Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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For me
"not cooperating" means "no comment" while waiting for a lawyer ;)

Which, in fact, is recommended.

But seriously,
being named a suspect means trouble IMO.
It is worse than POI, right?

JMO

The recent high profile Greg Lynn case, highlights the fine line police tread between POI and suspect.

A lot of incriminating lies in his original interview at his home, were thrown out in court because he wasn't cautioned first. The judge said he should have been treated as a suspect (i.e. formally cautioned), but the police felt it wasn't at that stage yet and considered him a POI.

Then they caution someone and they get a lawyer and clam up. Can't win.
 
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... or more likely, archived commercial satellite imagry used for surveillance?
The best commercial satellites currently available have a resolution of 30 cm per pixel. A sample image is attatched. The photos shown in the presser are not from a satellite but a drone, and the LE most certainly does not have a timeline of daily drone surveillance from the property, so there will not be any images from the day Gus allegedly went missing.

Photo from the European Space Agency
 

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Those images shown in the presser are not satellite but drone photos. With current technology you cannot take an image that detailed from a satellite. There is absolutely no technology available today that will monitor the entire earth daily with that resolution. Satellites have set trajectories and schedules. And images from lower devices are also taken on a schedule (such as land survey photos, which are done using light aircrafts), or on order, which was done in Gus’ case using drones. I can’t find the articles about the search at a quick glance because google search is flooded with current news, but from my recollection the drone imagery was done some time at the end of last year. Somebody in this thread talked about the capabilities of lidar, because it was either implied or assumed the LE would be using that. I’ll try to find the relevant post and link it when I’ve submitted this one. But I just want to emphasise that the photos shown in the latest presser are most definitely not from a satellite from the day Gus went missing, those are images taken at a later date with a drone.

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Here’s the excellent post drones and lidar, and it also gives a rough time when the LE were utilising more advanced drones.
Yes, if the original OP watches the presser on the aerial searches conducted by investigators and the Task Force all the info is there. IMO images were taken on a few, discrete and separate occasions in Oct last year; one (or two ) occasions by drone and then a weekend of aerial mapping using specialised camera equipment mounted in an aeroplane. The images were then sent to an AI company who analysed them, resulting in the slides we saw at the presser. Moo

ETA link
 
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For me
"not cooperating" means "no comment" while waiting for a lawyer ;)

Which, in fact, is recommended.

But seriously,
being named a suspect means trouble IMO.
It is worse than POI, right?

JMO

Yes agreed. Its most likely the person stopped cooperating after being formally cautioned that they are a suspect and quite fair that they procure a lawyer.
Yes, for sure. They're in trouble.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like investigators are alluding that Gus was removed from the vicinity at some point. I wonder if they have some sort of evidence to that effect?
 
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isn’t it more likely that the suspect is the one who hired a defence lawyer, than the one who hired a criminal lawyer?
SM looked very fragile and upset when they were photographed out shopping, JM much less so.
I think JM rules that station with an iron fist,
 
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IMO all that we have known before the presser is mostly fabricated - pertaining to timelines, alibis and anything that has come from the family.

The facts start at when the police were called at 8pm.

I don’t know if this theory has been brought up but what if Gus was riding on the back of the motorbike and fell off. I still don’t feel strongly about it.

With such a remote, private family where we don’t know much about them or their dynamic, none of the other theories have resonated either.

Do we have a timeline of police activity/searches reported and what was performed at each?

SAPOL have undoubtedly done some amazing work on this case to date given they’re looking for a needle in a haystack.
 
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Sorry to return to this contentious subject (might be my last post on the subject for a while), but I think you will find that this was trespassing. There was a No Trespassing sign (I have posted the image a couple of times). Plus the police had asked/told the media to stay away. That changes things.

The following article is about a South Australian case. Someone was awarded a civil monetary award ($40,000) by the courts because the police served him a summons at his home when he had a No Trespassing sign up.


.... officers should be aware that occupiers of premises can revoke the common law implied licence to enter their premises either by having a visible sign at the premises, by verbal revocation or by physical barrier (e.g. closed gates).

In such circumstances, absent any statutory authority or warrant to enter the premises, entry may be unauthorised and could amount to trespass and an adverse award of damages.

