Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[SouthAussie]

Paywalled

DBM - Bigditch said that this link didn't work for them either.

 

[Raina_the_observer]

Let me elaborate the above, what I meant was a FATAL snake bite. An adult may be able to survive a snake bite, but Gus is a small child, a bite could have been lethal.

In a child of that age, a brown snake bite would almost CERTAINLY be fatal. Unless immediate attention, which given the remoteness, would not happen.

 

[Bigditch]

I think The Nightly is not paywalled here. (Not sure where you live.)

Can you read this? It is the exact same MSM article, republished.

(Hopefully this link is allowed, I will report my post so that the mods can look.)

Why Police Took the Rare Step of Naming a ‘Suspect’ Before Charges in Gus Lamont’s Disappearance — A Move That Deepened the Mystery and Sparked Nationwide Debate About What Investigators Already Know - Top News Update

After months of silence, SAPOL declared Gus’ disappearance a major crime and narrowed its suspect to someone known to him. Experts explain the strategy, the

litaupdate.com

Thank you, but, no. The 2nd link was worse it took me to some random spam crap.

 

[SouthAussie]

In a child of that age, a brown snake bite would almost CERTAINLY be fatal. Unless immediate attention, which given the remoteness, would not happen.

I read that death can occur within 30 minutes.

Though I do think that Gus would have been taught what to do if he saw a snake (or redback spider). By 3 or 4 years old a child would have been taught what to do about potential outback dangers. And taught not just once, but likely many times, reinforced - that kind of teaching would be usual. imo


In contrast, an untreated eastern brown snake bite can kill in under half an hour.
"It's arguably the quickest killing venom in the world. No other snake in the world has killed people so quickly, so regularly," Dr Fry said.

You've just been bitten by a snake — what do you do?

You have just been bitten by a small snake. You are pretty certain it is just a harmless python, but it disappeared before you could get a proper look. Do you administer first aid and go to the hospital or keep gardening?

www.abc.net.au

(Eastern brown snakes are also known as common brown snakes. They are found in South Australia. Link )

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you, but, no. The 2nd link was worse it took me to some random spam crap.

I think I will delete my post with that link then. The link worked fine for me, but I don't want to introduce spam for others here.

 

[drsleuth]

I think I will delete my post with that link then. The link worked fine for me, but I don't want to introduce spam here.

Works for me too ( the original link )

 

[Bigditch]

I think I will delete my post with that link then. The link worked fine for me, but I don't want to introduce spam for others here.

Don't worry about it, likely a problem at my end. It happens.

 

[BreakingNews]

IIRC, a few missing people have ultimately been found in septic tanks.

Right now trying to dig up and dig through the various reports and confirm details, one point I haven't been able to establish yet is if the searchers actually used K9 units/sniffer dogs in those early searches. It's not mentioned in any of the SAPOL releases I've looked at so far, but also some of the earlier ones seem to have been taken down. Also possible that they're just part of the various search, rescue, and LE units that are mentioned by name, but the only dogs I've seen so far are the family's, running around in pictures of JM.

That said, if they were there, agree, IMO it's odd enough that they weren't able to trace him to suggest some possibilities.

In the case of missing William Tyrrell, the dogs could not follow him off the property. He may have been taken off the property in a vehicle. Makes me think Gus might have been taken off the property in a vehicle.

BTW. With Gus's fair skin, I doubt he would have spent much time outdoors. Moo.

 

[BreakingNews]

I read that death can occur within 30 minutes.

Though I do think that Gus would have been taught what to do if he saw a snake (or redback spider). By 3 or 4 years old a child would have been taught what to do about potential outback dangers. And taught not just once, but likely many times, reinforced - that kind of teaching would be usual. imo


In contrast, an untreated eastern brown snake bite can kill in under half an hour.
"It's arguably the quickest killing venom in the world. No other snake in the world has killed people so quickly, so regularly," Dr Fry said.

You've just been bitten by a snake — what do you do?

You have just been bitten by a small snake. You are pretty certain it is just a harmless python, but it disappeared before you could get a proper look. Do you administer first aid and go to the hospital or keep gardening?

www.abc.net.au

(Eastern brown snakes are also known as common brown snakes. They are found in South Australia. Link )

Absolutely kids are taught about snake safety at a very young age. I lived on 'Snake Hwy' as Mum used to call it. Snakes of all types in our Valley. You follow your parents advice from toddler age upwards.

 

[drsleuth]

I read that death can occur within 30 minutes.

Though I do think that Gus would have been taught what to do if he saw a snake (or redback spider). By 3 or 4 years old a child would have been taught what to do about potential outback dangers. And taught not just once, but likely many times - that kind of teaching would be usual. imo


In contrast, an untreated eastern brown snake bite can kill in under half an hour.
"It's arguably the quickest killing venom in the world. No other snake in the world has killed people so quickly, so regularly," Dr Fry said.

You've just been bitten by a snake — what do you do?

