Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #13

[UnfoldingTruth]

Sprats....Thanxabunch lovely. That first point you touch on....I had heard that too. I didnt want to mention it because I am in Melbourne and my info is from a Melbourne detective, who knows a detective in Brizzy (ie....someone who knows someone who knows....blah blah blah). He rolled his eyes when I mentioned her...and said, they are doing all this for the Dickie's and the three girls.

I am thankful that I was on timeout when I heard this from him.

You had timeout too? lol.

interesting what I had heard had also reportedly come from detective(2nd hand). Have not thought appropriate to say because of the whole situation. but makes me wonder..

 

[CaseClosed]

stop stealing my thoughts or I may have to make fun of my/your posts and that wont be pleasant for me or you........

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:seeya:

:floorlaugh:

 

[marlywings]

213# Maybe that is what this is really about, she mentioned divorce, which for him meant losing the kids and he just lost it, that has always been my suspicion.

Yes the big D word was probably mentioned...his business was going down the old gurgler...endless fights with Allison over money & mistresses......she decides enough is enough, ready to up & leave & take the girls with her....he kills her...throws her down the stairs or strangles her.

 

[Heyerdahl]

I've been thinking about the "story" presented by GBC and his sister in that pathetic & embarrasing interview in their parents' front yard. I've reviewed it and was again struck by the family "story" they promoted of a depressed Allison running away from home of her own volition. Without too big a leap of logic, it suggests that this was the line that the family unit was discussing and supporting at this stage.

Why would they choose this as the likely reason for Allison's disappearance?

If her body had never been found, which was a strong possibility, this "story" could have achieved credibility. In retrospect, it looks contrived.

At the time (when I watched the original interview) I also thought that OW (Olivia's) remark that "She (ABC)was depressed" was unnecessary and uncalled for - unless she and the family were deliberately trying to create a 'believable scenario' that would explain ABC's disappearance and (possible) death: her/their attempt to protect GBC. It was offered too quickly, IMO. However, given where ABC's body was eventually found, surely OW's remark would lead one to think that she really had no idea where ABC / her body actually was - because there seems zero chance now that anyone could attribute the death to 'suicide'.

 

[spratsmum]

Yes the big D word was probably mentioned...his business was going down the old gurgler...endless fights with Allison over money & mistresses......she decides enough is enough, ready to up & leave & take the girls with her....he kills her...throws her down the stairs or strangles her.

It sounds to me that he either punched the poor woman and caused internal bleeding or he pummeled her head so hard into a wall that he has caused a brain injury, neither of which would be visible from the outside. If this was the case perhaps the poor woman didn't die straight away, God I hope she did, and perhaps that is why the time frame of 8pm to 4 am is involved.

Allison may your Rest in Peace - your journey on earth is over - may you now only know peace and love

 

[CaseClosed]

213# Maybe that is what this is really about, she mentioned divorce, which for him meant losing the kids and he just lost it, that has always been my suspicion.

I agree. My theory has always been that there was a prior history of DV recorded by police (hence the quick response), she mentioned the D word, he lost it, beat her (went too far this time) and then panicked, seeking someone's help to cover-up what happened. IMO.

 

[minni]

I agree completely that Allison may not have been an angel, but say ot on here and you get your head bitten off. Also we don't know there was no fighting in front of the children.

Everyone keeps on saying "Allison loved her girls so much she wouldn't have fought on front of them".

Hogglewash! If tension was simmering for a while, they werent getting on, financial troubles and affairs, they would have been at each others throats. Allison was human, and NO ONE can keep everything from their children. Children pick up tension, they have a sixth sense for it. Certainly events that lead to a murder would have been obvious.

They didn't sit down and have a cup of tea and a cuddle on the couch, then he said "Come outside, I'm going to abuse the crap out of you, away from the children"

THANKYOU....I think its safe to say that every person on this site who is a father or a mother or a carer, regardless of how much they love their child, hasn't at different times, lost their cool, showed their emotions, been unable to hide their tears etc from their children AT SOME POINT. It doesnt make you a bad person, it makes you human. If someone here suggest anything negative about Allison, its true, you do get a barrage of 'no, not possible's.
I think it is safe to say that Allison was a loving mother, and a good person. Its also safe to assume, with respect, that she had her own secrets, and skeletons in her closet. Show me anyone who doesn't and I'll show you a liar.

 

[marlywings]

You had timeout too? lol.

interesting what I had heard had also reportedly come from detective(2nd hand). Have not thought appropriate to say because of the whole situation.

So now we have not only half the police force blabbling their mouths off...we also have homicide detectives spreading the word ...lol.

I don't believe for one minute this would be happening in a case as huge as this one.

 

[Petro]

264# Yep - He probably couldn't have cared less about waving her goodbye, but his daughters?

 

[Greg]

I agree completely that Allison may not have been an angel, but say ot on here and you get your head bitten off. Also we don't know there was no fighting in front of the children.

Everyone keeps on saying "Allison loved her girls so much she wouldn't have fought on front of them".

Hogglewash! If tension was simmering for a while, they werent getting on, financial troubles and affairs, they would have been at each others throats. Allison was human, and NO ONE can keep everything from their children. Children pick up tension, they have a sixth sense for it. Certainly events that lead to a murder would have been obvious.

They didn't sit down and have a cup of tea and a cuddle on the couch, then he said "Come outside, I'm going to abuse the crap out of you, away from the children"

But does it really matter if she was an angel or not, Im sure she was to her parents and her kids and she had friends and family that loved her and now miss her and would do anything to have her back.

she didn't deserve to be murdered because she wasn't an angel or wasn't a goody two shoes....

when you say.

1. Allison was not the goodie two shoes she is being made to be.

it seems like you are trying to find things to justify why something happened to her and shift the blame???

am I misinterpreting your intentions???

