Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

  • #4,601
The person who harmed Gus likely had many hours to move his body in one of the seized vehicles. Gus could be a very long way from the homestead (maybe 50km+). My guess is the person who harmed him may have waited 4-6 hours before they reported him missing to allow time to cover up and clean up any evidence.

The perpetrator may also know some very good hiding spots in the middle of nowhere and similar to Peter Falconio, little Gus may never be found.

Angie Fuller has been missing for 3+ years, Jayden Penno-Tompsett was missing 8 years before recently being found, William Tyrrell still missing after 11+ years and the list goes on.

Finding Gus's remains will substantially strengthen the case against the "suspect" and I think Police will really want to find him before charging the culprit.

Tanja Ebert is still missing in the SA outback (for 8½ years).
Trisha Graf is recently missing in the SA outback (for about 9 weeks).

It is hard to find people in the vastness out there. Hoping they find Gus - and all the others. 🤞
 
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RSBM
Artificial Intelligence takes many forms in modern first world society. The fake imagery that we see too much of, IMO, is a form of AI that can create or distort images to attain the desired effect. I think of that as an 'artist's' technology tool.

But the form of AI used for real life searches of MPs (great examples in alpine environments recently) is what I believe the SAPOL applied to get the being count data they displayed at the presser.

In this example the Artificial Intelligence analytics has learned (been taught) how to distinguish aerial images of sheep vs. roo vs. cow vs. human, etc. and is thus able to be 'fed' imagery data from planes or drones or satellites to quickly determine what beings are on the ground within a defined area, as in this case. The value of course is speed and accuracy.

Now, the close up images of the sheep and motorcycle rider at the presser are just that. Once the AI analytical output says "there is a human here" then LE can zoom in to see what that human is. The pictures are real, but AI helped find them.

In alpine searches AI analytics have been developed to look for color anomalies in drone or flight images taken. The AI software analyzes images at a pixel level to look for a e.g. yellow hat or red pack. That has proven successful recently.

Anywho, likely more than you asked for. I am NOT an AI expert, but from my data analytics and technology design background I understand it superficially.

I appreciate it - you make it make sense - thank you so much!
 
  • #4,604
It is very important to note the background of Vincent and Clair. Vincent was born and raised in Tanunda. However Clair is from Nackara S.A. which is situated adjacent to the property we are discussing. There are deep seated issues here. Was Gus up to the challenge?

Advertiser Adelaide Saturday 31 July 1948 page 12.

who is Vincent and Clair and what deep-seated issues that could be relevant here?

the kind that makes - generates - 'fake' photos is generative AI. But that's only one kind of AI. In this case they've used machine learning capabilities where the software/app has learned what is a kangaroo, what is a person, what is a tree, what is a sheep, what is a living creature, what is a deceased creature etc etc so it can count and analyse all that stuff without a human having to do it.

thank you very helpful

Hah...I'm good with generalities not technicalities most of the time and claim no special knowledge of AI. But seems to me artificial intelligence is used as a tool rather than a result in this situ.

As a tech layperson I'm just going on how it was explained in the presser. The way it was explained there Imo is that aerial photographs taken using special camera equipment were analysed and enhanced using AI. Jmo

Police photographically mapped from the air a wide area (up to 15km (?) radius from oak park homestead) over a period of two days (a weekend in mid-Oct, timeline escapes me). The photography from this special camera was sent to a specialist company that uses AI to enhance and analyse the photography (layperson language). The results of that (detailed images, one showing a human on motor bike) were presented to the public at presser. The police referred to this as the results of the widest aerial search conducted. That's all I know! Moo

ETA. Maybe I'll just add that the take away for me is that when detective points to an image and says that is a grey or red kangaroo, that is a person on a motor bike etc I believe him ( I am not questioning the results) and what I am being told is that on the dates the area was mapped using the special camera, those animals and the rider were there. It is a snapshot in time. Moo

thank you - I do remember that being mentioned and some of us wondering what the result would be
 
  • #4,605
Hey everyone,

This is a discussion, not a debate.

