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I really hope it’s true that Jason O’Connell has an independent search team ready to go and begins his own investigation (as Rob Parsons did in the Celine Cremer case).
It's not really and Aussie thing to do. Usually we leave it to the police. Or we might find ourselves charged with interfering with an investigation
 
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It's not really and Aussie thing to do. Usually we leave it to the police. Or we might find ourselves charged with interfering with an investigation
And now he is complaining about the media attention after willfully making a post 2 days ago on a facebook group for Gus that apparently has journos in it.

If you don't want the attention , than don't talk in the first place IMO
Why post in the first place & not just go about your own business. I think it was a very foolish thing to do in a very active major crime investigation & than cry foul when it goes pear shape.

JMO
 
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It's not really and Aussie thing to do. Usually we leave it to the police. Or we might find ourselves charged with interfering with an investigation
If you read his public statement he says he will be conducting a search when police give him the ok
 
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ABC reports places searched were 30km and 24km west of Oak Park homestead.


Old Grampus, 24 km west of Oak Park homestead (also 24 mins).


Unlabelled buildings, 28 KMS west of Oak Park homestead.


The 24km distant one is likely to be old Grampus, the 30km Bullyaninnie (as reported by channel 9 or 10 or 7 up thread, though Google does not label).If you zoom in, these buildings are just off Bullyaninnie Road, 28km to the west of Oak Park and about 4-6 km west of Grampus homestead/buildings). Jmo
This site has Bullyaninnie marked, but incorrect spelling.

 

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Summary by DM reporter Ms Karleigh Smith 👍


This also covers material from earlier DM article which was behind paywall.
 
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I agree.
This empty farm would have made a perfect temporary hiding place.
Police were busy at Oak Park station that night looking for a boy.
Nobody mentioned this place.

This empty station is news to me.
I thought neighbours were nearby.

Hmmm... 🤔

JMO
How did it take the police 4 months to figure that out and search it?!
 
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Every so often it helps to switch your assumptions or give them a little shake up :) Like many (most?) people, I assumed the first person who withdrew cooperation was Josie - but what if it was Shannon. The discrepancies might have been in her story of the day’s timings. Then, while at the police station, a chat with Josie revealed to her that the police knew certain things and that she, by continuing to cooperate, could give them info that could either get Shannon in trouble or herself or the both of them. Maybe a line of questioning became uncomfortable. So Josie too withdrew cooperation?

I’m not saying that’s what I believe happened, just giving assumptions a shake to create other thoughts :)

All speculation and MOO.
 
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I personally think it was Shannon that stopped cooperating first and that Josie has withdrawn hers following the firearm charge. We will have to wait and see what the searches bring. Fingers crossed they find him.
 
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I personally think it was Shannon that stopped cooperating first and that Josie has withdrawn hers following the firearm charge.
I’m starting to think the same way.
 
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Perhaps worrying questions arose related to the police search of the two locations very recently? If so, that might be good in that it would show the police are on the right track.

Would any body simply be disposed of efficiently in the most hard to find place, or would there be an element of commemoration and care - eg in a place special from childhood, a secret pace discovered years ago, a place close to happy memories, a place with some mark invisible to others but known by those involved, a place that could be visited on occasion without the excuse of another reason?
 
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Perhaps worrying questions arose related to the police search of the two locations very recently? If so, that might be good in that it would show the police are on the right track.

Would any body simply be disposed of efficiently in the most hard to find place, or would there be an element of commemoration and care - eg in a place special from childhood, a secret pace discovered years ago, a place close to happy memories, a place with some mark invisible to others but known by those involved, a place that could be visited on occasion without the excuse of another reason?
I’m predicting if they are responsible for Gus’ disappearance there would be no commemoration or care shown. IMO

That’s from looking at many similar crimes.

The grandparents might be innocent. I’m not saying they are responsible.
 
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“I’m predicting if they are responsible for Gus’ disappearance there would be no commemoration or care shown. IMO”

Very sad if so @Ellery84 😔
 
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Per SAPOL, the firearms charges are unrelated to the October incident and unrelated to the current investigation/ evidence gathering concerning Gus's disappearance and presumed death.

I'm sure, in the interests of building and maintaining public trust, SAPOL aren't feeding the public false info when they unambiguously convey such a basic and uncomplicated statement. It's not some hidden message. Unrelated means unrelated. They want the public to know that and they want the media to know it .

When /if charges are laid, reporting on this case goes sub judice, but even now I don't see any media running opinion pieces where the substance is speculating on connections. All reports I've read have been careful to relay SAPOL's statement.

Imo police are likely looking ahead and being cautious and, dare I say it, fair. Although not sub judice, I'd imagine they are mindful of a time when there may be an arrest. I think this statement is an eg of proactive transparency, with one goal being to protect the right to fair trial for any potential defendant/s. Jmo
 
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I have been around guns for quite a while, both as shooter and observer on large properties in different states of Australia. I've never seen a shooter or a farmer use a silencer, but that's not to say it doesn't happen.

I can see the reason for it, if you're shooting at a mob of feral pests such as pigs, goats etc, a silencer might stop them from scattering immediately. You could eliminate more of them at once.
Silencers don’t actually ‘silence’ the shot though, it just lowers it so it’s not as ‘deafening’ . .. and possibly would lower the distance from which it could be heard. eg. from neighbouring property etc.

MOO
 
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Very normal to obtain legal representation to act on your behalf,legally, as per our rights we don’t have to comment or speak to police beyond confirming our id, and every lawyer would encourage you to invoke this right
100%
At the same we would have be careful not to obstruct the police / the investigation
 
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Every so often it helps to switch your assumptions or give them a little shake up :) Like many (most?) people, I assumed the first person who withdrew cooperation was Josie - but what if it was Shannon. The discrepancies might have been in her story of the day’s timings. Then, while at the police station, a chat with Josie revealed to her that the police knew certain things and that she, by continuing to cooperate, could give them info that could either get Shannon in trouble or herself or the both of them. Maybe a line of questioning became uncomfortable. So Josie too withdrew cooperation?

I’m not saying that’s what I believe happened, just giving assumptions a shake to create other thoughts :)

All speculation and MOO.
As ive said before, both lawyered up. Their lawyers would have told them to say nothing. You dont lawyer up, then talk. Nothing sinister about it. That's their right in Australia.
 
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