I just found this thread yesterday and still getting up to speed - Can someone repost a link to the pictures of the items in the suitcase?

Have police contacted everyone within walking distance of the remains? If so, if the suitcase man was innocently visiting anyone there, it should be known by now.

Welcome to the thread stillwatersc. The prior threads for any case are always included on the opening page of the successive thread. Check the link below for threads #1, #2 and #3. There is a lot of information and great sleuthing there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Discovered-July-15-4&p=11991952#post11991952

 

[Earth]

Is there a list of rule-outs?

 

[AtaraMalka]

Sorry if this point has been made already, but doesn't it say at the end of the motorbike video that police do not consider the object to be suspicious?

 

[Makara]

Sorry if this point has been made already, but doesn't it say at the end of the motorbike video that police do not consider the object to be suspicious?

Yes it does.

 

[AtaraMalka]

Re: Suitcase man as grandfather?

I've been having a few thoughts on this. If he was the grandfather (or other close relative) of the little girl, and he put the suitcase out there in order to enable police to investigate the crime, then eventually, if police did get to the bottom of things and identify the child and her mother, then surely he himself as grandfather would be identifiable? So why not just go directly to police in the first place?

 

[Hericania]

Sorry if this point has been made already, but doesn't it say at the end of the motorbike video that police do not consider the object to be suspicious?

Maybe the police have been to check it out already?
It does look a similar size and shape, and it's close by so it should at least be worth a look to see if whatever it was is still there.

 

[Bliss_Perth]

I keep thinking someone wanted to come back for the suitcase, The location where the case was found is easy enough to hide something for a while, but still be able to find it again fairly easy knowing the location. For all we know that case could of been laying in that shrub for a year maybe 2 years, Having a few roadwork guys say they didn't see a case, doesn't mean it wasn't there then. If the person who dropped the case truly wanted it to be found, you could of dropped it somewhere more visible , but discreet enough that nobody would see you do it. To me it just screams out like it was done in a hurry and with no planning.

If you look at the map there is soo much land and places that case can be disposed of and never seen again. Also they wouldn't of had to dispose of the case just the bones if they wanted too, They managed to conceal the murder for so many years, Why did it turn up now? and why there?.

This post isn't much help I'm sorry, Just thoughts :thinking:

 

[Bliss_Perth]

If this is not allowed please remove my post but this is the kind of situation i think where something might of had to happen in a hurry. I'm not saying this guy is responsible, but i did think he was worth looking into to see if he had kids or had been married.

This guy is addicted to drugs, gets so paranoid he kills two of his mates at his property the leaves the scene and drives to Adelaide, he doesn't live far from wynarka.

Story is here - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...he-murray-mallee/story-e6frg6n6-1226343066990

I know its really far fetched but i thought it was looking into news stories from wynarka and the surrounding areas for the past few years. Drugs seem pretty big in the area as well, lots of news stories on that, also that would be another reason to get rid of the case in a hurry, if you expected police to come with a warrant to search your residence.

 

[Hericania]

The guy that posted the moto video said he has tried to join WS as he has some answers to questions we have posed, but he isnt able to post yet.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The dump site really gets me too - so RANDOM.

But Australia is so huge and deserted it would be easy to assume no one would ever find something on the side of the road.

I think the dumper was infirm in some way - simply couldn't walk any further.

I've also just found out that there were approximately 50!!! pieces of clothing in the suitcase.

At this point I'm wondering if the clothing has nothing to do with the child, at all - some sort of red herring.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Murray Bridge, close to Wynarka, is a well known drug town.

I bet my hat the baby.offender comes from Murray Bridge.

 

[browneyedsusan]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Bones-of-a-Child-Discovered-July-15-4/page35

This is where I got the pic from. Just right click on it, but don't click on it, and save. When it's on your computer you can enlarge it. If you can, change the format of type of file, but not sure to what. I ended up with a mini pic that couldn't be enlarged. Just download it in it's original file type. Windows picture will allow you to enlarge it.

You can easily measure the size of the rider on bike to the box or whatever it is and see it's not a mattress. I agree this would change things compared to witness accounts of the suitcase going by the date on the bike riders video.

 

[browneyedsusan]

It took a whole day to get added to webslueths. It might be two depending on when the moderators get it approved.

 

[DutchTreat]

Murray Bridge, close to Wynarka, is a well known drug town.

I bet my hat the baby.offender comes from Murray Bridge.

What about prostitution. Do you think the mother of the child could have been exploited around Murray Bridge somewhere?

 

[Hericania]

It took a whole day to get added to webslueths. It might be two depending on when the moderators get it approved.

Yes, I think it took a couple of days for me too. Very frustrating when you've got something to say!

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

I keep wishing this will be like the Famous case of Graeme Thorne ..... with all these items of clothing and the quilt - I hope they yield an abundance of forensic evidence of soil and especially flora evidence.... that wherever this angel had been the family had special plants in their garden that she has rubbed against as she played in her Tutu or other clothing. The police were able to trace Graeme location down to a single house within their search area - as it was the only house with a specific tree of that species.