It's fine to state your opinion and move on, but to constantly hyperfocus on one aspect of the case and try hammering your own opinion into someone else's head is not why we're here.
 
  • #4,606
who is Vincent and Clair and what deep-seated issues that could be relevant here?



thank you very helpful



thank you - I do remember that being mentioned and some of us wondering what the result would be
Vincent and Clair are or were Shannon’s parents.

The property originally belonged to Clair’s family and on her death became the property of Vincent. From that point on, the property was managed by Shannon, Vincent and “Robert” aka Josie. Vincent died in 2015, at which point the family business was managed under Shannon and Josie’s names.
 
  • #4,607
It was obvious to me due to many reasons, but mainly the hostile and aggressive behaviour of one of the grandparents.

In Australian culture this is not normal.
Have you lived in the outback regions? Hostile and aggressive are not that uncommon in outback folk, especially when being hassled at what is already an extremely stressful, worrying time. media, strangers and some particularly awful, judgemental social media comments would exacerbate and increase that hostility, especially if the gender identity of a particular person is focussed on with bigotry and assumptions being experienced because of it.
 
  • #4,608
I'm confused (which doesn't take much) but why would the police release a photo of the tracker?
It has not been confirmed that the aerial drone photo of the person riding a motorbike is the tracker.

In an earlier post I observed that the motorbike is green, as is the motorbike the tracker was photographed using in news photos.

This may be a coincidence (green motorbikes are not unusual) or the tracker may have been using a bike belonging to the Murray’s or the drone photo may indeed have captured the tracker.

I think the photo was released as an example to demonstrate that the AI technology can accurately identify a human and differentiate humans from animals, living animals from carcasses etc.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

*edited for grammar.
 
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Also, wouldn't it be weird if in looking for Gus they found Tanja Ebert?
To find Tanjas remains would be such a relief for her family but it is a decent distance from Oak Park. The police were convinced at the time that she was buried at Oulninna
 
  • #4,610
If the adjoining Park is considered as a place in which Gus was hidden
then I'm a little pessimistic that the boy will be found.
It is déjà vu of Samantha M's situation
and never-ending, fruitless searches in all kinds of Parks.
She was never found :(

JMO
Even on the property, Oak Park itself, it will be extremely difficult to find him. It's such a vast area to find a little boy :(
 
  • #4,611
I've really flogged this topic to death previously, but here I go again.

It really worries me that so many people on this thread view the firearm incident as rational, innocent or justified. I truly hope the people that hold these views don't also hold gun licenses. IMO

Holding onto the gun while angrily confronting a journalist (instead of putting it away safely inside, calling police about trespass/nuisance, or simply closing the door) is disproportionate and irrational behaviour. IMO

The brief muzzle sweep across the direction of the journalist was extremely dangerous, unnecessary, and threatening. IMO

This incident tells me the grandparent responsible for this action lacks impulse control in high-emotion moments. IMO

Australian police and courts treat firearm displays in disputes very seriously due to the potential for escalation. Why they didn't act on this (that we know of, publicly) is strange to me, and perhaps tied to strategy. IMO
I certainly wouldn't want JM as my neighbour.
 
