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Re the grandmothers - what do they care about the most, I wonder? Each other? Themselves? Their daughter? Their grandsons? Or is it the property maybe, beyond anything else?
If they're innocent and have already told SAPOL all they know, those priorities aren't necessarily in conflict enough to have to choose. If they were both involved in some capacity, might be different for both of them and reflect the role they each played in it.

It's a really good question that we don't know nearly enough to be able to answer.
 
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South Australian police have inspected an outhouse with freshly laid cement and a water tank as part of the latest search for missing four-year-old Gus Lamont in the state’s Mid North.
I could not imagine someone who lived out there ever contaminating a water tank.
Septic tanks but not water tanks.
But I would have thought that the water tanks would have all been searched when Gus first went missing in case he accidentally entered a tank. Same as they checked all the dams.
 
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I could not imagine someone who lived out there ever contaminating a water tank.
Septic tanks but not water tanks.
But I would have thought that the water tanks would have all been searched when Gus first went missing in case he accidentally entered a tank. Same as they checked all the dams.
True, water is a precious resource, especially out there. We do know a lot of "stuff" was lying around the property at the time Gus went missing, and I'm not sure where all the water tanks near the home were located, but is there a chance Gus was able to enter one and drowned? Death by misadventure because he was unsupervised for a period of time?

Talking about water tank deaths and periods of time passing, check out the Elisa Lam story.
 
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Think your questions here are important ones. I'm very curious if the second one stopped cooperating with SAPOL before or right after the firearms arrest.

From cases I've followed, it doesn't seem very uncommon for the partner of someone suspected of a crime who was initially helpful to LE to then stop helping and take the 'side' of that partner being investigated against police, particularly as the investigation ramps up enough to start feeling harassed. A lot of the time it seems to be feeling sorry for the partner ('they're all alone,' 'no one else believes them,' 'they need me,' 'the cops are picking on them,' 'it's not fair'), either believing innocence ('they could never') or feeling guilty, like it's a betrayal, for doubting innocence (or being made to feel guilty for it; 'You know me better than anyone, how could you believe I could ever kill someone?' paraphrasing many a killer), loyalty, as you say, getting sucked back into the 'we're a team, we're in this together, it's us against the world' mindset. Feelings of love, trust, history, loyalty, obligation don't just switch off when someone you have deep connections with is suspected of a terrible crime, they're both powerful forces that drive decisions all on their own and also things that can be actively manipulated by others.

But if this arrest was used as an opportunity to separate and question them, and the way it played out ended in the second one ending cooperation, it's possible something in the course of it made the previously cooperative non-suspect (or their lawyer) realize they were beginning to be implicated in this too, if they helped in a cover up or something of that nature. Or if somehow wholly innocent and genuinely in the dark as to what happened to Gus, possibly been shocked by the implications of the questions being asked, didn't believe it was possible the other could do what the police were suggesting, went into denial, whatever. Or even just realized that their own answers were beginning to make the suspect look more guilty, despite maybe initially believing that cooperating would help prove innocence. And any of those things could have been the push needed to comply with what the suspect probably already wanted, which was for them to help stonewall SAPOL, be a united front giving them nothing more than they already have.

JMO.
They have both lawyered up. It seems obvious to me that each lawyer would tell their client not to say another word. Especially without their lawyer present. Otherwise why lawyer up, then not heed their advice. It's their right not to speak. Nothing sinister about it.
 
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Going on what I read important information seems to have been dismissed by police when Jason O’Connell searched alongside Josh Lamont. I discovered it today while looking at Jasons fb page - it’s a public statement, no need to be friends, anyone can read it.
 
