Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[PezCandy]

How much do wild boars and lambs weigh?

I'm not sure how much wild pigs or lambs usually weigh over there but I'm in the USA & my grandpa used to go wild boar hunting (yummy jerky!) & the boars could weigh a pretty decent amount, usually 30+ pounds, lambs I'm not sure but my grandpa was helping a neighbor secure pens after the neighbors lambs were being taken, neighbor had taken pictures to give to the DNR for complaints, trail cam showed the lamb being taken as it was being shoo'd off, the carcus was found later in a tree.
That's why I thought I'd ask earlier about it, I know it's been discussed but I'm not familiar with alot of animals from Australia, like if they can carry a good amount of weight like the birds of prey can here. Hawks can get weird too, one was constantly trying to grab my brothers bulky pitbull. It obviously couldn't get him & it scratched up the dogs back, it was odd to see that's for sure.

Imo jmo moo

 

[MIG214222]

How much do wild boars and lambs weigh?

Hi @Bigditch,

1. Feral pigs may weigh up to 100 kilograms, 15 stones 10 lbs - reference: Feral pigs, The Landscape Boards South Australia, South Australian Gov.
2. Established feral pig population are not reported around Yunta, the closest is the Flinders ranges, approximately three hours driving distance, two days for a human towalk & OR eleven hours if cycling - Yunta, South Australia 5440 to Flinders Ranges, South Australia 5434.
3. Lambs weight on average - 26 kilograms, 4 stones and 4.173 pounds - data from 2022, reference: Genetics and management drive lamb weights to record level.
4. Australia doesn't have avian vultures, our largest bird of prey is the Wedge-tail-eagle - we do have human vultures. WTE's wingspan is 2.5 meters, overall average weight = 3.5 to 4 kg; their diet varies, *read*: Wedge-tailed_eagle, Dietary biology - (imo) - a WTE couldn't lift & carry a Feral pig, a WTE couldn't lift & carry a 26 kilogram lamb, a WTE couldn't lift and carry a 4 year old child, approximate weight: 17 kilograms / 37 pounds.

All M

Edit: added imperial weights & approximate weight for 4year old child.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

1. Australia doesn't have avian vultures, our largest bird of prey is the Wedge-tail-eagle - we do have human vultures. WTE's wingspan is 2.5 meters, overall average weight = 3.5 to 4 kg; their diet varies, *read*: Wedge-tailed_eagle, Dietary biology - (imo) - a WTE couldn't lift & carry a Feral pig, a WTE couldn't lift & carry a 26 kilogram lamb, a WTE couldn't lift and carry a 4 year old child, approximate weight: 17 kilograms / 37 pounds.

I've not found a definitive answer to how much weight an adult WTE could lift so it would be a useful experiment with pieces of meat calibrated at 5lb intervals to see which were taken away and which left. I would imagine that males are larger than females and that males would therefore have a higher maximum lifting weight than females.

 

[SouthAussie]

"The Wedge-tailed Eagle can carry up to 5 kg of prey through the air."

https://www.wildlife.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/115343/Wedge-tailed-Eagle.pdf

Estimated weight for a 4 year old ..... 16kg.

https://www.childrens.health.qld.gov.au/for-health-professionals/queensland-paediatric-emergency-care-qpec/queensland-paediatric-resuscitation-tools/estimated-weight-based-on-age

 

[Ellery84]

I'm just waiting for this case to turn on its head. I can feel it coming.

Because it's almost as if Gus wasn't at Oak Park on 27 September.

There's no evidence to suggest he was.

Imo

 

[JLZ]

I'm just waiting for this case to turn on its head. I can feel it coming.

Because it's almost as if Gus wasn't at Oak Park on 27 September.

There's no evidence to suggest he was.

Imo

Apart from his family who say they saw him. I'm not sure what else you'd necessarily expect.

Some members have been saying that he left no footprints at the sand hill. Has that been specifically been reported?

 

[jessicalouise]

Apart from his family who say they saw him. I'm not sure what else you'd necessarily expect.

Some members have been saying that he left no footprints at the sand hill. Has that been specifically been reported?

Is that really evidence though? It's a missing child nowhere to be found, zero trace. Since when do police just take people's word at face value?

If he was there that day like they say there'd be ample evidence. He's 4 so he'd likely not be fully potty trained and would be likely still in pull ups or nappies at night time.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Is that really evidence though? It's a missing child nowhere to be found, zero trace. Since when do police just take people's word at face value?

If he was there that day like they say there'd be ample evidence. He's 4 so he'd likely not be fully potty trained and would be likely still in pull ups or nappies at night time.

I seem to recall someone earlier saying that he had only recently turned 4. In terms of potty training, it seems that the age at which this is expected for a child without special needs has been drifting in recent years, particularly since the introduction of disposable nappies and pull-ups which don't become uncomfortable for the child.

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[JLZ]

Is that really evidence though? It's a missing child nowhere to be found, zero trace. Since when do police just take people's word at face value?

