Australia - 7 dead in mass shooting and suicide - Osmington WA - 11 May 2018

[MRichards]

For most of us, Australia is not a place where 4 autistic children wont have somewhere to live.
If he was on 30 acres chances are there was a truck load of equity.

To think your family cannot survive without you is nuts.

 

[MRichards]

I remember when I was 20 my father had cancer.
He felt he had to go bsck to work to feed his family.
We all had jobs, mum had a job, he had 4 houses.

They cant think logically.

 

[Jennifer17]

IMO he was a selfish man who was so upset about the suicide of a son 15 years earlier that he left a far worse situation for his other two sons, to deal with. I wonder if he thought about them, when he was wallowing in his own self pity.

He was not delusional, he was a selfish, controlling man and he, in his paternalistic and egocentric way, decided that they could not manage without him.

 

[SouthAussie]

Peter Miles was suffering with delusion.

If he was sane he would see that shooting your grandchildren is insane.

Hang on. You have just ignored the above article that said he was in treatment.

Delusional people plan lots of things.

I have not ignored anything. Being in treatment for depression does not mean he was delusional, or had delusional paranoia. That is your opinion.

I don't believe anyone wants to debate this. Personally, I am going by what I read in MSM.


New article
MARGARET River grandfather Peter Miles had started taking antidepressant medication just weeks before he shot dead his wife Cynda, daughter Katrina and four grandchildren on their hobby farm.
Mr Miles had put on weight in recent months, which can be caused by antidepressants, and some close friends now suspect the medication he had been prescribed may have played a part in triggering or heightening his homicidal and suicidal thoughts.

Organic farmer and family friend Bee Winfield confirmed 61-year-old Mr Miles, who had been looking for work on Gumtree just two days before shooting dead his family, had been suffering depression and had “gone to doctors for help”.
“It seems the antidepressants he had been prescribed were not working,” she said, adding that some antidepressant medication had “no warnings on the box” but came with the risk of “terrible side effects” including suicidal thoughts or thoughts of harming others.

“Cynda told us Peter had gone onto antidepressants in the last few weeks ......

Ms Miles told friend Cath Miller the day before the mass shooting that her husband’s depression was getting “worse and worse”.

Murdoch University experts Dr Bob Mead, an Emeritus Professor of Biochemistry, and Dr Ian Mullaney, a senior lecturer in pharmacology ...... But in a joint statement, they said: “Whilst there is some evidence to suggest that these drugs during the first few weeks of use or after a change in dose are associated with an increased risk of suicidal thinking and behaviour in children and adolescents, there is no compelling evidence to suggest these drug-induced behaviours occur in adults over the age of 25 years.”

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/so...o-grandfathers-murder-of-family-ng-b88840726z

 

[Jennifer17]

I have not ignored anything. Being in treatment for depression does not mean he was delusional, or had delusional paranoia. That is your opinion.

I don't believe anyone wants to debate this. Personally, I am going by what I read in MSM.


New article
MARGARET River grandfather Peter Miles had started taking antidepressant medication just weeks before he shot dead his wife Cynda, daughter Katrina and four grandchildren on their hobby farm.
Mr Miles had put on weight in recent months, which can be caused by antidepressants, and some close friends now suspect the medication he had been prescribed may have played a part in triggering or heightening his homicidal and suicidal thoughts.

Organic farmer and family friend Bee Winfield confirmed 61-year-old Mr Miles, who had been looking for work on Gumtree just two days before shooting dead his family, had been suffering depression and had “gone to doctors for help”.
“It seems the antidepressants he had been prescribed were not working,” she said, adding that some antidepressant medication had “no warnings on the box” but came with the risk of “terrible side effects” including suicidal thoughts or thoughts of harming others.

“Cynda told us Peter had gone onto antidepressants in the last few weeks ......

Ms Miles told friend Cath Miller the day before the mass shooting that her husband’s depression was getting “worse and worse”.

Murdoch University experts Dr Bob Mead, an Emeritus Professor of Biochemistry, and Dr Ian Mullaney, a senior lecturer in pharmacology ...... But in a joint statement, they said: “Whilst there is some evidence to suggest that these drugs during the first few weeks of use or after a change in dose are associated with an increased risk of suicidal thinking and behaviour in children and adolescents, there is no compelling evidence to suggest these drug-induced behaviours occur in adults over the age of 25 years.”

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/so...o-grandfathers-murder-of-family-ng-b88840726z

Yes, this. And after having worked in a doctor's surgery for twenty years as an RN, I know that some people do become more depressed in the first week or two, because they thought that it was going to be a magic pill, that would cure all their problems after a day.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, this. And after having worked in a doctor's surgery for twenty years as an RN, I know that some people do become more depressed in the first week or two, because they thought that it was going to be a magic pill, that would cure all their problems after a day.

