Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #12

[Watsonian Institute]

yes, i think so

wasn't the unlawful homicide declared even before the body was found?

Just clarifying your query, Spratsmum. This news link (and many others) show it was after the discovery of her body.

http://m.smh.com.au/queensland/poli...n-after-womans-body-found-20120430-1xu2l.html

 

[marlywings]

Exactly. It worries me that the car has been seen (eg on camera at the roundabout) but how to prove he was driving? I wonder if this type of thing has contributed to the hold up in arrest etc. In court it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt - they need more than just a sighting of the car. Frustrating.

Yes I think that might be a major stumbling block...they would need a positive id of him driving that car or being in a location between the residence, roundabout or creek.

 

[Detect]

It has been somewhat confusing this "went for a walk/watching tv"...the original reports only stated she was last seen at the residence. By Sunday 21st it was just "he went to bed".

Then through the next week Courier Mail was mostly saying "she went for a walk at 10pm"...I've no idea where they got that from.

This was later cleared by Inspector Ainsworth saying GBC had maintained the last time he saw Allison was 19th at 10pm watching tv.

But then he told Allison's parents "she went for a walk"...


In the very first report listed by police on QPS site it stated...

Ms Baden-Clay was last seen at a residence on Brookfield Road at Brookfield around 10pm last night.

http://qpsmedia.govspace.gov.au/2012/04/20/missing-person-brookfield/

Sunday Mail, April 21, 2012

Mrs Baden-Clay was last seen by her husband before going to bed.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Baden-Clay.htm
In this report...

May 04, 2012

"He (Mr Baden-Clay) just said she went for a walk and she didn't return - that's all he said," Mr Dickie said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/grief-for-lost-daughter/story-e6freoof-1226346302840

Now I understand why I was confused :banghead: Thank you

 

[linette]

Cross country courses generally are bushland and I would think, given the google map of the area around there, I am sure I saw it here today, it might require clearing some areas. They are primary school children, so snakes could be an issue.

I don't know about that school, but the few I do know of have the track well cleared before cross country day, as they do practice runs on it aswell. ... that is assuming that he would have helped clear it anyway.

 

[Thinking]

Yeah, I think so too....Almost like she is saying...."Oh we were doing something pretty risque.....and she was out cold.....we knew she was out cold....But man, it was a bit of a shock to us, to discover she was DEAD".

A la Michael Hutchence.

Sorry, but what was the comment about not expecting her to die? Wasnt it that her death was a terrible shock? (not being critical, just wondering if I missed something)

 

[Mani]

Hi, I'm posting this again, as I didn't receive a reply from anyone yet.
Sorry if you have discussed this before, but in reading through the posts I simply can't determine what his actual statement was - too many IMO's. Can anyone help please.

lease:

I wanted to answer; ALL OF THE ABOVE, as per what I have read in the media.

:gthanks: to Marly Wings for finding the links.

 

[CJ60]

Where did this idea about chains begin? Seems a bit nonsensical to me unless I have missed something?

I agree - missed a lot of posts - work commitments - but chains from Coles??
Have no idea if it is fact or rumour!

 

[kailee]

From the initial news about the discovery of the body, my thoughts were that she was thrown from the bridge.

People say this is not a plausible theory because there would have been signs of 'foul play' on the body, ie. broken limbs etc - and QPS have indicated there was no sign of foul play.

I'm no expert, but if the body was thrown into deep enough water, the force would not be strong enough to break limbs.. what do u think?

http://tides.willyweather.com.au/qld/brisbane/brisbane-river--kholo-creek.html
From the tide times that night , if the body was dumped at 11pm-sh it was high tide (2.3m). Low tide (0.6m) was at 6.18am. If it happened close to 4am the water would be approx 1.1m.

 

[JK673]

Cross country courses generally are bushland and I would think, given the google map of the area around there, I am sure I saw it here today, it might require clearing some areas. They are primary school children, so snakes could be an issue.

As a teacher in the Brisbane area who runs cross country carnivals I can assure you that a primary school cross country carnival WILL NOT be in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. Primary school x-country carnivals are normally run up to 3km and normally laps around the school - hence parent audience - or laps around a PARKLAND with some hills.

Senior Secondary school carnivals (up age 17-18 yrs) are not even held in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. There is always a path through the 'bush' already.

And that is a fact...........you can trust me on that one....

 

[Detect]

I wanted to answer; ALL OF THE ABOVE, as per what I have read in the media.

:gthanks: to Marly Wings for finding the links.

Yes, very well covered Marly Wings. Your filing system is exemplary
Thanks again

 

[willough]

As a teacher in the Brisbane area who runs cross country carnivals I can assure you that a primary school cross country carnival WILL NOT be in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. Primary school x-country carnivals are normally run up to 3km and normally laps around the school - hence parent audience - or laps around a PARKLAND with some hills.

Senior Secondary school carnivals (up age 17-18 yrs) are not even held in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. There is always a path through the 'bush' already.

And that is a fact...........you can trust me on that one....

Ours is on a path in bushland (they go through this bushland obstacle 3 laps).....and we do have a school oval, but have adjoining bushland useable for this. Definitely no undergrowth...

 

[linette]

As a teacher in the Brisbane area who runs cross country carnivals I can assure you that a primary school cross country carnival WILL NOT be in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. Primary school x-country carnivals are normally run up to 3km and normally laps around the school - hence parent audience - or laps around a PARKLAND with some hills.