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

So now we have not only half the police force blabbling their mouths off...we also have homicide detectives spreading the word also....lol.

I don't believe for one minute this would be happening in a case as huge as this one.

No I agree, they probably shouldn't. Partly why I have not said anything. Because if they have said things I would think it is inappropriate to do so and they could be in trouble. What I heard came indirectly from a partner of a detective(people are human and may speak to a partner). So I don't know one way or the other. I can accept if it comes from there, there may be truth. (But on the otherhand...)

EDIT:However just wanted to add..I can't see they would be any less true or unworthy than some of the other.."word is..." or 'I heard from a friend..' or 'local gossip says.."

 

[marlywings]

It sounds to me that he either punched the poor woman and caused internal bleeding or he pummeled her head so hard into a wall that he has caused a brain injury, neither of which would be visible from the outside. If this was the case perhaps the poor woman didn't die straight away, God I hope she did, and perhaps that is why the time frame of 8pm to 4 am is involved.

Allison may your Rest in Peace - your journey on earth is over - may you now only know peace and love

Holes in walls are also caused by a whole range of things...especially in domestic disputes...fists...saucepans...whatever's handy gets thrown around.

 

[marlywings]

But does it really matter if she was an angel or not, Im sure she was to her parents and her kids and she had friends and family that loved her and now miss her and would do anything to have her back.

she didn't deserve to be murdered because she wasn't an angel or wasn't a goody two shoes....

I agree...plus she's not here to defend herself...he is though.

Also I think it's outside of TOS to be discussing this??

 

[Liadan]

Was glancing over the Aussie Criminals forum and saw that the Super Sleuth Marg Helgenberger (check bolded) had quite a potential to be another person of interest in the affairs of the heart of GBC. JMHO

 

[Makara]

How to Detect Lies.

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

I found this article interesting in relation to GBC's one and only interview. It is also interesting to note when a perp states "I've told the Police everything I know." it is usually a red flag. What they're really saying is "I don't want to say anything more, leave me alone." I've seen this in a few cases I've followed and the person who has made that statement or similar has been found guilty of the crime every time. MOO.

NOTE - This post falls where it may, I'm not reacting to the most recent posts. I'm still catching up with about six pages to go.

 

[Logic27]

Hi everyone
I have been following these threads with interests since day one but have only registered today, and I hope that the following is both 'logical and rational'

In the first few threads there was a big emphasis on the search, what happened in house, finding the body and also GBCs behaviour and of course the movement of the cars. In the last few threads there have been some new angles, maybe dinner after the hairdressers, the chain theory, and new thoughts to where the body may have been dumped. I have been turning it over in my head for the last few days but what if you try to put them together in some kind of sequence;
GBCS goes to chemist in morning, may or may not attend Kenmore CC meeting, both parents attend the school running, Allison goes to hairdresser, kids have been arranged for sleepover and A and G agreed to meet for dinner to have discussion. A wants out, G is in bad mood because card got refused at Coles. They have argument over dinner, A walks out (to pick her car up at shopping centre) G is furious follows he. Kills her and dumps body in industrial bin, not many people around he did it quickly whilst she is in car. He goes home punches walls in frustration and panick, realizes her phone is still there etc. Rings Nigelaine 'help, help I finally killed her'. They get one of his friends to go out with him, one of them picks up A s car, two of them drive to Wirrabara road and dump body in Ugly Creek, weight down with chains taken from Coles car park'. Other drives As car back to the house.

Just my thoughts, would welcome any views etc

 

[bearbear]

Holes in walls are also caused by a whole range of things...especially in domestic disputes...fists...saucepans...whatever's handy gets thrown around.

heads!

 

[spratsmum]

But does it really matter if she was an angel or not, Im sure she was to her parents and her kids and she had friends and family that loved her and now miss her and would do anything to have her back.

she didn't deserve to be murdered because she wasn't an angel or wasn't a goody two shoes....

when you say.

1. Allison was not the goodie two shoes she is being made to be.

it seems like you are trying to find things to justify why something happened to her and shift the blame???

am I misinterpreting your intentions???

yes you are totally misinterpreting what I said, nothing justifies what has happened. I am merely stating what I was told.

Have you ever heard the "Chasers" song - "Everyone is a top bloke after death" it is very true.

I think Allison was a normal person, we all have a good and bad persona. What you consider wrong may not be what I consider wrong. The newspapers have painted a portrait, and some people who knew the lady are saying it is not correct.

 

[minni]

Yes the big D word was probably mentioned...his business was going down the old gurgler...endless fights with Allison over money & mistresses......she decides enough is enough, ready to up & leave & take the girls with her....he kills her...throws her down the stairs or strangles her.

never thought of the stairs before.....you would of course naturally think that this would be best dealt with with a call to the ambulance and police. But, what if GBC and 'alleged pregnant mistress' were both to blame? could they have panicked and made stupid (stupider!) choices? Its possible. I think a fall down stairs would have been identified (at least highly suspect) by a medical examiner early on, though. So if this were the case, probably hard to prove who did it?

 

[AllyG]

But does it really matter if she was an angel or not, Im sure she was to her parents and her kids and she had friends and family that loved her and now miss her and would do anything to have her back.

she didn't deserve to be murdered because she wasn't an angel or wasn't a goody two shoes....

when you say.

1. Allison was not the goodie two shoes she is being made to be.

it seems like you are trying to find things to justify why something happened to her and shift the blame???

am I misinterpreting your intentions???

I agree. I am no angel but I do try to be a kind and thoughtful person. However if it was being published what a great person I was, posthumously, there would be plenty of people I've encountered in my life that would disagree. It's just the way life goes.