Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #13

[Sleuthilicious]

http://www.realcommercial.com.au/property-offices-qld-taringa-500283369

Great link! Interesting that the naming rights are available as well. I wonder if the floor space advertised is the C21 offices or other office space in the same building?? Also, I would love to know when this went on the market....with only 23 views, perhaps today or yesterday?

Great work!

 

[CJ60]

OFF TOPIC

But has to be said.

It is a pleasure being on here today, discussing our theories civilly, respecting each others opinions; no sarcasm, no rudeness, no bickering! I was about to leave. You guys have convinced me to stay.

Thank you!

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

OFF TOPIC

But has to be said.

It is a pleasure being on here today, discussing our theories civilly, respecting each others opinions; no sarcasm, no rudeness, no bickering! I was about to leave. You guys have convinced me to stay.

Thank you!

yes..but I am about to leave..RL beckons and need a break. But I agree.

 

[Heyerdahl]

I don't know if his lawyer is busy, yet. He'll get busy when he gets a copy of the criminal charge/s and police evidence. Until then, he has an *innocent* client.

I'm under the impression that if a person confesses their guilt to their lawyer...game over. In other words, they continue the lies.

I'm sure we will hear "just because my client had an affair, doesn't make him a murderer" blah blah blah.

But - having an affair really doesn't necessarily make him a murderer - does it??!

 

[xfiles]

Even if they didn't have a huge portfolio of properties for sale they may have a large rent roll which I assume would bring in some $$$$$$$$$$ so maybe basing theories on how many houses are listed becomes irrelevant. So next question is how do yo:waiting:u find out how big the rent roll was :waiting:

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

I've been thinking about the "story" presented by GBC and his sister in that pathetic & embarrasing interview in their parents' front yard. I've reviewed it and was again struck by the family "story" they promoted of a depressed Allison running away from home of her own volition. Without too big a leap of logic, it suggests that this was the line that the family unit was discussing and supporting at this stage.

Why would they choose this as the likely reason for Allison's disappearance?

If her body had never been found, which was a strong possibility, this "story" could have achieved credibility. In retrospect, it looks contrived.

 

[GlobeArtichoke]

Additional info on GBC's litigation with Flight Centre back in 2000/2001:

An online public search of the civil files held by Queensland Courts for "Flight Centre" brings up a list of all historical court proceedings involving the company.

http://apps.courts.qld.gov.au/esearching/Results.aspx?Lastcompanyname2=Flight+centre

If you scroll down to GBC's listing (originally found and link posted in a previous thread by another sleuther), you'll see that there is an identical case (damages claim) listed immediately above under another gentleman's name.

Notice that they share the same solicitor and each claim was filed a day apart. By following their document links you'll also see that Flight Centre Limited lodged a Notice of Intention to Defend for both cases at the same date and time in Feb 2001. There is also an absence of any further court proceedings from both plaintiffs and defendant - perhaps they all sorted things out through mediation, or the plaintiffs realized they weren't likely to succeed by going any further?

IMO, it's a dead-end and irrelevant 'clue' that we can all probably forget about.

 

[CaseClosed]

No, not saying its not. Just I think it may be rumour based on the reports of no visible signs of foul play on initial exam. Because if found with chain wrapped around, then thats pretty visible. Don't think anyone chains themself up and dumps themselves. But I am quite prepared to accept maybe thats something that is being kept quiet by police(not sure if they would or not).

IMO it is this way: When this initially happened, the detectives were still in a state of "we are not quite sure yet about what really happened here" and they were being accosted by the media, left, right and centre. They have to be very careful not to reveal what they know. I believe the "no foul play" statement may be a bit of a "don't want to answer specific question from you, journo, because we have a pretty good idea who killed her". The "no foul play" IMO is also an underlying message to the perp meaning "this was no stranger that killed her".

If I remember correctly, very early in the investigation, GBC was mentioned as a "suspect/POI", but it was quickly corrected to be "no comment". Not everything that has been said on camera (or the press) is totally correct, i.e. some are still reporting she went for a walk at 10pm.

 

[kailee]

I've been thinking about the "story" presented by GBC and his sister in that pathetic & embarrasing interview in their parents' front yard. I've reviewed it and was again struck by the family "story" they promoted of a depressed Allison running away from home of her own volition. Without too big a leap of logic, it suggests that this was the line that the family unit was discussing and supporting at this stage.

Why would they choose this as the likely reason for Allison's disappearance?

If her body had never been found, which was a strong possibility, this "story" could have achieved credibility. In retrospect, it looks contrived.

A dead giveaway that it was a constructed sympathy-suck story is when he says 'they've got 3 kids'.
In his mind, he's obviously thinking 'what do people want to hear? how can I play the sympathy card, to get the public on side?' and instead of saying things from the heart and from his perspective, his head accidently blurts out what's ticking over in his cold and calculating brain IMO

 

[CaseClosed]

Great link! Interesting that the naming rights are available as well. I wonder if the floor space advertised is the C21 offices or other office space in the same building?? Also, I would love to know when this went on the market....with only 23 views, perhaps today or yesterday?

Great work!

I think it was first mentioned here about 3 days ago.

