Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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Oh I really need the FOC *vomit* button on this thread and others !
 
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Hexe said:
Can we please refrain from assuming a person that is under enormous stress must have a violent temper because she raised her voice while harassed? Her grandson is missing, for Pete's sake.
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Exactly. I'd hate to be judged for my emotions and reactions during the most stressful time of my life.
 
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Ellery84 said:
That's incorrect. Can you please provide a link to support your assertions?
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Yes, you are right. I was relying on this post and the second video it refers to

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...where OP states that Jonica states she was following the convoy. The video attached appears to be the confrontation with Josie video, which I did not want to watch again. I made the assumption that Bray had said to Josie during that incident she was following the convoy (which would mean the vehicles that arrived on the Thursday afternoon).

Having now watched the OP posted video, it is just a recap of the Josie vid. It then morphs to a new vid of Bray driving to the boundary of the property the next day. My bad. It was inadvertent.

As an aside, I responded to the OP's post that I don't believe the DM or any other media were at the actual homestead and most likely not on the property at all on the Friday when the dam was drained. Jmo
 
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KBlackRabbit said:
That’s an edited series of photos with flashing and breakaway video effects and stupid dramatic music. It tells me nothing except I can’t trust this “reporter.”

I saw the upside down video that shows nothing except the “reporter” is a poor videographer and she was being told repeatedly to get out. I saw nothing that shows Josie was waving a gun at her or any of the other allegations made against her. The only thing getting waved around recklessly was the camera. I’ve seen drunken Sasquatch cams that are better quality.

These people have been repeatedly harassed, there’s no evidence they harmed Gus, the public has been told to stay away, if the family has something to say they know who to contact, the police and other authorities are working on the case. There’s no reason for this borderline stalker to keep pestering them.
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Agree. I have never seen Josie actually pointing the rifle directly at the reporter. And I have watched that video many times.
 
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essareem said:
So, do any of the commenters here actually own guns? And have gone through gun licensing etc?

I'm asking because one of the first and most basic rules you are taught is to never point the muzzle at anything you don't intend to kill. The muzzle should never point (even momentarily, during a change of position) towards another person.

Like, basically if you are going to change the position of the gun from pointing at the ground to pointing up in the air, you need to be sure that the entire arc of the muzzle is safe.
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Can you link the actual footage of a gun being pointed directly at the reporter?
 
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BreakingNews said:
Can you link the actual footage of a gun being pointed directly at the reporter?
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I mentioned it yesterday in this post. I link to the video at a timestamp where you can see the gun arc where it points at the camera holder (I assume the photographer). It's easy to miss, if you play it at 0.25x speed you'll see it at around the 3:54 mark. It's not a point and hold, it's a change of position which arcs directly towards the camera operator.

Very big no-no, very dangerous. It's not an obscure rule, it's gun handling 101, anyone with a gun license has this drilled into them and knows it very well.

IMO you basically cannot do this unintentionally.

I can understand non-gun owners not realising this.

Also in the same video, the second gun-position-raising happens at around 4:05, it arcs pointing somewhere to the right of the cameraman. If I have this correct, it must be where the reporter was standing. I base the assumption of the position of the reporter on one of the reporter's videos about the incident, where she shows stills of the gun pointing in that direction during the position change, and infers it was pointing at her.

Edit: "about the incident"
 
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LookingForClues said:
I'm fascinated by how our personal reality and life experience dictate our reaction to the way a grieving and stressed grandparent responds to intrusive members of the media who ignore repeated requests to stay away.

Many of you know I'm a former newspaper editor. I would have respected this family's request. And if one of "my" reporters insisted on ignoring that very public request, I would have suggested perhaps they should consider working for a less reputable newspaper. There will always be tabloid journalism because there is enough public demand for it. But that doesn't mean it's right. And it certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't push back and expect professionalism, ethical behavior and basic common decency. There are other ways to break a news story...if there's a story to break.
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It amazes me how a 30-second video has convinced so many people that this grandparent is a terrible person.

Is anyone really looking at the bigger picture here? This family has been living through the worst possible nightmare for the past month. Their entire world has been turned upside down. Sleep wouldn’t come easily—and when it did, it would likely be filled with bad dreams, only to wake and face the same ordeal all over again. We all know how sleep deprivation affects your emotional state, making anyone more impatient, reactive, and irrational.

And let’s not forget the family’s understandable distrust of the media, especially given the sensationalised coverage we’ve seen. The Daily Mail in particular has stooped even lower by publishing social media theories as if they were facts.

The journalist involved has shown a clear lack of integrity in my opinion—she was trespassing and had already been warned, along with others, to stay off the property.

I sincerely hope the family takes action against her. I know I would, given the song and dance she’s made about the encounter.
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wallyworld said:
It amazes me how a 30-second video has convinced so many people that this grandparent is a terrible person.

Is anyone really looking at the bigger picture here? This family has been living through the worst possible nightmare for the past month. Their entire world has been turned upside down. Sleep wouldn’t come easily—and when it did, it would likely be filled with bad dreams, only to wake and face the same ordeal all over again. We all know how sleep deprivation affects your emotional state, making anyone more impatient, reactive, and irrational.

And let’s not forget the family’s understandable distrust of the media, especially given the sensationalised coverage we’ve seen. The Daily Mail in particular has stooped even lower by publishing social media theories as if they were facts.

