Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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It's very easy to be completely in control of everything and everyone in your domain when you live in an isolated place like this. I think we saw aggression and hostility from Josie because that domain had been invaded and that control was under threat.

Like many others, I think there are secrets in this family, most likely dark ones and the seizure of the computer may be very relevant in that respect.
 
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Why should she? The press were told by the police to stay away. DM even ignored the do not trespass sign. I'd be angry too.
And I didn't say that she should... (my comment was a little tongue in cheek and is in reference to the story in the post I responded to). To me the grandparent's reaction was exceptionally aggressive and suggests a dangerous underlying temperament. Also in my opinion suggests that in addition to protecting their property, might be protecting (covering up) the truth, which to me doesn't seem too far fetched, considering that the police are now treating this as a major crime.
 
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Why should she? The press were told by the police to stay away. DM even ignored the do not trespass sign. I'd be angry too.

It seems to me that there’s a very big glaring point in this thread in regards to the reporter fiasco that continues to be overlooked here.

The reporter claims to have left the property after being told to, but not before already recording the family on private property without consent, which is not lawful and also not ethical conduct for a journalist.

But it gets worse. Not only did she or her entourage record them without their permission on private property, she then took the highly unethical choice to upload that footage via social media to presumably make a name for herself. Again, without permission, and against the law and journalist ethics.

These hack journos love dishing out their opinions in the press, but can’t tolerate any pushback when society fights back, which may explain the absence of reporting on this case since the drama and a reemergence since the recent press release.

DM is renowned for junk reporting and junk reporters. It’s not a shock, but it’s still disgraceful.

IMO
 
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I'm not sure treating Media as enemy is a good strategy if a family member is missing.
In such cases
the more reports and Media coverage,
the better IMO.
Gaining general public's sympathy and help might prove vital.

But, in this case,
the belligerence is understandable now.

After all, as was reported,
a family member is considered a suspect.
So...no surprise.

JMO

I’ve had recent experience with media and I wasn’t even a suspect in a crime - just a witness. They are in the majority the lowest of the low and the DM is the absolute bottom of the barrel.

But I do agree that I still found the actions of JM disproportionate. JM would have had a long heads up that there was a car on the property due to the dust plume. Typically remote farmers would use that long gap to be prepared for their guests. I think JM was prepared with a gun. IMO
 
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The Tracker of Gus Lamont is Ronald Boland. In the dailymail article:

'I was the Aboriginal tracker who searched for missing boy Gus Lamont, 4. This is my surprising take on the investigation - and the ancient tricks we use to find what no-one else can'​

By KARLEIGH SMITH, SENIOR NEWS REPORTER, AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 00:09 AEDT, 29 October 2025 | UPDATED: 00:09 AEDT, 29 October 2025

Mr Boland states:
'Police will find him, they will. They do what they do best, I do what I do best.' He added: 'One day I will tell the story (about Gus)'

Perhaps Ronald Boland has located tracks indicating movements of a motor bike and vehicles going in directions offering an indication of movements in conflict with statements made by individuals? Perhaps Mr Boland has found clues that movements and those marks--those tracks in the dirt speak of a conflict involving individuals movements, whereabouts and claimed statements.
We have a child playing outside who suddenly disappears into thin air, but the tracks in the dirt tell us what really happened.
IMO
 
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Personally, I think most likely just an interesting eg pointed out to showcase the kind of detail the AI analysis produced.

IIUC the AI images were derived from about two days in mid or late Oct (can't recall exact dates) of a specialised camera taking photos from a small aircraft flying over the area. It was the subsequent AI analysis ( which took several weeks I think) which made that level of detail possible. So Imo the rider could be anyone who was working/riding in the area on those two days. The aerial photography extended outside the boundaries of Oak Park too, and I'm not sure the approx location of the rider was revealed in the presser. Maybe someone else noted that. Jmo

I've read various opinions- that it was the suspect being pointed out for eg. Could be I guess. Both JM and SM live at Oak Park and could have been coincidentally captured out on the station when the aerial photography was conducted. And then the level of detail allowed investigators to ID the person on the bike. Idk if that is technically feasible. Someone else might. Moo

ok I must be not understanding what AI is - I didn't think it showed actual real photos - anytime I see an example of AI pics online, it's fake pictures so I don't get the references to AI with a real picture