If he was there that day like they say there'd be ample evidence. He's 4 so he'd likely not be fully potty trained and would be likely still in pull ups or nappies at night time.

Yes, what people say about their own experience--in sworn statements or under oath in court--is the best evidence. That's not to say it's invincible.

Hm, nappies--but would they be lying around, unwashed? When I was growing up, the nappies were washed at the earliest opportunity. (And they weren't in use by the time we were four. There was an occasional wet bed.)

 

[SouthAussie]

We don't know who saw Gus that day. If there is anyone else who works on the sheep station. If Gus had a video chat with his dad at some point that day, if a neighbour had swung by for some reason and saw Gus, if Gus video chats with other grandparents, if he had visited a grocery store with a family member earlier in the day and was seen there, etc etc.

We know pretty much nothing about the circumstances. That is evidently how the police want it to be.

imo

 

[jessicalouise]

Yes, what people say about their own experience--in sworn statements or under oath in court--is the best evidence. That's not to say it's invincible.

Hm, nappies--but would they be lying around, unwashed? When I was growing up, the nappies were washed at the earliest opportunity. (And they weren't in use by the time we were four. There was an occasional wet bed.)

Generally you dont wash nappies one by one and it depends if he was in pull ups or cloth nappies. Pull ups would still be in the bin.
There's a baby there and they go through lots of nappies so you'd give them a rinse, collect them up, and do a load because they need to be sanitised properly. Some people do them daily, some every few days for the load of nappies.

 

[Ellery84]

We don't know who saw Gus that day. If there is anyone else who works on the sheep station. If Gus had a video chat with his dad at some point that day, if a neighbour had swung by for some reason and saw Gus, if Gus video chats with other grandparents, if he had visited a grocery store with a family member earlier in the day and was seen there, etc etc.

We know pretty much nothing about the circumstances. That is evidently how the police want it to be.

imo

We know none of that, yet.

Imo

 

[TootsieFootsie]

From a few months ago. 3rd April 2025

Too many kids coming to school 'not toilet trained' - ABC listen

The union representing education assistants has raised the alarm about the growing number of kindy and pre-primary students - up to a third of each class - who cannot go to the toilet independently.

www.abc.net.au

ABC News Australia

Too many kids coming to school not toilet trained, education assistants say.
Up to a third of each class can't go to the toilet independently.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Generally you dont wash nappies one by one and it depends if he was in pull ups or cloth nappies. Pull ups would still be in the bin.
There's a baby there and they go through lots of nappies so you'd give them a rinse, collect them up, and do a load because they need to be sanitised properly. Some people do them daily, some every few days for the load of nappies.

If they were using disposables, I would imagine they are burned or buried somewhere away from the station house.

With cloth nappies, it would be normal to scrape off the crap into the loo and then steep the nappies in a bucket of bleach solution until there are enough to make a separate load for the washing machine. At least that's what my mother did 60 years ago

 

[Ellery84]

From a few months ago. 3rd April 2025

Too many kids coming to school 'not toilet trained' - ABC listen

The union representing education assistants has raised the alarm about the growing number of kindy and pre-primary students - up to a third of each class - who cannot go to the toilet independently.

www.abc.net.au

ABC News Australia

Too many kids coming to school not toilet trained, education assistants say.
Up to a third of each class can't go to the toilet independently.

Where are we going with the toilet training discussion?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Where are we going with the toilet training discussion?

I was thinking that if Gus was still in nappies, he might have pulled his nappy off when it became uncomfortable and that searchers should have found it or traces of it even if he was separated from it. That would have given them some idea of his direction of travel.

This is in addition to the clothes he was wearing in the context of him developing hypothermia if he was outside overnight which might have led to paradoxical undressing.

 

[Ellery84]

I was thinking that if Gus was still in nappies, he might have pulled his nappy off when it became uncomfortable and that searchers should have found it or traces of it even if he was separated from it. That would have given them some idea of his direction of travel.

This is in addition to the clothes he was wearing in the context of him developing hypothermia if he was outside overnight which might have led to paradoxical undressing.

Ok that's interesting! From clothesline pictures it looks like mum Jess uses cloth nappies for her infant Ronnie.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Where are we going with the toilet training discussion?

Perhaps those who have already posted about it before me might be able to answer your question.
I see it has now been answered.

Thanks @MelmothTheLost it is something to consider.

And even if he wasn't wearing nappies, he would have to "go" somewhere at some time.

 

[jessicalouise]

Where are we going with the toilet training discussion?

Nowhere. I just used it as one example of nappies/pullups being evidence he was actually there. It would be pretty easy to determine if they needed evidence to back up the family's claims.

(Some people elswhere have speculated that he may have not even been there or had been missing for longer than the family claim.)

Call me a sceptic but I'd think investigators would need more evidence rather than just what family the reports what happened. Like in the William Tyrell case the data from the photo taken of him they had date, time, location.

 

[JLZ]

Where are we going with the toilet training discussion?

I thought it was about whether Gus's presence on the day could be proved from soiled nappies.