I know a couple of people on antidepressant medication. It makes them more stable, not crying at the drop of a hat, but they certainly are not any happier. They don't have the energy/are not wiilling/are not capable of making the lifestyle changes that may lead them to greater happiness.

I know another person who is on anti-anxiety medication. He is less anxious, for sure, but again .. not any happier or any more able to adjust his way of thinking.

The medications are not a cure-all. They just enable a person to be calmer, in general. They certainly don't fix the issues that are making a person feel depressed or anxious. Those issues need fixing in practical ways. Preferably not by taking their own life, or by taking the lives of other people.

 

[Jennifer17]

I know a couple of people on antidepressant medication. It makes them more stable, not crying at the drop of a hat, but they certainly are not any happier. They don't have the energy/are not wiilling/are not capable of making the lifestyle changes that may lead them to greater happiness.

I know another person who is on anti-anxiety medication. He is less anxious, for sure, but again .. not any happier or any more able to adjust his way of thinking.

The medications are not a cure-all. They just enable a person to be calmer, in general. They certainly don't fix the issues that are making a person feel depressed or anxious. Those issues need fixing in practical ways. Preferably not by taking their own life, or by taking the lives of other people.

Yes, but believe me, there would be others that you have no idea are taking those medications and they do help people get over a tragedy or a rough place in their lives. Some people do not want to come out of their depressive illnesses, because that is where they feel safe, with their depression to lean on and blame, rather than changing their lives. I am not apportioning blame on those people, it is a challenge that some people just cannot deal with.

 

[Elley Mae]

Comparing the two photos of Peter I see a difference in his face.

The photo of him sitting with wife, K & kids he looks fine. The wedding photo he has a bewildered/lost/confused look. Not sure how far apart the photos were taken but the kids don’t look like there is a lot of time between the two.

People are being ignorant. It pays to do a basic search instead expect everyone run around for you. Depression is broad brush.

Suspected mass murderer Peter Miles had been suffering for years, a family friend tells WHO

“He was having counselling and treatment for depression"


https://www.who.com.au/family-friend-tells-who-margaret-river-massacre-murderer-was-in-a-bad-place

 

[SouthAussie]

Comparing the two photos of Peter I see a difference in his face.

The photo of him sitting with wife, K & kids he looks fine. The wedding photo he has a bewildered/lost/confused look. Not sure how far apart the photos were taken but the kids don’t look like there is a lot of time between the two.

Isn't the wedding photo a few years before the sitting picture, not after?
The granddaughter has matured and grown quite a bit in the time between the two pics.
Unless you mean that the sitting picture may have been very recent, after Peter started his depression medication - which was just a few weeks before the murders/suicide, according to the most recent article. Though they say the medication did not seem to be working for him.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/so...beautiful-wa-family-gunned-down-ng-b88834383z

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...g/news-story/b056d8e00aa6315d2150f727d8372309

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes.That is the other brother's wedding, taken a few years before the sitting one where the little girl is now looking like a teenager. Katrina looks years younger in that wedding pic too.

 

[Elley Mae]

Thanks SouthAssie for clarification.

Isn't the wedding photo a few years before the sitting picture, not after?
The granddaughter has matured and grown quite a bit in the time between the two pics.
Unless you mean that the sitting picture may have been very recent, after Peter started his depression medication - which was just a few weeks before the murders/suicide, according to the most recent article. Though they say the medication did not seem to be working for him.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/so...beautiful-wa-family-gunned-down-ng-b88834383z

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...g/news-story/b056d8e00aa6315d2150f727d8372309

 

[SouthAussie]

Photo of the farm here in this new article. I guess that could be the converted shed that housed Katrina and her children ... off to the right, near the very empty and dry looking veggie garden.


"Police only handed the property back to relatives on Wednesday, the commissioner said.

The drought took its toll. Crops did not always grow as planned. The dam Peter dug was completely empty last week, Dr Haynes pointed out."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...acre-demons-troubled-warped-grandfather.html

 

[Jennifer17]

Photo of the farm here in this new article. I guess that could be the converted shed that housed Katrina and her children ... off to the right, near the very empty and dry looking veggie garden.


"Police only handed the property back to relatives on Wednesday, the commissioner said.

The drought took its toll. Crops did not always grow as planned. The dam Peter dug was completely empty last week, Dr Haynes pointed out."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5743619/Margaret-River-massacre-demons-troubled-warped-grandfather.html

That shed is considerably smaller than the big colourbond sheds that I have known people to live in while they are building a house on the property (cough, cough). One of my friend's daughters lives in one and it is huge. It has three bedrooms, two bathrooms, false ceilings and room at the back of the living quarters for tractors and other farm stuff.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was thinking how Peter must have walked over to the shed in the dark - sunrise there is at around 7am according to Google.
I suppose the autopsies have determined who he killed first ... his wife (possibly first and in their home?), or his daughter and her children.


