Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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If aerial images from the day Gus went missing don't exist, why do we think the presser revealed/highlighted the technology?

The suspect knows the technology hasn't found Gus yet. I can't see someone who has held out this long confessing, without Gus and more evidence being found. Until then, the suspect will be thinking, let me wait and see what they've got.
Or more likely, the suspect may become stressed and talk on listening devices and or visit the location of Gus’ body to “check” on it or otherwise relocate it. While police surveil the movements. IMO
 
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what would be the significance of someone on a motorcycle?
I'm sure they're driving around regularly on that property to work, round up farm animals etc., look for a missing child ...
anyone have any guesses?
Personally, I think most likely just an interesting eg pointed out to showcase the kind of detail the AI analysis produced.

IIUC the AI images were derived from about two days in mid or late Oct (can't recall exact dates) of a specialised camera taking photos from a small aircraft flying over the area. It was the subsequent AI analysis ( which took several weeks I think) which made that level of detail possible. So Imo the rider could be anyone who was working/riding in the area on those two days. The aerial photography extended outside the boundaries of Oak Park too, and I'm not sure the approx location of the rider was revealed in the presser. Maybe someone else noted that. Jmo

I've read various opinions- that it was the suspect being pointed out for eg. Could be I guess. Both JM and SM live at Oak Park and could have been coincidentally captured out on the station when the aerial photography was conducted. And then the level of detail allowed investigators to ID the person on the bike. Idk if that is technically feasible. Someone else might. Moo
 
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As a lurker, read this thread start to finish and felt compelled to make an account with this new, sadly expected development. As others have noted, a large amount of what we've been told hasn't been confirmed at all but instead are statements that this presser cast in doubt by alluding to inconsistencies in the narrative. And beyond that, a lot of hearsay and rumors vaguely insinuating things about the larger context of this situation, and a lot to try to read between the lines, decipher subtext, interpret what little is being said and just as importantly what isn't being said. So here's my attempt to lay out some significant seeming details, and see how they might fit together, my own opinion and conjecture only.

The most widely repeated narrative of the timeline is that grandmother Shannon Murray was watching Gus and Ronnie while Jess and Josie worked far off on the property, that as of 5:00 pm Gus was left playing outside in a pile of sand/dirt while she prepared dinner and tended to his little brother and that at 5:30 pm when she went to call him in, he had vanished. I don't recall ever seeing a timeline for when Jess and Josie returned and/or were informed that Gus was missing, but from there they searched for several hours before calling the police, who arrived about an hour later, after nightfall. The police involvement is the only genuinely documented part of this whole story, the rest would depend on statements from the family about what happened leading up to that point, which we've now been told are inconsistent enough to make someone a suspect. The only trace found after an exhaustive search was a footprint that might have been made by Gus, but (if I recall correctly) the tracker said could have been left over a week before the day Gus as reported missing. The police no longer believe the story that he wandered off. There have been other anomalies with the usual course of missing children cases; the long delay before a single photo was released, the lack of direct appeal to the public. You may or may not have raised an eyebrow over these things, they're open to interpretation but not really conclusive of anything alone.

The police have said that neither of his parents are suspects/the suspect. Whether they've been actively ruled out or the police are working an angle remains to be seen, but they have made it clear that the suspect they were speaking of in the presser is not either of them, and by process of elimination with other official statements made that seems to point solidly at a grandparent (more on that shortly). We were told that Josh Lamont had not been informed that his son was missing until police contacted him, waking him early the next morning. We've heard less officially that Josh and Josie were at odds, that he was not staying on the property because of it, and that he felt it was unsafe for his children to be there (for unspecified reasons). It could potentially be read into this mentioned hostility that his relationship with Shannon was significantly better. We've heard that he and Jess were still in a relationship, though a 'commuter' one, and he was fixing up a home for his family to live in together and had planned to have Gus enrolled in a nearby preschool in the coming term. We've also heard that they mostly already lived together in a home owned by Shannon in Adelaide, with Jess presumably going out to Oak Park Station periodically to help her elderly parents manage it and bringing their children with her. I may be misremembering if it was established what Josh does for a living, but I believe it was implied it was mainly odd jobs rather than something more regular and structured? Which if so could potentially further speak to the extent of the hostility between Josh and Josie, if he were unwelcome on the property even temporarily when extra hands were needed (may also be misremembering if it was established if Josh was experienced working with sheep), if he had an open enough schedule to allow him to do so. We've heard particularly unsubstantiated rumors that Josh has a mouth that's made him some enemies and that Jess is painfully shy but very smart.

