Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[hoodunnit]

But they perhaps wouldn't get the same level of cooperation during the search or the same answers during an interview with SM if JM was there, watching, or interjecting. It's worth remembering that as of their last presser, they implied one of the grandparents had stopped cooperating, not the other. It makes a ton of sense, IMO, to try to talk to the cooperative one, alone. This is one way to do that. MOO.

If they both hired lawyers, I wouldn't imagine either of them would talk (except in general) without lawyer presence. They surely would have been instructed not to.

 

[Morequestionsthananswers]

Today I’ve woken up wondering if there might be some truth in the story we’ve been told and something did actually happen under Shannon’s watch and Josie is covering up for her.

SPECULATION

Shannon was tired/stressed/not in the best mood, the baby was crying, Gus did something to add to the stress and in an emotional moment Shannon lashed out and it accidentally resulted in his death.

She’s terrified and calls Josie because she doesn’t know what to do. She never meant to harm her grandson .

They decide to cover it up for various reasons ie there are signs of physical damage , they don’t want their daughter to hate Shannon….

They agree on the wandering off story thinking a lie is better than the truth for everyone .

Josie disposes of the body.

Things snowball and it becomes the biggest search for a missing person in South Australia’s history.

And here we are.

 

[JLZ]

Today I’ve woken up wondering if there might be some truth in the story we’ve been told and something did actually happen under Shannon’s watch and Josie is covering up for her.

SPECULATION

Shannon was tired/stressed/not in the best mood, the baby was crying, Gus did something to add to the stress and in an emotional moment Shannon lashed out and it accidentally resulted in his death.

She’s terrified and calls Josie because she doesn’t know what to do. She never meant to harm her grandson .

They decide to cover it up for various reasons ie there are signs of physical damage , they don’t want their daughter to hate Shannon….

They agree on the wandering off story thinking a lie is better than the truth for everyone .

Josie disposes of the body.

Things snowball and it becomes the biggest search for a missing person in South Australia’s history.

And here we are.

So from your description, this happens in the house or very close to the house. And Jess and Josie are expected home quite soon. Shannon needs to talk to Josie alone, but also she needs Jess not to find the body. So it seems she must have moved the body at least once already by the time the other two get in. Probably not far. Then before they call the police, Josie moves the body again, in the dark. It seems like a lot of action not to have left forensic traces.

Generally, when a body's been moved, I incline to think the death was intentional. I'll go for either extreme here: they're all completely innocent, and Gus got lost out there, or he was murdered for a reason. The reason I suggest is that somebody thought that if there was no Gus and no school plans, Jess would be more likely to hang around.

 

[Marg944]

News reporter states that Police are searching a nearby property today.

Looks like it is Bullaninnie station. IMO

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[linge]

If they both hired lawyers, I wouldn't imagine either of them would talk (except in general) without lawyer presence. They surely would have been instructed not to.

So again, a ton of convoluted speculation following, but if SAPOL told the truth, if one and only one of the Oak Park Station grandparents is "the suspect," and if JM and SM know which one of them it is, while their lawyering up at the same time looks pretty similar from the outside, their lawyers have significantly different jobs to do to try to serve their respective clients' best interests. Particularly IF this actually IS a major crime and IF 'the suspect' is guilty of it, meanwhile the other may or may not have acted as an accessory after the fact, however willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly. If both JM and SM are smart, they've each told their respective lawyers what they know, what they've told police, what they haven't told police, and any relevant details (including family dynamics that could be influencing the situation), everything (seriously, do not keep secrets from your lawyer).

It's likely in the best interest of 'the suspect,' particularly if guilty, to not say anything. It would also likely be in the best interest of 'the suspect' for the other grandparent, not the suspect, to also not say anything, also not cooperate, help present a unified front of stonewalling and to make it harder (or impossible), for SAPOL to differentiate between which parts each may have played in this, cast doubt, give them nothing to look into or work with so they can't gather enough to press charges, and create plausible deniability if charges are brought against 'the suspect' for the death of Gus Lamont and this gets taken to court.