I just hope little Angel had a time in her life when she did play....and run and giggle and feel loved

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Yes I have many unanswered questions about suitcase man ... really wish the media had got all witness reported sightings correct so we could chronologically map out where and when he was seen.

and I think guilty conscience could be ruled out immediately.... also I don't think he committed the murder. These wreaks of a cover-up.

I know I am totally alone on this - I really don't think he wanted to be noticed. He chose the morning, I can't imagine a lot going on in the town at 7.30 - 8.00 am. His mistake was not knowing that two locals chose this time to do their "walk" at this time.

I'm sticking with the professional opinion of the forensic Criminologist who said the actions were indicative of someone simply wanting to distance themselves (Personally/location wise) from the suitcase as soon as possible and those actions also indicated the person would feel that no one would be able to feel they will be suspected of having this child anyway.

We know that the police suspect that the child did come from that immediate area...well that is what I think they are suggesting.

I can't figure out why exactly why the individual wouldn't think people wouldn't associate him with the child, but I have a few ideas.

He knew the child (possibly related) - but never had her stay with him at his residence for an extended period of time to be noticed, so his thought process is that locals wouldn't associate this child to him.???

He lived on one of the properties outside of the immediate town, this child had been at his property but would never have been seen by locals (the smaller tight knit community of houses).. There are no shops in the township apart from the post office...little angel could have been in a car seat and travelled down past the main street many of times without been noticed, as he/her mum/dad had business elsewhere...and no need to stop in at the post office...

The family that she was apart of always had a habit of being secretive and kept a boundary between themselves and other locals.

This morning I even wondered if this man was attempting to hide rather than dump..

This may explain him being sighted 44 days later ...was he going to retrieve the suitcase??

If he was - as suggested in the media seen hours apart walking along the hwy, could this suggest hesitation or even confusion??

Maybe he is covering for someone else (As the police suggested)

And the reason this disposal is so unusual to many other murder victims is .. ???

It could be for any reason - but specifically fear of the remains being found.

Relatives staying for an extended period of time.

Having to move for some reason.

Works being undertaken at his property; Telstra, water board, NBN...???.

Sale of home - property inspections.

Fear of being raided related to some other investigation - their involved in some criminal activity

Having strangers on property undertaking work for a specific reason; plumbing works, electrical, home renovation, extension, addition

some other maintenance requiring strangers to be on their property for extended period of time.

I am not surprised they are still pursing this mans identity - Your right the pieces don't really fit - but there has to be at least one eye witness report that is correct. Its a very small town

Im so tired....hope some of what I've typed makes sense..

otherwise...peace out fellow webleuthers xx

That is exactly what I think he was doing... RETREIVING the original suitcase to avoid being implicated or to bring the little girl back into his 'care'

 

[Hericania]

I just hope little Angel had a time in her life when she did play....and run and giggle and feel loved

I hope so too.

The theories I have come up with are so grim I can hardly bear to post them. I only hope that she had some moments of happiness in that short life.

 

[SapphireSteel]

As a local I cannot emphasise enough how much suitcase guy would've stuck out in this tiny town.

It is literally on the way to NOWHERE. A dot on the landscape that moves at snail pace - all town would've known about him.

I believe the baby and man originated in Murray Bridge, a closeby urban area with known drug issues and rumours of all sorts of nasty things going on.

As far as mum being a prostitute - who knows. It's not really such a big deal here as it's essentially legal. I doubt it has any bearing on this one way or the other.

The clothing appears to all be purchased new imo...few signs of wear beneath the mould and dirt. That suggests a cared for baby. Maybe mum is deceased, or had surrendered custody for some reason. If mum was murdered at the same time however I would expect her to be found with the baby also.

FWIW this man could be the baby's father, AND grandfather. Murray Bridge is that sort of town.

 

[AtaraMalka]

As a local I cannot emphasise enough how much suitcase guy would've stuck out in this tiny town.

It is literally on the way to NOWHERE. A dot on the landscape that moves at snail pace - all town would've known about him.

I believe the baby and man originated in Murray Bridge, a closeby urban area with known drug issues and rumours of all sorts of nasty things going on.

As far as mum being a prostitute - who knows. It's not really such a big deal here as it's essentially legal. I doubt it has any bearing on this one way or the other.

The clothing appears to all be purchased new imo...few signs of wear beneath the mould and dirt. That suggests a cared for baby. Maybe mum is deceased, or had surrendered custody for some reason. If mum was murdered at the same time however I would expect her to be found with the baby also.

FWIW this man could be the baby's father, AND grandfather. Murray Bridge is that sort of town.

Very good point.

Regarding the father / grandfather idea, would a person from the bad part of Murray Bridge be 'clean cut,' as the man was described?