BBM

I grew up on a hobby farm in rural Appalachia, and this has been my experience too, save one family in the area. They're all 'nice.' Their own daughter was about my age and we played together as children, the mother worked at the local store for many years and we'd always chat with her when we ran into her, very pleasant but very superficial interactions, the father was the most reclusive but would still be friendly enough the few times anyone ran into him (no one knows much about him). But the mother and now adult daughter have increasingly dropped out of sight over the years. The last time my mom saw them, she was driving home and passed them all taking a walk near their property and stopped to say hi. The mother and daughter immediately turned away and covered their ears until she drove off, while the father just chatted with her a bit like nothing was strange about this. My mom verbatim described them as 'very shy.' But something's wrong there, whether mental illness or CC/DV, extreme religious beliefs (their property has something of the look and feel of a cult compound), something else or a combination of things. Not enough to go on to call a welfare check or other services, no one's asked for help, and of everyone I know in that area the father is the one I could see pulling a Josie and shouting at them with a gun if someone actually ventured onto the property uninvited and asked if they were ok (in a community where everyone has firearms and everyone's homes are set back from easy public access). They're who the Oak Park Station family remind me of.

I share your suspicions. I love living in isolated areas for the privacy and freedom, but that same privacy they offer can be a draw for people with secrets to keep because it makes a huge difference not having neighbors close enough to overhear or see anything suspicious enough to get involved, interfere. I wonder how often Shannon makes it off the property on her own. The same long dusty roads that make it so unlikely that anyone could have arrived and abducted Gus without being noticed would also make it hard for someone to leave without being noticed. In the few recent images we have of her, she looks like she could be physically frail, which I think can lead to thinking she wouldn't be up to the manual labor out on the property (which she's likely been doing all of her life), but people similarly tend to stoop/hunch up like that when they're living life walking on eggshells, fearful, submissive. Josie meanwhile comes across as much more confident, squared off. I wonder if Jess was still kept on a tight leash (say, she risked losing her inheritance of her family property if she didn't 'follow the rules') when she was off with Josh, if the potential looming date of her moving out more completely onto property owned by Josh and more out of control was a point of contention (and could have contributed to the friction with Josh). Could even speak to a possible motive, if a motive enters into whatever happened to Gus. Jess could just be 'very shy,' maybe as a result of some mental health issues...but she could also be traumatized and afraid to speak to people. And wonder about some darker possibilities some of the (few) details could hint at, but this isn't the place. If any of this ends up being on the right track, it's just going to be twisting the knife in the victim(s) as their most painful secrets get dragged into public scrutiny.

I don't think Josh would allow his kids and wife to remain at Oak Park if he had any inkling they were being abused in any way, just based on his apparent previous fall out with Josie and his reaction to the annoying media people tracking him down. It seems like he has a temper similar to Josie's IMO.

I hope Jess and Ronnie stay away also

yes for sure, I was just meaning that a confrontation between Josh and Josie could quickly turn volatile and we already know there's guns on that property unfortunately
 
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If a four year old child goes missing then everyone gets involved, but we have a case where most of the family members are not present. The GF is the only person I have seen working with P.

what is GF and what is P please?
 
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Like I said earlier I think we need to stop talking about the families version of events. There is no credibility that any of it is true.
It's likely Gus died long before the call to police. They would of wanted time to deal with any evidence and make a story up. They could of waited days/weeks/months to call police.

I agree. The police say there are inconsistencies, so we can't 100% rely on anything the family has reported.

Something may have happened to Gus, and Josie may have coerced Shannon to report Gus missing as late as possible so any search would be inconclusive.
Going to look for lost sheep may be to provide a false alibi and remove suspicion from the perpetrator.
 
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It seems to me that there’s a very big glaring point in this thread in regards to the reporter fiasco that continues to be overlooked here.

The reporter claims to have left the property after being told to, but not before already recording the family on private property without consent, which is not lawful and also not ethical conduct for a journalist.

But it gets worse. Not only did she or her entourage record them without their permission on private property, she then took the highly unethical choice to upload that footage via social media to presumably make a name for herself. Again, without permission, and against the law and journalist ethics.

These hack journos love dishing out their opinions in the press, but can’t tolerate any pushback when society fights back, which may explain the absence of reporting on this case since the drama and a reemergence since the recent press release.

DM is renowned for junk reporting and junk reporters. It’s not a shock, but it’s still disgraceful.

IMO
Jonica Bray DM was told to: 'Shut your face'
They are fully aware of her reporting and are telling her to effectively shut her mouth and stop reporting. On film after this incident: Jonica Bray bravely marches herself into the police station to report the incident that she proudly created.
 