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My opinion only, but I'd push back on that slightly, if only because abuse is so frequently a little visible tip of 'problematic' behavior with the rest of the whole massive iceberg out of sight underneath. You wouldn't leave your family in the care of a relative you thought of as abusive or neglectful (as in, the behavior you've witnessed or heard about from them reached a threshold of severity to label it in those terms), but you might still allow them to stay with a relative who is an overbearing, volatile control freak. You might still allow them to stay with a relative who's a bit inappropriate or a bit unsettling in ways you can't quite articulate. You might still allow them to stay with a relative who's a bit too rough or can be a bit mean. You might still allow them to stay with a relative who's a bit absent-minded or careless or has shown poor judgement at times. You might still grudgingly allow them, particularly your adult partner, to stay with a parent despite not liking how that parents speaks to or treats your partner. You might particularly allow it if all you really have are suspicions, misgivings, feelings, nothing more concrete to point to and can be convinced you're making a big deal over a small thing. And you might not know how much things are actually being downplayed or hidden from you. Over time, families often get quite good at making excuses for abusers. The abuse can become their new normal, become the baseline to the point where they really don't recognize how bad, how dangerous it really is, but do know they need to try to make it look better than it is to others who 'won't understand.' And you might be reluctant to really press the issue with your partner about the extent of your concerns surrounding a family member they love. Things that can be written off as a difference in parenting style or a clash of personalities, things you don't like but grudgingly tolerate to try to keep the peace.

What's been reported is that a friend of Josh said he didn't think it was safe for the kids to be at Oak Park Station. That could have been referring to tip-of-the-iceberg neglectful or abusive behavior that concerned him enough to worry about but not enough to force things to come to a head.

And I might have missed the part about his reaction to annoying media t0racking him down, do you have a link? I've seen pictures they've taken of him looking just kind of shattered, but haven't read anything about him shouting at them while brandishing weapons, or even interacting directly with reporters at all. There is one picture taken from a distance where he seems to be holding a sawzall with a headline about how he's furious...but that's a clickbait heading, it just says a friend of his said he's furious that his little boy went missing, nothing about threatening anyone with the tool, and it looks like he just stepped outside briefly while working on something or other. If he's got a temper, from what little I've seen he's kept it more in check under similar provocation.

I agree with all you've posted in the first two paragraphs but I never said anything about Josh brandishing weapons or threatening anyone with a tool and I was certainly not meaning to victim blame if that is what you were implying just to make that clear. I never even saw that picture of him holding a tool until I saw it looking for a link for you. I spent some time looking for the link of the reporter saying he yelled at them but I'm sure it was a Daily Mail UK report which is paywalled for me now so no luck there and so as I posted before, I will reiterate JMO.

It has not been confirmed that the aerial drone photo of the person riding a motorbike is the tracker.

In an earlier post I observed that the motorbike is green, as is the motorbike the tracker was photographed using in news photos.

This may be a coincidence (green motorbikes are not unusual) or the tracker may have been using a bike belonging to the Murray’s or the drone photo may indeed have captured the tracker.

I think the photo was released as an example to demonstrate that the AI technology can accurately identify a human and differentiate humans from animals, living animals from carcasses etc.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

*edited for grammar.

thanks yes I'm aware it is not confirmed
I would expect the police to explain why it was released though instead of what is happening, which is all this guesswork
I wonder why they have not

Vincent and Clair are or were Shannon’s parents.

The property originally belonged to Clair’s family and on her death became the property of Vincent. From that point on, the property was managed by Shannon, Vincent and “Robert” aka Josie. Vincent died in 2015, at which point the family business was managed under Shannon and Josie’s names.

thanks, still no idea what they or the 'deep seated issues' mentioned have to do with this case
 
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Have you lived in the outback regions? Hostile and aggressive are not that uncommon in outback folk, especially when being hassled at what is already an extremely stressful, worrying time. media, strangers and some particularly awful, judgemental social media comments would exacerbate and increase that hostility, especially if the gender identity of a particular person is focussed on with bigotry and assumptions being experienced because of it.
I second this, being from the country myself. Have had a gun waved at me for (accidentally) trespassing on a property in Myponga which isn’t even that far out. I was on the side of the road by a broken fence. Spoke to some mates of mine who are local and the same fella had threatened to shoot their dog if it ever wandered to his property - it never had and never did. Not unusual at all once you’re out of the city, let alone the added layers of stress and carefully planned antagonism that were at play here.
 

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