You have just been bitten by a small snake. You are pretty certain it is just a harmless python, but it disappeared before you could get a proper look. Do you administer first aid and go to the hospital or keep gardening?

www.abc.net.au

(Eastern brown snakes are also known as common brown snakes. They are found in South Australia. Link )

In my experience, the majority of people bitten by snakes are not actually envenomated & infact are what are called "dry bites " ( still treated as an emergency until proven otherwise )

Death from snake envenomation in Australia is quite rare, I think around 2-3 deaths / year
IMO

 

[Kemug]

In my experience, the majority of people bitten by snakes are not actually envenomated & infact are what are called "dry bites " ( still treated as an emergency until proven otherwise )

Death from snake envenomation in Australia is quite rare, I think around 2-3 deaths / year
IMO

Which isn't many compared to sharks.

 

[jepop]

In my experience, the majority of people bitten by snakes are not actually envenomated & infact are what are called "dry bites " ( still treated as an emergency until proven otherwise )

Death from snake envenomation in Australia is quite rare, I think around 2-3 deaths / year
IMO

This. I've been doing my reading on Aust snakes (Thanks to this case). Very interesting stuff. I came across the envenomation info too. But Imo the chance of Gus being approached and struck (and envenomated) whilst playing on the sand mound ( which is the point I was addressing here) is extremely low anyway. Jmo

 

[jepop]

In a child of that age, a brown snake bite would almost CERTAINLY be fatal. Unless immediate attention, which given the remoteness, would not happen.

I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I know this comment may go for being OT. I just can't help strongly questioning the assumption here a child would certainly be a goner given the remoteness.

How to survive a snake bite — from someone who should know

Christina and her husband have been bitten by snakes five times between them — and they're snake-handling professionals. Here's their inside knowledge about how to survive being bitten by a venomous snake.

www.abc.net.au

"The important thing to know is how to manage the bite — a common trend I've noticed about snakebite deaths in Australia is failure to manage the bite correctly.".

It seems to me, that managing a highly venomous bite correctly is the start of immediate attention.

According to the very qualified professional cited, if the correct first aid is applied immediately and then consistently, an average adult has up to 10 hours to get to hospital for anti venom. Much more detail at link.

Idk, maybe halve that for an average child. With Royal Flying Doctor, an envenomated child could make it, if first aid is applied appropriately. Jmo

 

[drsleuth]

I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I know this comment may go for being OT. I just can't help strongly questioning the assumption here a child would certainly be a goner given the remoteness.

How to survive a snake bite — from someone who should know

Christina and her husband have been bitten by snakes five times between them — and they're snake-handling professionals. Here's their inside knowledge about how to survive being bitten by a venomous snake.

www.abc.net.au

"The important thing to know is how to manage the bite — a common trend I've noticed about snakebite deaths in Australia is failure to manage the bite correctly.".

It seems to me, that managing a highly venomous bite correctly is the start of immediate attention.

According to the very qualified professional cited, if the correct first aid is applied immediately and then consistently, an average adult has up to 10 hours to get to hospital for anti venom. Much more detail at link.

Idk, maybe halve that for an average child. With Royal Flying Doctor, an envenomated child could make it, if first aid is applied appropriately. Jmo

BBM : Correct. I've known someone to walk into Emergency & say that they had been bitten by a brown snake ( to the foot ) over 24hrs earlier. No first aid at all. No symptoms. Just that "my missus said I should get it checked out"

Most important thing is applying a pressure immobilisation bandage, start at bite site & for an arm bangdage from fingers to shoulder & leg from toes to hip ( not tight enough to cut of circulation - same as for a sprained ankle ) & minimise movement, call 000.

A good tip also is to but a mark on the bandage where the bite is - or cut a small window / hole.

NEVER take the bandage off once applied - should only be removed by a medical professional - usually after d/w a toxicologist.

All IMO

 

[dennistakes14theteam]

I’m confused as to all the talk around snakes / snake bites / spiders. IF (and it’s quite a big if because I’m pretty sure they’d have taught Gus what to do if he saw one), a snake bit him then surely an adult would have called for a doctor? Surely if it was an accident then Gus wouldn’t have been removed from the property and we wouldn’t now have ‘a person of interest’?? JMO

 

[LadyL]

What can you do, with all the Js in this case?! I suppose it would be useful to have some agreed upon set of initials or variants that we can all use when posting to avoid confusion. But not sure what that would look like.

In the meantime, I think that distinguishing Josie M from Jess M by inserting the second letter of their names will work for me, and hopefully help anyone who happens to read my posts understand who I'm referring to. My personal preference is not to use full first names.

I'm just going with first names
so much easier

 

[LadyL]

It is.

Shannon has long legs too and is very tall

 

[jepop]

Shannon has long legs too and is very tall

Moo The approved link (posted twice upthread) clearly identified the person holding baby Jess as SM. There is no basis for anyone (ie OP, not you) posting as fact that the photo is JM holding baby Jess. That simply isn't true. IMO

 

[Dotta]

Moo The approved link (posted twice upthread) clearly identified the person holding baby Jess as SM. There is no basis for anyone (ie OP, not you) posting as fact that the photo is JM holding baby Jess. That simply isn't true. IMO

I agree.
Although I must confess I also had doubts