Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[jepop]

Thank you for your clarification of direction.
There is a background to the snake. The proposed theory stems of course from JM stating they had shot at a snake in the vicinity of the porch and that is the reason they had the shotgun which the DM filmed and which the DM informed the police. This is one of the only few threads of fact that has been documented if indeed JM was shooting at a snake or simply concocted the story to justify the presentation of a shotgun.
The presented scenario is just one suspected scenario--a scenario in which may have easily got out of hand in which GL is bitten and looses unconscious and dies in a period of time in which SM was not looking out and after GL. SM panics and the body is disposed of and the 2 JM's arrive back and GS is gone. SM has sunken into a deep depression.
You have to remember that there is a suspected cover-up and a period of time that sits in a vagary of the abyss in this entire unknown period of time. If young JM was involved it surely would have been done and dusted and the police called in. But perhaps a cover-up evolved.
It is suspected that GL has been removed from the scene at play and other parties at that time we're not aware of it and perhaps JM knows and is protecting.
I know everybody hates snakes but JM mentioned it and it is actuality or invention or the unconscious metaphor (iceberg theory) All variables at play.
(There are 4 species of snakes in that area which I have researched including those I have already stated)
*Remove the snake and supplant another aggressor or variable.
Dare I mention a theory here on WS's for I will be bitten by it!

Thanks for elaborating on your thoughts here.

From your OP ( which I responded to) I took that you were speculating that Gus could/must have been deliberately allowed to play on the sand pile, whilst someone knew that snakes were all over the place outside ( I objected to that notion as a given and posted as to why), and that therefore a person (SM or JosM) may have been okay with a likely (I objected) snakebite/or even wanted that (a sort of deliberate sending to possible death without medical intervention if bitten by eastern Brown for instance) .

Thank you for clarifying here and outlining a theory and your thoughts. I'm sure all theories as to what may have happened to Gus that day are welcome here. Jmo

ETA:
Just to be as clear as possible, my responses stemmed from what you said here (taken from your OP upthread). You wrote:

"But as I have already stated previously and as an emphatic question: why would you allow a child to play in the sand pit (dirt) when you have snakes outside? Unless you want the child to be bitten by a brownie! (A brown snake)
Nothing quite adds up".

EBM further for clarity

 

[linge]

Jessica Murray

Thank you. Been getting more and more confused over conflicting details and decided to sit down and methodically try to separate the wheat from the chaff, the actual known facts from unverified things that have been said, and it was weird realizing that 'Gus's mother's name' wasn't something I've been able to put in the 'confirmed' pile. Still digging through old SAPOL releases and so on. Because without getting the solid information established, am liable to just accidentally contribute to the confusion going forward by writing things based on misinformation.

 

[_sleuthdog_]

Thank you. Been getting more and more confused over conflicting details and decided to sit down and methodically try to separate the wheat from the chaff, the actual known facts from unverified things that have been said, and it was weird realizing that 'Gus's mother's name' wasn't something I've been able to put in the 'confirmed' pile. Still digging through old SAPOL releases and so on. Because without getting the solid information established, am liable to just accidentally contribute to the confusion going forward by writing things based on misinformation.

To be fair though, I don't believe it has been actually confirmed. But to the point made my @BreakingNews a few posts back, it is not important for us to know this detail anyway.

 

[jepop]

From this point forward, I am going to refer to Shannon as SM, Josie as JosM, Jess as JeM and Josh as JL. In my prior posts when referring to who lived at Oak Park when Gus went missing I always referred to Jess as JL.

Just personally, I don't find the marriage status of JL and Jess ( or the last name Jess uses given she could still use Murray even if married to Josh) relevant to the case, especially as police have emphatically stated neither parent is suspected at all in Gus' disappearance. Moo

 

[Dotta]

Josie, Jess, Josh
The foreigner's headache hehe
I still have some problems with who is who.
Aaaargh

 

[DK007]

What is the latest update in the Gus Lamont case?

 

[jepop]

Where is it stated that it was, in fact, JM who actually gave a snake as the purpose for the gun? IFIRC it was LE who "suggested" she may have been carrying the gun for a reason such as a snake, not that it had actually been explained as this by JM.

BBM. Imo, it was explained that way by JoM to SAPOL when the incident was assessed.

See this post from the time (Oct 31 2025).

Australia Post in thread 'AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025'

Oct 31, 2025

Deputy Police Commissioner Linda Williams said on Friday that Ms Murray was using the gun to “dispatch a snake” and had no threatening intentions, and labelled the Daily Mail’s actions as “disgraceful”.

“My understanding is two members from the Daily Mail organisation, despite numerous warnings over numerous days and weeks … have gone on to private property,” she said.

Ms Williams warned the public to stay off private property.
“If this persists, then action will be taken, you will either be reported or arrested, this is completely disgraceful conduct,” she said.
Ms Williams said the...

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And copy and paste of the relevant portion of the above post:

"Deputy Police Commissioner Linda Williams said on Friday that Ms Murray was using the gun to “dispatch a snake” and had no threatening intentions, and labelled the Daily Mail’s actions as “disgraceful”.