The bodies of Katrina Miles, her parents Cynda and Peter Miles, who own the property, and her four children, were found just after 5am Friday in what has been described as Australia’s worst mass shooting since the Port Arthur massacre.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/so...argaret-river-in-was-south-west-ng-b88833012z

 

[Jennifer17]

I was thinking how Peter must have walked over to the shed in the dark - sunrise there is at around 7am according to Google.
I suppose the autopsies have determined who he killed first ... his wife (possibly first and in their home?), or his daughter and her children.


The bodies of Katrina Miles, her parents Cynda and Peter Miles, who own the property, and her four children, were found just after 5am Friday in what has been described as Australia’s worst mass shooting since the Port Arthur massacre.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/so...argaret-river-in-was-south-west-ng-b88833012z

I always have trouble thinking about that and who was killed first and how frightened the others must have been.

 

[SouthAussie]

I always have trouble thinking about that and who was killed first and how frightened the others must have been.

Me. too. And when I see the happy pics of Cynda, Katrina, and the children, I feel so very sad for them.

I was looking at the time when many people die (in hospital) and it seems it is around 4am. I wonder if Peter selected this time period on purpose. It is when the body's natural sleep hormone melatonin is very high, when a person is most relaxed, when adrenalin and blood pressure are at their lowest.


3.00AM
An asthma attack is 300 times more likely due to airways narrowing as adrenaline and anti-inflammatory hormones are at their lowest.

4.00AM
This is when you are most likely to die. Hospital deaths are more common at this time, possibly because blood pressure is at its lowest.

5.00AM
Night-shift workers will feel like dropping off because of high levels of sleep hormone melatonin.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/revealed-how-the-human-body-clock-1011129

 

[Jennifer17]

Me. too. And when I see the happy pics of Cynda, Katrina, and the children, I feel so very sad for them.

I was looking at the time when many people die (in hospital) and it seems it is around 4am. I wonder if Peter selected this time period on purpose. It is when the body's natural sleep hormone melatonin is very high, when a person is most relaxed, when adrenalin and blood pressure are at their lowest.


3.00AM
An asthma attack is 300 times more likely due to airways narrowing as adrenaline and anti-inflammatory hormones are at their lowest.

4.00AM
This is when you are most likely to die. Hospital deaths are more common at this time, possibly because blood pressure is at its lowest.

5.00AM
Night-shift workers will feel like dropping off because of high levels of sleep hormone melatonin.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/revealed-how-the-human-body-clock-1011129

4am

I wouldn't be as precise as that 4.00AM, between 2 and 4 has been my experience and maybe Peter was feeling at his lowest at that time too.

And the 5 AM time might depend on the job that you have. 5Am for night nurses is the busiest part of their shift. They are not nodding off then.

 

[SouthAussie]

Media Watch has done a piece on these murders - it aired on TV last night - to do with how this type of thing is reported by journalists. How so many articles say "What a good bloke he was" when he, in fact, committed the most horrendous of crimes. Crimes he will never be charged for, or face in a murder trial.

It is interesting to read a coroner's take on it, and Domestic Violence Victoria's take on it (in the article).




..... it is a disgraceful act that we should condemn … driven by a view of women and children as commodities to be controlled by a man.

In other words, the fact that everyone thought the killer was a good bloke doesn’t necessarily mean that he was, at least not to his family.
So, proceed with caution.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4846264.htm

 

[MRichards]

Media Watch has done a piece on these murders - it aired on TV last night - to do with how this type of thing is reported by journalists. How so many articles say "What a good bloke he was" when he, in fact, committed the most horrendous of crimes. Crimes he will never be charged for, or face in a murder trial.

It is interesting to read a coroner's take on it, and Domestic Violence Victoria's take on it (in the article).




..... it is a disgraceful act that we should condemn … driven by a view of women and children as commodities to be controlled by a man.

In other words, the fact that everyone thought the killer was a good bloke doesn’t necessarily mean that he was, at least not to his family.
So, proceed with caution.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4846264.htm

No one has said Peter Miles was a good bloke.
Peter Miles had suffered a mental break down after the loss his son.

Peter Miles had been on treatment and councilling for a period of time.

Peter Miles was deranged.

 

[bluesneakers]

Media Watch has done a piece on these murders - it aired on TV last night - to do with how this type of thing is reported by journalists. How so many articles say "What a good bloke he was" when he, in fact, committed the most horrendous of crimes. Crimes he will never be charged for, or face in a murder trial.

It is interesting to read a coroner's take on it, and Domestic Violence Victoria's take on it (in the article).




..... it is a disgraceful act that we should condemn … driven by a view of women and children as commodities to be controlled by a man.

In other words, the fact that everyone thought the killer was a good bloke doesn’t necessarily mean that he was, at least not to his family.
So, proceed with caution.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4846264.htm

Exactly. And the most important witnesses have been silenced by him.