We've heard that Oak Park Station was in Jess's family for generations, that Shannon inherited it from her mother, Clair Jones, presumably intended to be passed on to Jess, and had he lived, maybe eventually on to Gus. We've heard that Jess's grandfather, Vincent Pfeiffer, was integral to running it while he was alive and was very much the patriarch figure of the family/property. We don't know the nature of the current property ownership, who is on the deed under what terms. We've heard that Josie's *preemptive mod snip by me* happened after Vincent died (and I believe that Clair died before him?). There is some uncertainty around whether Shannon and Josie are still married, or what the exact nature of their relationship to one another is now (not that relationships are always what they seem from the outside looking in anyway).

We've heard the Oak Park Station family is liked and respected in the area generally, and friends and neighbors have spoken to the media on their behalf, called them good people, expressed indignation about speculation that Gus may not have wandered off, helped search. We've heard that they are at least somewhat involved in their very rural community, but are also very private people. Some of the high regard expressed for the family seems to be inherited from the esteem the community held for Vincent (this is a familiar dynamic from my own rural hometown with deep generational roots; you get somewhat judged by who your family is). We don't know how close people in the community really are to any of them, though, if there are any people who are truly inner circle for Jess, Shannon, and/or Josie, who are confided in, who spend one on one time together. So we don't really know if anyone outside of the family would actually know if there was something wrong going on behind the scenes, or if that high esteem comes from being people who 'keep themselves to themselves' and don't cause trouble for their neighbors, maybe help out with community concerns, and seem pleasant enough in brief interactions. Of all people outside the Oak Park Station clan, Josh might be the most inner-circle 'outsider' due to his relationship with Jess...and his reportedly antagonistic relationship with Josie. We've also heard from a friend of Josh, who helped him search at least one night and seemed to express some skepticism about the whole thing, and might consider that he's most likely basing his interpretations on what Josh has told him (bearing in mind that Josh might not be a reliable narrator himself, particularly if he holds any anger and/or resentment about the whole situation leading up to this tragedy). We've heard Josh is furious, and the divide has worsened in the aftermath, that things were said that can't be unsaid, that he isn't welcome on the property.

Circling back to the official release, we know that police have said they have a suspect, no longer believe Gus wandered off, don't believe he was abducted. Believe he is dead. At the least, their latest statement implies that his death was covered up by this suspect and the 'wandered off' narrative was fabricated as part of this. It is unclear whether they believe he had an accident or this suspect hurt him, and they might not have come to a conclusion on this themselves. They have reported that they've seized vehicles and devices from the property. They have reported that there were inconsistencies in the narrative the family provided. They have said that neither of the parents is this suspect. They stated that no one was on the property at the time Gus vanished other than the three adults (I do think it's likely this was a misstatement and they just forgot to include Ronnie in that count, since he couldn't be reasonably looked at as a suspect), although they also stated that they are still looking into when Gus can last be confirmed alive rather than relying on the family's word. If taken at face value, this narrows the suspect down to the grandparents. They reported that the suspect has lawyered up and stopped cooperating. Both Shannon and Josie have reportedly employed high level criminal defense lawyers. It's been stated that Shannon is still cooperating with the investigation. If that's true, that implies Josie is the suspect.

We know Josie has a temper and a gun (outside of the police statement, this is one of the few things we do actually know). We know Josie has been photographed and filmed interacting with police and searchers, has seemed to be the one directing them and the one making direct statements (such as 'you can't help'), has been the most public face of the family. As the public from the outside looking in, Shannon and Jess are ghosts. Jess's whereabouts unknown since this started and shown only by photos lifted from social media, Shannon photographed a couple of times now in public places from a distance, always out with Josie. I find it slightly strange that, as someone who was named by the family as the last person to see Gus alive, Shannon has been so invisible in this, including when the media were first there in the initial search taking photos. No photos of her walking them through the last moments she saw before Gus 'wandered off.' Just Josie. It does make me wonder about the dynamics of this family.