“My understanding is two members from the Daily Mail organisation, despite numerous warnings over numerous days and weeks … have gone on to private property,” she said.

Ms Williams warned the public to stay off private property.
“If this persists, then action will be taken, you will either be reported or arrested, this is completely disgraceful conduct,” she said.
Ms Williams said the actions of the homeowner had been assessed and no further action would be taken."

She said the people who approached the home were unlawfully on the property.
“I’d say you need to look at the behaviour of the people who entered that property unlawfully.”
SA Police has not said whether the Daily Mail team has been reported for trespassing."

( My bolding and emphasis to make the point).

Note, the dept. Comm said that the homeowner's (JoM's) actions had been assessed. Imo that means JoM relayed her side to Police directly and that included that she was/had just been or whatever dealing with snake at the time the DM (Imo) trespassed.

Moo I would think that assessment would formally be on record and documented.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/true...ws-story/79dd05e96be7b447c0fe0d9c26adf4ee?amp

 

[Kemug]

From this point forward, I am going to refer to Shannon as SM, Josie as JosM, Jess as JeM and Josh as JL. In my prior posts when referring to who lived at Oak Park when Gus went missing I always referred to Jess as JL.

It's very good of you to try to help us out here - but speaking for myself, I'll probably still be confused and have to keep referring back to your post!

 

[packetgravy]

I still think the person holding baby is JM, has very long legs

It is.

 

[Kemug]

Me too.

 

[jepop]

It's very good of you to try to help us out here - but speaking for myself, I'll probably still be confused and have to keep referring back to your post!

What can you do, with all the Js in this case?! I suppose it would be useful to have some agreed upon set of initials or variants that we can all use when posting to avoid confusion. But not sure what that would look like.

In the meantime, I think that distinguishing Josie M from Jess M by inserting the second letter of their names will work for me, and hopefully help anyone who happens to read my posts understand who I'm referring to. My personal preference is not to use full first names.

 

[Dotta]

What can you do, with all the Js in this case?! I suppose it would be useful to have some agreed upon set of initials or variants that we can all use when posting to avoid confusion. But not sure what that would look like.

In the meantime, I think that distinguishing Josie M from Jess M by inserting the second letter of their names will work for me, and hopefully help anyone who happens to read my posts understand who I'm referring to. My personal preference is not to use full first names.

Can't we just write names?

Jess/Josh/Josie???

The simpler, the better IMO

OR

SM/JM/JL and Jess?

I think I will stick to the above.

 

[jepop]

Can't we just write names?

Jess/Josh/Josie???

The simpler, the better IMO

OR

SM/JM/JL and Jess?

I think I will stick to the above.

Agree. Each to their own is the way, whatever works best. The context of a post will usually be enough anyway. I understand why we're asked to not use both first and surname when speculating, abiding by that is the main thing. I didn't realise until recently that JL were not the accepted initials for Gus'mum! Jmo

 

[Zedx]

Theres definitely snakes around that area and you would most likely see them (or at least their skin) sometimes but I really doubt thats the answer. No one in that area would cover up a snake bite, most would know what to do immediately too. honestly no one would judge that at all even if he wasnt being watched at that moment, country people understand these things can happen unexpectedly. some people would even think its cool/something to be proud of if you survived a bite.

Might be different if you knew your SIL was not happy with his child being on the property as he had said it was dangerous and now hes been proven right ! Your thinking now SIL may insist the baby brother cant stay there anymore and you were worried you may not see your daughter and grandson again because of what has happened to Gus???? MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

Might be different if you knew your SIL was not happy with his child being on the property as he had said it was dangerous and now hes been proven right ! Your thinking now SIL may insist the baby brother cant stay there anymore and you were worried you may not see your daughter and grandson again because of what has happened to Gus???? MOO

A missing child would have far more serious consequences along those lines than a snakebite. So there would be no good reason to hide a snake bite by hiding the child.

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

I still think the person holding baby is JM, has very long legs

I thought this too

 

[gerardo20]

SIL may insist the baby brother cant stay there anymore and you were worried you may not see your daughter and grandson again because of what has happened to Gus????

That is the best version of that line of thinking I have seen....It would explain a lot more than other suggestions (including abduction by a known person).

 

[alicrocodile]

That makes no sense, the dad would be fine with the baby staying there after his brother goes missing but would make it an issue for them over a bite, that most people around there would be very understanding of?

Honestly I think something happened that one or both of the grandparents caused, unintentionally or otherwise, that they covered up. Something that while possibly accidental would look much worse than a snake bite. If they were all that concerned about the dads reaction to a bite they all could've got help and just lied about where it happened. Anyway, i seriously doubt the dads issue with everyone staying there is because of a lack of snake safety. my opinion.

 

[pickle26]

Did they have other animals on the farm, such as pigs?

 

[SouthAussie]

Did they have other animals on the farm, such as pigs?

It is not a farm. It is a vast sheep station. Perhaps called a ranch, in some other countries.
There is no indication that any other livestock are present (from aerial photos).

imo