Meanwhile it would likely be in the best interest of the grandparent who isn't the suspect, if not guilty, to draw a clear distinction, to create distance/differentiation and not get turned into a human shield/smokescreen for the suspect, and make it clear to SAPOL that they weren't responsible for this and are on the side of wanting justice for Gus. Including maybe to proactively demonstrate their innocence, be cooperative, and hopefully not get pulled any further into it. While personal loyalties to each other and other emotional considerations could muddy this for the Murrays, this would probably be the aim for their respective lawyers and so would shape the advice they'd give their clients to follow, even though, again, on the surface, almost certainly share a very similar 'don't speak to LE without me present.'

In this light, and IF JM is the suspect and IF SM is not, and IF SAPOL is on the right track with both this designation of major crime and who they believe committed it, and IF the dynamics in the home have been preventing SM from being able to safely cooperate fully with SAPOL...IMO, it would completely make sense for SM's lawyer to coordinate a time with SAPOL, likely when he could be present, when Shannon could walk them through what she knows while JM is conveniently out of the way for the time they need at Oak Park Station. IMO, that could be the actions of a competent defense lawyer representing the best interests of an innocent client who lives with the suspect for (and potentially perpetrator of) a violent crime, one whose own best interests are that she keep her mouth shut.

That's a lot of 'ifs' that would need to line up a certain way, but IMO it would fit cleanly within what just happened and also within the broader context of this case. MOO.

TLDR: It might not have been without a lawyer present. It could have even been partly organized with the lawyer, for above reasons.

 

[Old Soul]

Breaking: Police scour outhouse, water tank in Gus search

SA police have inspected an outhouse where fresh cement has recently been laid and a water tank as part of the latest search for Gus Lamont in South Australia's Mid North, with no evidence so far.

www.abc.net.au

Police have used a cadaver dog from NSW in today’s search at a Grampus property 24km from Oak Park station and another property 30km from Oak Park station.

“SA police have inspected an outhouse where fresh cement has recently been laid and a water tank as part of the latest search for Gus Lamont in South Australia's Mid North.”

 

[SouthAussie]

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The news report in your link says that today they have brought in a cadaver dog.

(Oops, I see @Old Soul posted about the cadaver dog from a different source.)

 

[Morequestionsthananswers]

So from your description, this happens in the house or very close to the house. And Jess and Josie are expected home quite soon. Shannon needs to talk to Josie alone, but also she needs Jess not to find the body. So it seems she must have moved the body at least once already by the time the other two get in. Probably not far. Then before they call the police, Josie moves the body again, in the dark. It seems like a lot of action not to have left forensic traces.

Generally, when a body's been moved, I incline to think the death was intentional. I'll go for either extreme here: they're all completely innocent, and Gus got lost out there, or he was murdered for a reason. The reason I suggest is that somebody thought that if there was no Gus and no school plans, Jess would be more likely to hang around.

I don’t know when or where it could’ve happened , but I think it’s most likely a fair bit earlier than 5pm.
They must have some way to contact each other ie walkie-talkies or satellite phones.
Josie most likely would’ve received a call and gone to Shannon’s aide as soon as possible, without Jess knowing. Jess could’ve been led to believe that Josie was going to check on something( a fence, a bore..)meanwhile Josie is burying the body to protect Shannon.
Not sure how many times the body was moved but I have read an article on reasons why a death is covered up and self-preservation is one reason. Also that a body is usually disposed of by a male. I will try to find the link again.

I agree that a body is often moved to cover an intentional death but I don’t feel that’s the case in this instance. If something happened in Shannon’s care I really think it would not be planned and it happened in anger and wasn’t intentional and that she’s traumatised Moo. But I could be way off the mark.

With all due respect, anything is possible but murdering your beautiful 4 year old grandson to stop his mother from moving away for him to start school is ruthless. Why do you think they wouldn’t want Jess to leave? Ronnie will be due to start school in a few years time . Would he have to be killed too? It seems illogical to me JMO