Australia - 7 dead in mass shooting and suicide - Osmington WA - 11 May 2018

[Jennifer17]

New article ....





They also have many help lines referenced at the end of the article. Something we know they do when a terrible situation has eventuated, and they want to show others the way to relevant help, if they need it. This is usually indicative of the situation, in my experience.

Lifeline 131 114; MensLine 1300 789 978; Beyondblue 1300 224 636; National Sexual Assault, Domestic Family Violence Counselling Service 1800 737 732; Men’s Referral Service 1300 766 491.

Yes, like they did in the Press Conference to the Brisbane woman who went overboard from a cruise ship. They didn't even say it was suicide, but encouraged anyone feeling that there was no hope, to seek help.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, like they did in the Press Conference to the Brisbane woman who went overboard from a cruise ship. They didn't even say it was suicide, but encouraged anyone feeling that there was no hope, to seek help.

And when farmer Geoff Hunt shot himself, his wife, and their 3 young children ..... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...-before-himself-to-spare-pain-inquest/6835840

 

[Jennifer17]

Surely, a quarter acre block has to be an error. I may be wrong, but isn't that the size of the old home building blocks? And it doesn't matter where you are, no one can live on no income. I think they were a bit naive.

 

[Jennifer17]

And when farmer Geoff Hunt shot himself, his wife, and their 3 young children ..... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...-before-himself-to-spare-pain-inquest/6835840

Yes, I can understand that one a little more, though. Kim had brain damage and was not the person he married or the mother that she used to be to their children.

 

[SouthAussie]

Surely, a quarter acre block has to be an error. I may be wrong, but isn't that the size of the old home building blocks? And it doesn't matter where you are, no one can live on no income. I think they were a bit naive.

Most articles say they lived on a hobby farm of 11 hectares or 30 acres. The new article even says they had cows and sheep. Be a bit of a squeeze if they all lived on 1/4 acre.

Must be an error - unless SMH have gone through the real estate records.

Maybe just the house and shed were on 1/4 acre traditional block. Maybe they rented the rest of the acreage, as some people do.


.... on their 30-acre hobby farm in Osmington ....
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..... a man at the pretty 11-hectare hobby farm .....
https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites...563a7fedcd943f92fa5a775f16d&memtype=anonymous

 

[Jennifer17]

Most articles say they lived on a hobby farm of 11 hectares or 30 acres. The new article even says they had cows and sheep. Be a bit of a squeeze if they all lived on 1/4 acre.

Must be an error - unless SMH have gone through the real estate records.

Maybe just the house and shed were on 1/4 acre traditional block. Maybe they rented the rest of the acreage, as some people do.


.... on their 30-acre hobby farm in Osmington ....
https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites...4fb&memtype=anonymous&v21=test&v21suffix=test

..... a man at the pretty 11-hectare hobby farm .....
https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites...563a7fedcd943f92fa5a775f16d&memtype=anonymous

I think that you are correct. It was an error. A quarter of an acre may seem large to a reporter living in a high rise apartment.

 

[MRichards]

Yes, I can understand that one a little more, though. Kim had brain damage and was not the person he married or the mother that she used to be to their children.

Sounds familiar...

A forensic psychologist from NSW Police told the inquest she thought Hunt's main intention was suicide, but he believed his wife and children were dependent on him and so in killing them he was "sparing them future pain".

Dr Sarah Yule said she believed Hunt loved his wife and children.

"He had a level of dependency on the family unit," Dr Yule said.

She said she believed there were "several indicators" that Hunt was depressed in September 2014.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...elf-to-spare-pain-inquest/6835840?pfmredir=sm

 

[Jennifer17]

Sounds familiar...

A forensic psychologist from NSW Police told the inquest she thought Hunt's main intention was suicide, but he believed his wife and children were dependent on him and so in killing them he was "sparing them future pain".

Dr Sarah Yule said she believed Hunt loved his wife and children.

"He had a level of dependency on the family unit," Dr Yule said.

She said she believed there were "several indicators" that Hunt was depressed in September 2014.
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...elf-to-spare-pain-inquest/6835840?pfmredir=sm

It is awful, but no man has the right to decide that his wife and children cannot live without him. They can and they do when a controlling man is out of their lives.

 

[MRichards]

It is awful, but no man has the right to decide that his wife and children cannot live without him. They can and they do when a controlling man is out of their lives.

He was suffering paranoid delusions.

He was being treated by medical professionals.

I will say this again, no one is defending his actions.

Speak to a psychologist. This is proof that many people are still not understanding.

If he had no legs you would take a different tact.

 

[MRichards]

Who shoots their grandchildren then rings 000? The grandchildren had a father.
Classic loss of logic by the grandfather.