Senior Secondary school carnivals (up age 17-18 yrs) are not even held in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. There is always a path through the 'bush' already.

And that is a fact...........you can trust me on that one....

Thankyou for that. Being a mum who has attended way too many cross countries over the years, that's exactly what I thought too.

 

[Berry]

If she was thrown off the bridge there would be injuries.

No visible signs of foul play doesn't mean there was no damage to the body, only that the damage was caused post morteum.

I have also alway thought the best friend who made the comment about not expecting her to die was odd. Odd enough I mulled over it many times but I never came up with her being a POI. But I don't think it is out of the question tbh. It is such an odd statement. Why would she expect ABC was going to die?

BBM

Could you please give us a link to that as I do not remember it in that form or phrasing at all?

 

[kiwi50]

As a teacher in the Brisbane area who runs cross country carnivals I can assure you that a primary school cross country carnival WILL NOT be in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. Primary school x-country carnivals are normally run up to 3km and normally laps around the school - hence parent audience - or laps around a PARKLAND with some hills.

Senior Secondary school carnivals (up age 17-18 yrs) are not even held in bushland requiring clearing of undergrowth. There is always a path through the 'bush' already.

And that is a fact...........you can trust me on that one....

Yes even though I'm in NZ I couldn't imagine primary school children having to run through scrub/brush in Australia. Wouldn't be worth the risk of a child encountering some wildlife or getting lost.

 

[marlywings]

From the initial news about the discovery of the body, my thoughts were that she was thrown from the bridge.

People say this is not a plausible theory because there would have been signs of 'foul play' on the body, ie. broken limbs etc - and QPS have indicated there was no sign of foul play.

I'm no expert, but if the body was thrown into deep enough water, the force would not be strong enough to break limbs.. what do u think?

http://tides.willyweather.com.au/qld/brisbane/brisbane-river--kholo-creek.html
From the tide times that night , if the body was dumped at 11pm-sh it was high tide (2.3m). Low tide (0.6m) was at 6.18am. If it happened close to 4am the water would be approx 1.1m.

I'm not totally sure on this but from what I've read of other cases & it's gross but when a body is thrown into water or a person suicides by jumping from a bridge into water...the body goes to the bottom & can become stuck in the mud (depending on the height/drop & depth of the water)

As time passes, gases in the body build up & the body can float to the surface....depending on how trapped in the mud it is.

When I first saw the photos of that creek bridge I thought she may have been thrown over...now I think Allison's body was dumped somewhere up around the scout camp as this is where majority of police searches seem to be taking place & the body was washed down in that deluge of rain weekend 28th/29th April. Locals have described some of those creeks as raging torrents

..just my opinion.

 

[CJ60]

From the initial news about the discovery of the body, my thoughts were that she was thrown from the bridge.

People say this is not a plausible theory because there would have been signs of 'foul play' on the body, ie. broken limbs etc - and QPS have indicated there was no sign of foul play.

I'm no expert, but if the body was thrown into deep enough water, the force would not be strong enough to break limbs.. what do u think?

http://tides.willyweather.com.au/qld/brisbane/brisbane-river--kholo-creek.html
From the tide times that night , if the body was dumped at 11pm-sh it was high tide (2.3m). Low tide (0.6m) was at 6.18am. If it happened close to 4am the water would be approx 1.1m.

Hi Kailee,

My thoughts would be the risk involved in being seen, if the murderer stopped to throw Allison off the bridge. I have always been of the opinion Allison was left upstream - and washed down in the floodwaters; but now we hear there were chains? It did seem odd to leave Allison in water but not weigh her body down...

Chains - fact or rumour?

 

[willough]

I think people have just deciphered the friends wordings differently.....Some have felt her
"It (her death) was a complete shock to all of us.'' to be fair enough....Others have felt it to be more indepthed. It is to them to decide what they think about a comment.

http://www.news.com.au/allison-baden-clay-a-model-mum-says-best-friend/story-e6freoof-1226353690726

To be "shocked" that one is dead, is to mean you thought they weren't, in some peoples eyes.

 

[Zorro]

Some more local rumour to keep you all out of trouble tonight..
I heard that CCTV captured an image of someone removing the chain that night.

The Kenmore Traffic Camera does not capture enough of the image to see where the posts are that potentially could have chains. I was there again today( welcome to my world) and noticed another two posts on the entrance but no chains to be seen.. MOO. i just like saying that.

I don't think the 'chain theory' has any credence. That is a multi-tenancy development with all kinds of businesses besides Coles. They wouldn't put chains across the three driveways and if they did they would probably expose themselves to a huge lawsuit from someone who accidently crashed into them or tripped over them.

The 'chain theory' is in my rubbish bin.

 

[Watsonian Institute]

The CM Online published a picture gallery headed "Murders that Baffled Queensland". It highlights that not every case is able to be solved.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gallery-e6frer9f-1111120665775?page=1

 

[DunnoZo]

Where did this idea about chains begin? Seems a bit nonsensical to me unless I have missed something?

me too, but someone, sorry don't know who, mentioned chains regarding the possibility of the missing hand.. someone else mentioned the chains and the entrance to the carpark @ Kenmore village. I coincidentally parked there yesterday & there were posts but no chains..today my partner told me out of the blue that there were CCTV's that saw someone take a chain.. Dunno..Zo...

Humor me and give me your scenario..

p.s. i don't buy the chain thing either, but just puttin' it out there..