 

[CJ60]

Even if they didn't have a huge portfolio of properties for sale they may have a large rent roll which I assume would bring in some $$$$$$$$$$ so maybe basing theories on how many houses are listed becomes irrelevant. So next question is how do yo:waiting:u find out how big the rent roll was :waiting:

This could be interesting.. a poster said Allison recently took over the rentals side of the business.. and if he doesn't come on and confirm this...looks like I will have to go back over past threads and dig out his posts.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

IMO it is this way: When this initially happened, the detectives were still in a state of "we are not quite sure yet about what really happened here" and they were being accosted by the media, left, right and centre. They have to be very careful not to reveal what they know. I believe the "no foul play" statement may be a bit of a "don't want to answer specific question from you, journo, because we have a pretty good idea who killed her". The "no foul play" IMO is also an underlying message to the perp meaning "this was no stranger that killed her".

If I remember correctly, very early in the investigation, GBC was mentioned as a "suspect/POI", but it was quickly corrected to be "no comment". Not everything that has been said on camera (or the press) is totally correct, i.e. some are still reporting she went for a walk at 10pm.

Yep I do agree. They may not have been wanting to let anything out there.

Just on the GBC being named POI. Yes right at beginning he was named POI. A couple of days later I heard it reported he was 'officially no longer a POI'. But when asked since you're right, it has been 'no comment'. :waitasec:

 

[Keentoknow]

Liquidation was mentioned by another poster - not known as fact; 12 properties for sale - doesn't seem like a lot. And compare the old office site to the flashy new one. When the Real Estate business is doing well, I get fliers from all the local offices - they want to get listings;but it has been very quiet. And it's just my opinion, CaseClosed; who knows.. they could have been chugging along nicely.

http://www.century21.com.au/westside/

This is what happens today with this site. Click it and see.

About 7 days ago there were only 4 houses for sale.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

A dead giveaway that it was a constructed sympathy-suck story is when he says 'they've got 3 kids'.
In his mind, he's obviously thinking 'what do people want to hear? how can I play the sympathy card, to get the public on side?' and instead of saying things from the heart and from his perspective, his head accidently blurts out what's ticking over in his cold and calculating brain IMO

I never heard it as 'they've' got 3 kids. I heard him say ...'I'm trying to look after my kids. We've got 3 kids'. I did think the first part 'my' kids could be telling(though not necessarily)

 

[Fuskier]

Hi, I've been reading for a while, but this is my first time joining in.
... I found an interesting set of lecture notes about bodies in water and ruling out causes of death - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf

JACKIBEE: What an informative post. Thank you. Very interesting read of decomposition of a body submerged in water.

 

[bearbear]

regarding the chain rumour-
maybe the chain was found in the creek bed near allisons body or at the initial dumping ground, it may have fallen off her body due to decomposition in the water.
its just a weird rumour and seemingly a few different people have heard it, not saying that means its true, but it could be.
the autopsy may have shown chain indentations or metal particles on her skin which may have paired up with items of interest found at the scene

 

[sheldor]

thanks JackieBee, what a good and relevant article...it quickly highlights that drowning would be either ruled out or determined as the cause of death very early on.

This reminds me of a case where a teenager went missing from her home and was found two weeks later. The exact cause of her death could not be pinpointed, and it was not known for sure whether she was alive or dead when she went in the water. Nevertheless, a man was convicted of killing her. The jury heard evidence from pathologists about the various things that could have caused her death, but ultimately it was a question of fact for them to decide between them which it was.

 

[Heyerdahl]

I have no idea on a broken neck sorry.
I vaguely remember seeing TV shows where people have broken their necks and it's not that obvious (eg their neck isn't snapped in half)

When the "love tap" rumour came out I thought a struggle and an accidental blow to the back of the head could have lead to the "no visible signs of foul play" comment from police.
If that were the case however you would just call the ambulance and say they tripped and fell backwards onto the bench etc. Same with falling down the stairs, it could easily be covered up as a simple accident.
I think there is more direct than an accident/struggle gone too far.

Which makes me think that it just might not be GBC who is the culprit. If you think about it in fact, unless someone has actually been strangled, stabbed or bludgeoned to death (which would presumably leave blood spatter and all kinds of mess on floor coverings / walls, etc. to have to try and clean up, as well as maybe giving other clues like missing household items used in the killing), most other fatal domestic violence injuries could successfully be argued away by a perpetrator as unfortunate domestic accidents...especially when there are no witnesses.

 

[dork_whisperer]

But - having an affair really doesn't necessarily make him a murderer - does it??!

No! If every man or woman who had an illicit affair became a murderer..there might only be adulterers and murderers left!

However, a relationship triangle (not gonna call it love) and jealousy is top of the list for motivation to murder. Definitely not the only motive though.

The Maria Korp case is a good example. Maria's husband ultimately committed suicide (good riddance) and his mistress is in jail for a long time for causing Maria's drawn out death. Took her a while but she eventually realized she'd been duped. Too late for Maria unfortunately.

My point is however that if GBC faces a trial - his affair will be used in his defence and you've just proved how that will work to create reasonable doubt.

 

[Nads]

yes..but I am about to leave..RL beckons and need a break. But I agree.

I was reading Rugby League beckons, then I realised der Real Life!