I think any inquest will be telling of the environment he was in.

 

[Estelle]

He was suffering paranoid delusions.

He was being treated by medical professionals.

I will say this again, no one is defending his actions.

Speak to a psychologist. This is proof that many people are still not understanding.

If he had no legs you would take a different tact.

I have not read where Peter Miles was suffering from paranoid delusions so could you please give me a link? I did a google search but nothing came up.

 

[Estelle]

No evidence Mr Miles had any mental health issues

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.a...s/news-story/25dd2b8edd269e380de5142c6e670893

 

[Rockabilly]

No evidence Mr Miles had any mental health issues

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.a...s/news-story/25dd2b8edd269e380de5142c6e670893

"WA Premier Mark McGowan said the massacre could never have been predicted as there was no evidence Mr Miles had any mental health issues that could have resulted in his firearms being removed."






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[Tigerlily75]

I have not read where Peter Miles was suffering from paranoid delusions so could you please give me a link? I did a google search but nothing came up.

I think the poster was talking about Geoff Hunt.

However, there is no mention of paranoid delusions there either, but rather an ego centric belief his family couldn't continue without him. For interests sake, I found the inquest findings for the Hunt Family. It gives an idea of what to expect from an investigation and coronial inquest into a family murder-suicide.

But proceed with caution, of course it is incredibly heartbreaking

http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/Hunt Family Inquest Findingsv2.pdf

 

[MRichards]

I have not read where Peter Miles was suffering from paranoid delusions so could you please give me a link? I did a google search but nothing came up.

It has already been television broadcast about his treatment.

Inquest will be telling.

 

[Jennifer17]

He was suffering paranoid delusions.

He was being treated by medical professionals.

I will say this again, no one is defending his actions.

Speak to a psychologist. This is proof that many people are still not understanding.

If he had no legs you would take a different tact.

I am not sure what you are saying here? What tack am I taking?

 

[MRichards]

People are being ignorant. It pays to do a basic search instead expect everyone run around for you. Depression is broad brush.

Suspected mass murderer Peter Miles had been suffering for years, a family friend tells WHO

“He was having counselling and treatment for depression"


https://www.who.com.au/family-friend-tells-who-margaret-river-massacre-murderer-was-in-a-bad-place

 

[MRichards]

If you shoot your family because you think they cant survive without you, you are delusional.

According to Janice Morris, who was a close friend of Cynda and Peter’s for 30 years, Peter had been suffering since the loss of a son to suicide 15 years ago.

“Peter had a breakdown,” Morris, 81, tells WHO. “He was having counselling and treatment for depression. Peter had just come to the thought that he was useless and he was in a bad place.”

https://www.who.com.au/family-friend-tells-who-margaret-river-massacre-murderer-was-in-a-bad-place

 

[SouthAussie]

He was suffering paranoid delusions.

He was being treated by medical professionals.

I will say this again, no one is defending his actions.

Speak to a psychologist. This is proof that many people are still not understanding.

If he had no legs you would take a different tact.

I don't believe anyone here is not understanding that Peter was in a bad place. It is not a happy, content person that carries out a family massacre.

I think some of us are quite angry that he thought it was okay to completely control the deceased persons, by not giving them the opportunity to make their own way in life ... without him. If they had wanted to commit suicide, that was their own option, not his.

I cannot believe he thought that he was doing the right thing, the helpful thing, in his own 'in a bad place' mind. I think this was a most selfish act. No paranoid delusions involved. He planned it, he acted, he called the police to tell them ... to keep the heat off anyone else. He had the faculties to do that.

He was just a depressed man who did not want to live, and did not want certain people among his loved ones to live without him. Did he believe, or hope, they would then be with him in an afterlife? Who knows. imo

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[MRichards]

I don't believe anyone here is not understanding that Peter was in a bad place. It is not a happy, content person that carries out a family massacre.

I think some of us are quite angry that he thought it was okay to completely control the deceased persons, by not giving them the opportunity to make their own way in life ... without him. If they had wanted to commit suicide, that was their own option, not his.

I cannot believe he thought that he was doing the right thing, the helpful thing, in his own 'in a bad place' mind. I think this was a most selfish act. No paranoid delusions involved. He planned it, he acted, he called the police to tell them ... to keep the heat off anyone else. He had the faculties to do that.

He was just a depressed man who did not want to live, and did not want certain people among his loved ones to live without him. Did he believe, or hope, they would then be with him in an afterlife? Who knows. imo

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Peter Miles was suffering with delusion.

If he was sane he would see that shooting your grandchildren is insane.

Hang on. You have just ignored the above article that said he was in treatment.

Delusional people plan lots of things.