But if (again, IF, this is based on piecing together a lot of different accounts that may not be accurate) Josie is the one and only suspect, how could that fit in with everything else? How would Jess and Shannon not know something else happened, particularly because one or both would have had to lie to support that narrative? Wouldn't that at least make them suspects for complicity in a cover-up, which would put them on equal footing with the suspect in event of an accident? Unless. Remember that nothing about that initial narrative before the police were called is confirmed. Just one slight change could change everything. Consider the possibility that Josie was at home with the children and Shannon was out working with Jess when whatever happened to Gus happened. Consider the possibility that Jess and Shannon were then told that Gus was playing on the dirt pile and wandered off instead of the truth. And consider the possibility that they decided (or were told) to tell a lie that seemed like a small, harmless one when they couldn't find him and decided to call the police: that Shannon had been the one watching him when he disappeared. A lie that would be almost irrelevant if he had just walked off into the scrub and gotten lost, and certainly wouldn't have made any difference to how quickly they could find him if you just swapped one grandma in the story for another, right? I can think of a couple of solid reasons that could motivate this particular lie. One, to protect Josie from being looked at with more suspicion than Shannon might be due to *preemptive mod snip by me* and provide an alibi, far off with Jess when it happened. 'They'll think I did something bad to him but will believe her.' And/or two, maybe Josh didn't want Josie watching his kids and would have been angry if he'd found out. Would be more likely to forgive a lapse in supervision if he believed it was Shannon. Maybe Josie, temper included, was why Josh didn't think his kids were safe there, not the land.

Again, my own opinion and conjecture only. I have additional questions and suspicions, but a public forum isn't the place for them and this is already a novel.

Yes, a bit of a novel but a very good overview. :)

Just a couple of other considerations. As was pointed out by @Lucy6226 yesterday, it is also possible that Josie is protecting Shannon. The aggression comes from wanting to protect her.

And as Jess would know who was with her that day, she would be complicit if she was lying.
Is she complicit in a lie but is now acting as a witness (hence, the newly announced major crime), or is she not lying?

imo
 
  • #4,464
I read or saw something about virtual fences.

This is a way LE could of been tracking vehicle movements.

Posted a snippet below followed by the source link.

"Virtual fence security systems create invisible, digital perimeters using technologies like AI-powered cameras, radar, and sensors to detect, track, and alert against unauthorized intrusion without physical barriers. These systems are ideal for large, critical, or remote areas, offering flexible zoning, reduced costs, and real-time alerts to security personnel."

"Newer, high-end systems use direct-to-satellite links, which truly allows for operation in the most remote corners of the Earth."

 
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It's been stated that Shannon is still cooperating with the investigation.
Where and when was this statement made?
 
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I can't recall, from the press conference, which national park the police said would be searched (or a section of, I presume). How far is this from the homestead? Could it be that a vehicle was used to move Gus on the day he went missing and a similar journey has been detected, perhaps using the motorbike, more recently? Perhaps these journeys are anomalies? Would the national park have any CCTV that they've been seen on, with the CCTV taking months to sift through?
JMO.
 
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I do have to wonder, if this was an accident, why cover it up?! We have seen this in other cases, and IMO there has to be a very good reason to do so in order to make the coverup worth it. It is usually not a good enough reason, and ends up badly anyways with the truth eventually coming out.
Not buying cover up of an accident and by the
What’s wild to me is people ignoring that trespassing is not okay. Especially if it’s gutter press like the DM. It’s not like J stepped out with the gun drawn and pointed at the “journalists”. She was simply holding it.

One of my neighbours liked to test out his 4wd in the stream bordering my property and they’d often get stuck and winch off of trees on my property, damaging the trees (plus the stream banks). I usually just found tracks and cursed under my breath but one time I was chopping firewood and heard him struggling and immediately went over to ask him to stop using my property. We had a very civil discussion and he never trespassed again.
But the entire time we were talking I had an axe in my hand, which I didn’t even realise at the time, because it didn’t register in my head as a threat or anything. I had been using it and forgot to drop it as I walked over to the stream. I had no ill intentions approaching him, I just wanted to ask him nicely to stop using my property. I have no idea how he saw the interaction, maybe in his mind a crazy lady wielding an axe demanded that he never stop foot there ever again. It’s all a matter of perspective and to me, the perspective of a sensationalist journo is not believable.

The thing is the grandparent with the gun didn't ask nicely...
 
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From what we now know, long-term abuse seems unlikely. We know that Gus was not ordinarily resident on the station and that his parents have been ruled out by LE as being involved in his disappearance.

This doesn't rule out long term abuse of another nature and in fact might make it more likely.
 