I'm likewise not inclined to rehash this. I just want to note the context around when this happened.

1) the was no evidence of foul play, family cooperating. Family considered victims on WS.
2) SAPOL had clearly communicated to the public that the request of the entire family was could the media give them space to grieve and process in private ( don't be unnecessarily invasive)
3) Every media outlet respected that request except the DM who went onto the property, passed a no trespassing sign and continued in to the homestead unsolicited.

Imo, given that context the DM had no business to be there, 'technically' trespassing or not.

IIRC This all happened a day or so prior to SAPOL dam drain near the actual homestead. Moo

ETA Thank you for providing some at the time context for the OP you are responding to.
 
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isn’t it more likely that the suspect is the one who hired a defence lawyer, than the one who hired a criminal lawyer?

Andrew Ey and Casey Isaacs are both criminal defence lawyers.


Casey Isaacs is a highly respected criminal defence lawyer with more than two decades’ experience practising exclusively in criminal law. He is recognised in Doyle’s Guide as a Leading South Australian Criminal Defence Lawyer, a distinction awarded based on peer review by fellow criminal lawyers and barristers for demonstrated expertise, ability and standing in the profession.


... our newly appointed partner Andrew Ey has been named as a recommended leading solicitor in criminal defence
(in the Doyles Guide).


 
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I'm likewise not inclined to rehash this. I just want to note the context around when this happened.

1) the was no evidence of foul play, family cooperating. Family considered victims on WS.
2) SAPOL had clearly communicated to the public that the request of the entire family was could the media give them space to grieve and process in private ( don't be unnecessarily invasive)
3) Every media outlet respected that request except the DM who went onto the property, passed a no trespassing sign and continued in to the homestead unsolicited.

Imo, given that context the DM had no business to be there, 'technically' trespassing or not.

IIRC This all happened a day or so prior to SAPOL dam drain near the actual homestead. Moo

...and then published an article showing video and photos of themselves actively trespassing and containing subject matter that has nothing to do with the disappearance of Gus and everything to do with spreading conspiracies and by golly gosh...mission accomplished.
 
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Isn't it strange
that Police were called so late, when night already fell?
Then were directed to the vast outback with the story of "wandering off"?
So much time passed with fruitless searches.
Didn't the native tracker say the boy never put his foot out there?

4 months have passed.
And only now a car, a bike, phones, computers were taken for analysis.

Clearly cleaned of alleged evidence.
The alleged perp/s had much time to clear everything, no?

Although,
some say one can never get rid of evidence completely.
And deleted data can be retrieved.

Let's see what twists the future brings in this case.

JMO
 
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Andrew Ey and Casey Isaacs are both criminal defence lawyers.


Casey Isaacs is a highly respected criminal defence lawyer with more than two decades’ experience practising exclusively in criminal law. He is recognised in Doyle’s Guide as a Leading South Australian Criminal Defence Lawyer, a distinction awarded based on peer review by fellow criminal lawyers and barristers for demonstrated expertise, ability and standing in the profession.


... our newly appointed partner Andrew Ey has been named as a recommended leading solicitor in criminal defence
(in the Doyles Guide).


From : Summary Offences Act 1953

I’m not a lawyer, but I actually went and read the SA Act people keep waving around, and here’s my take.

In South Australia the “trespassers on premises” offence people are hinting at is in the Summary Offences Act s 17A. The mechanism is basically this: someone trespasses in a way that interferes with the occupier, an authorised person asks them to leave, and then the person either refuses to leave forthwith or comes back again within 24 hours.

Now look at what we can actually see in the video. The reporter is told to leave, and she leaves. Immediately. That is literally the opposite of what s 17A is trying to punish. You don’t get to call it “trespass” as a gotcha when the moment the occupier withdraws consent the person complies.

The sign point is the same story. A sign can revoke implied permission in some circumstances, sure, but it doesn’t magically turn “walk up, ask for comment, leave when told” into a criminal offence. Where was the sign. Was there a closed gate. Was it obvious before entry. Was the normal access to the front door blocked. None of that is being shown here, it’s just assumed.