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Does not necessarily have any bearing on things but in my opinion JM and JL may not actually be married, but it is my opinion they are in a relationship.

In my opinion JL cares for his family (JM and boys) and is most likely not afraid to speak his mind to the grandparents to stand up for himself and his family. This might be where JL and JM senior butt heads on occasion.
 
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Does not necessarily have any bearing on things but in my opinion JM and JL may not actually be married, but it is my opinion they are in a relationship.

In my opinion JL cares for his family (JM and boys) and is most likely not afraid to speak his mind to the grandparents to stand up for himself and his family. This might be where JL and JM senior butt heads on occasion.

Further to this, while JL has had some experience fronting the public in his past (as a musician) I can understand why he might be reluctant to front media in this situation (something that would be completely foreign, unexpected and devastating). It seems like he is somewhat on the outer from the permanent residents of Oak Park (although we dont really know) but perhaps out of respect of his partner JM he is also keeping out of the public attention. If JM is said to be quite shy he might also be following suit as doing something different might seem like he is not supporting his partner.

All IMO
 
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I agree. The police say there are inconsistencies, so we can't 100% rely on anything the family has reported.

Something may have happened to Gus, and Josie may have coerced Shannon to report Gus missing as late as possible so any search would be inconclusive.
Going to look for lost sheep may be to provide a false alibi and remove suspicion from the perpetrator.

I said in the beginning that I didn't understand (and I still don't) why it took so long to notify the police. I think I'm remembering it was about 3 hours? Gus went missing between 5 and 5:30 and the family called police at 8 give or take (could've been a bit earlier and the police arrived close to 8)? I may have the times a bit off since it was so long ago. But we may now have an inkling of why it took so long now that there's a 'suspect'. There's no way I would ever wait that long to report a 4 year old missing regardless of how large the area they were searching. I would want all hands on deck asap. JMO
 
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as in Josie? she uses female pronouns I believe
In the eyes of young Gus he has a grandmother and a grandfather. But yes we are talking about Josie and Shannon.
 
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Was Shannon the biological grandmother at home when Gus went missing?
 
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In the eyes of young Gus he has a grandmother and a grandfather. But yes we are talking about Josie and Shannon.
I respect whichever gender a person wishes to identify with. However, fathering and mothering a child goes beyond gender identification.

If my father wished, I would use whatever name and pronouns, but that wouldn't change who fathered me.

Now of course some carers identify as father, and some children identify a person who did not biologically father them as father, and I respect that too.

It is beautiful to see an adopted child call their adopting parent 'father' and also accept their biological father as father too ...

We are complex, and we use words both 'literally' and metaphorically.

I think of Josie as GF biologically speaking, and GM according to gender identification.

But most of all, I feel for everyone in this family....Gus, mother, father and all involved.


Back to the case, people criticise police for taking so long to declare a major crime investigation, but it seems that all along they have been following up on the possibility that Gus did not just wander off. By focussing on following all three stated lines of investigation, they have perhaps allowed the potential perpetrator(s) to feel a (false?) sense of security and finally slip up with their inconsistencies.
 
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ok I must be not understanding what AI is - I didn't think it showed actual real photos - anytime I see an example of AI pics online, it's fake pictures so I don't get the references to AI with a real picture
RSBM
Artificial Intelligence takes many forms in modern first world society. The fake imagery that we see too much of, IMO, is a form of AI that can create or distort images to attain the desired effect. I think of that as an 'artist's' technology tool.

But the form of AI used for real life searches of MPs (great examples in alpine environments recently) is what I believe the SAPOL applied to get the being count data they displayed at the presser.

In this example the Artificial Intelligence analytics has learned (been taught) how to distinguish aerial images of sheep vs. roo vs. cow vs. human, etc. and is thus able to be 'fed' imagery data from planes or drones or satellites to quickly determine what beings are on the ground within a defined area, as in this case. The value of course is speed and accuracy.

Now, the close up images of the sheep and motorcycle rider at the presser are just that. Once the AI analytical output says "there is a human here" then LE can zoom in to see what that human is. The pictures are real, but AI helped find them.

In alpine searches AI analytics have been developed to look for color anomalies in drone or flight images taken. The AI software analyzes images at a pixel level to look for a e.g. yellow hat or red pack. That has proven successful recently.

Anywho, likely more than you asked for. I am NOT an AI expert, but from my data analytics and technology design background I understand it superficially.
 

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