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I can't recall, from the press conference, which national park the police said would be searched (or a section of, I presume). How far is this from the homestead? Could it be that a vehicle was used to move Gus on the day he went missing and a similar journey has been detected, perhaps using the motorbike, more recently? Perhaps these journeys are anomalies? Would the national park have any CCTV that they've been seen on, with the CCTV taking months to sift through?
JMO.

They didn't name the national park, but said it was "adjacent" to the property. Link

Google says that the closest national park to the homestead is the Pualco Range Conservation Park.
Looks adjacent on the map.

I would be surprised if it had CCTV, considering its remoteness.

b.webp


 
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I can't recall, from the press conference, which national park the police said would be searched (or a section of, I presume). How far is this from the homestead? Could it be that a vehicle was used to move Gus on the day he went missing and a similar journey has been detected, perhaps using the motorbike, more recently? Perhaps these journeys are anomalies? Would the national park have any CCTV that they've been seen on, with the CCTV taking months to sift through?
JMO.
Paulco Range Conservation Park, which is roughly 13km from Oak Park Station. You can stand on the hill and see Oak Park homestead from the distance.

Oak Park Station fence line borders onto the Park and also has a gate on that boundary which is locked.

Someone with local knowledge @zesszesszess posted this information way back in the thread.
 
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RS&BBM.
Fyi. Just correcting specific info stated as fact. The family ( that includes the grandparents) released a statement when Gus was originally reported missing. Was reported on by multiple msm. Just linking one fyi.


A family friend said it not them afaik!?
 
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I can't seem to reply to the post on last page about the car the GPs own. I don't know if the blurred out bit included this information on forensic tracking capabilities:

Digital Forensics (The "Black Box")
If police seize the vehicle after a crime, they don’t need a live signal to know where it’s been. Modern cars are essentially "computers on wheels":
Infotainment Data: High-trim models (LS-U, X-Terrain) with built-in SatNav store recent destinations, track logs, and even "frequent locations." Forensic tools like Berla allow police to download this history.
Connected Devices: If a phone was plugged into Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, the car's head unit might store call logs, contact lists, and potentially location data synced from the phone's apps.
Event Data Recorder (EDR): The D-MAX’s Intelligent Driver Assistance System (IDAS) monitors sensors for safety. In the event of a crash or "event," the EDR records speed, braking, and steering data for the seconds surrounding the incident.

Real-Time Tracking (Active Services)
If the vehicle is a newer model (roughly 2021+) or part of a business fleet, it may have active telematics:
Isuzu Connect: In some regions, Isuzu offers an integrated telematics system. If this is active, the vehicle transmits real-time GPS coordinates, speed, and engine status to a server. Police can access this data with a warrant by contacting Isuzu or the service provider.

Source: https://brendaleisuzuute.com.au/isu...stantly monitors your surrounding environment.
 
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Not buying cover up of an accident and by the


The thing is the grandparent with the gun didn't ask nicely...
Agree, and telling them to "shut ya face" was pretty rude and also classic bogan Australian.
 
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Paulco Range Conservation Park, which is roughly 13km from Oak Park Station. You can stand on the hill and see Oak Park homestead from the distance.

Oak Park Station fence line borders onto the Park and also has a gate on that boundary which is locked.

Someone with local knowledge @zesszesszess posted this information way back in the thread.
Thank you.
 
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A family friend said it not them afaik!?
The family friend READ it, as in read it out loud, according to the articles. Not quite the same meaning as "said" it, to make it distinct.
 
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The family friend READ it, as in read it out loud, according to the articles. Not quite the same meaning as "said" it, to make it distinct.
Thank you. The original OP stated as if fact that the GPS had never made any statement in relation to Gus before the recent one. Infact, the GPS were part of a family statement when Gus first went missing. Yes, a family friend delivered that statement. I misread the second post as rumour ie that a family friend said they (the gps) were not part of that early statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
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Defence lawyer Casey Isaacs, representing Shannon Murray, specifically told media, "We have been co-operating but we won't be commenting."

Source:
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Every defence lawyer says his client is cooperating with the LE. That's one. Two, the joint statement issued by both lawyers claims both grandpatennts are cooperative (because see point one). Three, from the context in the text you provided, it seems Shannon's lawyer was talking about his cooperation with Josie's lawyer, not her cooperation with the LE.

Conclusion: we do not have enough info to tell which grandparent is uncooperative.

MOO 🐄
 

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