And the “SAPOL told the media to stay away” line keeps getting repeated like it’s proven fact. How do you know every outlet got that notice. You don’t. And even if police said it publicly, that still isn’t the same thing as the occupier personally asking someone to leave under s 17A unless you can show police were acting with the occupier’s authority.

Also, public interest matters in plain English terms. A missing child, family on a remote property, a journalist seeking comment, that’s exactly the kind of scenario where “approach the front door and ask” is normal conduct. You can hate the Daily Mail all you want, but wanting comment on that situation is not some random nuisance visit.

What’s wild to me is watching people bend over backwards on a shaky “trespass” claim to justify someone coming out with a gun. That’s not normal, and it’s not responsible. I’m glad we have strict gun laws in Australia, because some people clearly think a firearm is a reasonable response to the slightest inconvenience, and that mindset is exactly why the laws exist.

And if you both “don’t want to rehash this”, stop rehashing it. You keep bringing it back up, and every time it’s the same leap from “sign” to “crime” with none of the actual elements.
 
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Anyone have read access to this article?

The title implies it provides history about Josie Murray that I seek to confirm.

At the least, the title implies Josie [replace that with Vincent Pfieffer] has military history...

"A patriarch scarred by horrors of war, and two very unusual marriages: We reveal the deeply complicated world of Gus Lamont's Outback family"


ETA: It was Shannon's dad with military history, not Josie. Credit @SouthAussie.
 
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Anyone have read access to this article?

The title implies it provides history about Josie Murray that I seek to confirm. At the least, the title implies she has military history... so for now that can replace my statement above about her gun prowess

"A patriarch scarred by horrors of war, and two very unusual marriages: We reveal the deeply complicated world of Gus Lamont's Outback family"


The article speaks of Shannon's dad, Vincent Pfeiffer, as a patriarch scarred by horrors of war. Not Josie.

Vincent was a Lance Corporal who became a prisoner of war in 1942/1943.
He was one of a handful of people who survived the atomic bomb in Nagasaki (as a POW) after first being imprisoned in Changi where POWs were made to work on the construction of the Burma Railway - also known as the Death Railway due to the perilous conditions for the workers.
 
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What’s wild to me is watching people bend over backwards on a shaky “trespass” claim to justify someone coming out with a gun. That’s not normal, and it’s not responsible. I’m glad we have strict gun laws in Australia, because some people clearly think a firearm is a reasonable response to the slightest inconvenience, and that mindset is exactly why the laws exist.
What’s wild to me is people ignoring that trespassing is not okay. Especially if it’s gutter press like the DM. It’s not like J stepped out with the gun drawn and pointed at the “journalists”. She was simply holding it.

One of my neighbours liked to test out his 4wd in the stream bordering my property and they’d often get stuck and winch off of trees on my property, damaging the trees (plus the stream banks). I usually just found tracks and cursed under my breath but one time I was chopping firewood and heard him struggling and immediately went over to ask him to stop using my property. We had a very civil discussion and he never trespassed again.
But the entire time we were talking I had an axe in my hand, which I didn’t even realise at the time, because it didn’t register in my head as a threat or anything. I had been using it and forgot to drop it as I walked over to the stream. I had no ill intentions approaching him, I just wanted to ask him nicely to stop using my property. I have no idea how he saw the interaction, maybe in his mind a crazy lady wielding an axe demanded that he never stop foot there ever again. It’s all a matter of perspective and to me, the perspective of a sensationalist journo is not believable.
 
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Isn't it strange
that Police were called so late, when night already fell?
Then were directed to the vast outback with the story of "wandering off"?
So much time passed with fruitless searches.
Didn't the native tracker say the boy never put his foot out there?

4 months have passed.
And only now a car, a bike, phones, computers were taken for analysis.

Clearly cleaned of alleged evidence.
The alleged perp/s had much time to clear everything, no?

Although,
some say one can never get rid of evidence completely.
And deleted data can be retrieved.

Let's see what twists the future brings in this case.

JMO

To me, it doesn't sound like taking electronic devices, car and bike were an afterthought.

It's possible the courts delayed the warrant for some reason. Also possible they had other means to gather evidence. Perhaps phone taps etc that don't require taking physical possession.

Yes, I remember the tracker saying that. Also the neighbour said that too.

 

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