The journalist involved has shown a clear lack of integrity in my opinion—she was trespassing and had already been warned, along with others, to stay off the property.

I sincerely hope the family takes action against her. I know I would, given the song and dance she’s made about the encounter.
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Yes I truly feel sorry for them and they would be in so much pain.

If it was just a verbal anger outburst, I don't believe people would be so wound up about it. But unfortunately it was a verbal angry outburst with a gun in a hand.

You can see Josie walking along the verandah so she had more than enough time to put that gun down before the verbal confrontation took place.

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I don't think the gun was even loaded. In the DM's Tik Tok video that I posted earlier (the video has now been taken down and the link I posted is now invalid) you could see the ammunition in Josie's other hand. I could see the brass ends of it. They actually showed a close-up of it.

Even in the video that is still available on the DM's YouTube channel, you can see Josie's other hand wrapped around something (the bullets).

I think she may have exhibited an empty rifle to scare the trespassers, and it worked.

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BreakingNews said:
Can you link the actual footage of a gun being pointed directly at the reporter?
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J. Bray's "Pulled" a gun on me is a complete falsity.moo
 
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spiritualdreaming said:
Yes I truly feel sorry for them and they would be in so much pain.

If it was just a verbal anger outburst, I don't believe people would be so wound up about it. But unfortunately it was a verbal angry outburst with a gun in a hand.

You can see Josie walking along the verandah so she had more than enough time to put that gun down before the verbal confrontation took place.
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So are you implying that the grandparent had to accommodate the journalist who was trespassing?
 
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wallyworld said:
So are you implying that the grandparent had to accommodate the journalist who was trespassing?
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No not at all, I'm just simply saying maybe the gun should've been put down before a verbal altercation took place imo
 
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wallyworld said:
So are you implying that the grandparent had to accommodate the journalist who was trespassing?
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In relation to your first comment re people making negative assumptions about Josie, moo it seems that a victim of this tragedy under extreme emotional stress for over a month, waiting to discover if her grandson's body is to be recovered from a dam, is to be judged for expressing legitimate anger at a disrespectful and unethical intrusion by standing up for herself. Why couldn't she be just be 'nice', lol.

And the gun was never brandished at, or "pulled on" on the journalist as falsely claimed. Jmo

Ebm for clarity
 
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SouthAussie said:
I don't think the gun was even loaded. In the DM's Tik Tok video that I posted earlier (the video has now been taken down and the link I posted is now invalid) you could see the ammunition in Josie's other hand. I could see the brass ends of it.

Even in the video that is still available on the DM's YouTube channel, you can see Josie's other hand wrapped around something (the bullets).

I think she may have exhibited an empty rifle to scare the trespassers, and it worked.

imo
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It does not matter whether the gun was loaded or not.

It's not acceptable at any point, whether loaded or unloaded, to direct the muzzle of a firearm at another person, whether held in position or while changing position.

Rule number one on all of the sources below is... Treat every firearm as loaded

firearmsafety.org.au

10 Basic Rules - Firearms Safety Foundation Inc Victoria

Understanding Firearms Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded Keep your finger off the trigger; always point the muzzle in a safe direction; open the action and inspect the chamber and magazine. Do not take anyone’s word that a firearm is unloaded. Check every firearm yourself. Only pass or...
firearmsafety.org.au firearmsafety.org.au

Be safe - Be GunSmart

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au www.dpi.nsw.gov.au

Rule number two? Always point firearms in a safe direction
 
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essareem said:
It does not matter whether the gun was loaded or not.

It's not acceptable at any point, whether loaded or unloaded, to direct the muzzle of a firearm at another person, whether held in position or while changing position.

Rule number one on all of the sources below is... Treat every firearm as loaded

firearmsafety.org.au

10 Basic Rules - Firearms Safety Foundation Inc Victoria

Understanding Firearms Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded Keep your finger off the trigger; always point the muzzle in a safe direction; open the action and inspect the chamber and magazine. Do not take anyone’s word that a firearm is unloaded. Check every firearm yourself. Only pass or...
firearmsafety.org.au firearmsafety.org.au

Be safe - Be GunSmart

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au www.dpi.nsw.gov.au

Rule number two? Always point firearms in a safe direction
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Rule #1 ... don't trespass when you have been clearly warned numerous times not to do so. Then you won't encounter anything that you don't want to encounter. It was a completely DM self-made situation. Maybe they will think twice before they do that to anyone else.
 
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Can we stop talking about the gun incident. There's going to be no winners in this argument. Just arguing.
 
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SouthAussie said:
I don't think the gun was even loaded. In the DM's Tik Tok video that I posted earlier (the video has now been taken down and the link I posted is now invalid) you could see the ammunition in Josie's other hand. I could see the brass ends of it. They actually showed a close-up of it.

Even in the video that is still available on the DM's YouTube channel, you can see Josie's other hand wrapped around something (the bullets).

I think she may have exhibited an empty rifle to scare the trespassers, and it worked.

imo
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Why are they deleting videos I wonder??

Just maybe because it showed them filming Josie with her back to the camera , ? walking away. There are still videos of that if you look on youtube that other creators have published.

She was at her own private property, with her gun, when a reporter intruded on her privacy, knowing the family had asked them not to show up.

What did Jonica & her camera man expect?? A sit down interview & a nice cuppa?
 
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