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They have both lawyered up. It seems obvious to me that each lawyer would tell their client not to say another word. Especially without their lawyer present. Otherwise why lawyer up, then not heed their advice. It's their right not to speak. Nothing sinister about it.
Very normal to obtain legal representation to act on your behalf,legally, as per our rights we don’t have to comment or speak to police beyond confirming our id, and every lawyer would encourage you to invoke this right
 
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I really hope it’s true that Jason O’Connell has an independent search team ready to go and begins his own investigation (as Rob Parsons did in the Celine Cremer case).
It's not really and Aussie thing to do. Usually we leave it to the police. Or we might find ourselves charged with interfering with an investigation
 
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It's not really and Aussie thing to do. Usually we leave it to the police. Or we might find ourselves charged with interfering with an investigation
And now he is complaining about the media attention after willfully making a post 2 days ago on a facebook group for Gus that apparently has journos in it.

If you don't want the attention , than don't talk in the first place IMO
Why post in the first place & not just go about your own business. I think it was a very foolish thing to do in a very active major crime investigation & than cry foul when it goes pear shape.

JMO
 
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It's not really and Aussie thing to do. Usually we leave it to the police. Or we might find ourselves charged with interfering with an investigation
If you read his public statement he says he will be conducting a search when police give him the ok
 
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And now he is complaining about the media attention after willfully making a post 2 days ago on a facebook group for Gus that apparently has journos in it.

If you don't want the attention , than don't talk in the first place IMO
Why post in the first place & not just go about your own business. I think it was a very foolish thing to do in a very active major crime investigation & than cry foul when it goes pear shape.

JMO
The article I’m referring to is directly below that.
 
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If you search Jason O’Connell on fb he has made a very interesting public statement.
I tried to attach the link but it didn’t work.
Maybe someone else can do that please.
Do you have his permission to share???
 
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ABC reports places searched were 30km and 24km west of Oak Park homestead.


Old Grampus, 24 km west of Oak Park homestead (also 24 mins).


Unlabelled buildings, 28 KMS west of Oak Park homestead.


The 24km distant one is likely to be old Grampus, the 30km Bullyaninnie (as reported by channel 9 or 10 or 7 up thread, though Google does not label).If you zoom in, these buildings are just off Bullyaninnie Road, 28km to the west of Oak Park and about 4-6 km west of Grampus homestead/buildings). Jmo
This site has Bullyaninnie marked, but incorrect spelling.

 

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Summary by DM reporter Ms Karleigh Smith 👍


This also covers material from earlier DM article which was behind paywall.
 
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Do you have his permission to share???
It’s a public statement. Do I need his permission? It’s there for anyone to read, I’m not friends with him , it’s not as though I’m breaking his confidentiality or anything along those lines. He mentions seeing something, hearing something and being told something about the family . I just wanted to share it with the group so we could all talk about it because he might’ve witnessed suspicious activity while searching alongside Josh Lamont…..

Edit it’s first hand information
 
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And now he is complaining about the media attention after willfully making a post 2 days ago on a facebook group for Gus that apparently has journos in it.

If you don't want the attention , than don't talk in the first place IMO
Why post in the first place & not just go about your own business. I think it was a very foolish thing to do in a very active major crime investigation & than cry foul when it goes pear shape.
Keep your hair on.
And here’s an eye roll right back at you 🙄
 
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Dbm
 
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I agree.
This empty farm would have made a perfect temporary hiding place.
Police were busy at Oak Park station that night looking for a boy.
Nobody mentioned this place.

This empty station is news to me.
I thought neighbours were nearby.

Hmmm... 🤔

JMO
How did it take the police 4 months to figure that out and search it?!
 
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Every so often it helps to switch your assumptions or give them a little shake up :) Like many (most?) people, I assumed the first person who withdrew cooperation was Josie - but what if it was Shannon. The discrepancies might have been in her story of the day’s timings. Then, while at the police station, a chat with Josie revealed to her that the police knew certain things and that she, by continuing to cooperate, could give them info that could either get Shannon in trouble or herself or the both of them. Maybe a line of questioning became uncomfortable. So Josie too withdrew cooperation?

I’m not saying that’s what I believe happened, just giving assumptions a shake to create other thoughts :)

All speculation and MOO.
 

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