Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19

[linette]

Savages was pretty gravelly. Cut my toe on glass badly there once.

Ah, that would be the one then.

 

[bellgirl]

Savages was pretty gravelly. Cut my toe on glass badly there once.

Completely! Still have the scar on my foot to proove it!

 

[linette]

Completely! Still have the scar on my foot to prove it!

Haha, sounds like a few of us have experienced the torment of Savages then.

 

[jubillee]

Yes, you are right jubillee, people who are depressed can put on a very good front, just to deal with things and cope.

However I think people are making a distinction between someone being depressed and having clinical depression. One concern about the depression being bandied about is that it is not substantiated. There are also many, many people on here who passionately believe, based on the known facts so far, that GBC and possibly members of his family have involvement in the murder, and that they have put about the idea of Allison being depressed to plant a seed that she might have suicided, or ran away in a depressed and distressed state and had a terrible accident because of it.

Understandably, when the theory of depression is raised once again in another scenario, it will bring about objections, one, because it is a rumour, and two, because it represents to many people the perpetuation of an aspect of the murderers own cover-up.

Yes there is a huge difference between being depressed and clinical depression. kind of like the difference between a headache and a migraine.

 

[Keentoknow]

Yes, I found this statement very telling, thanks for posting it. I took it to mean - "Gerard was having an affair which challenged the marriage, but Allison remained faithful and worked on her marriage right until the end". She may have even been killed for it - if she was trying to discuss issues and find solutions and Gerard did not want to hear what she had to say.

Thankyou....I feel that all she owned was his washing and was hoping to be able to perform a one party miracle for the affairs to end. I can understand her trying to keep everything together, because she would have thought it was possible. The results not evident to her at the time.

 

[itsthevibe]

Depressed can mean so many things, IMO. There's depressed as in "feeling down for a few days" and then there's clinically depressed where a person has physical ailments and sad thoughts for days and days.

If Allison said she was depressed, who can blame her? Her husband was having an affair!

Then there's the question of whether Gerard was telling people she was depressed. I've mentioned this before and I'll mention it again, the most common two things I've seen husbands who are suss in a missing wife's case say are "she ran off with another man" and "she was depressed". They want the world to think either she's out there somewhere living the high life with a new lover or that she committed suicide. Both stories are said quite often. I've been reading these cases for years and before that, read a lot of books by Ann Rule.

Kimster, you are a gem! We all needed to hear that I believe. Your wisdom and knowledge is very helpful - interesting to know how common it is for these excuses to be given by murderering husbands. And you are spot on about the depression - a better understanding of this is so important.

I will look up the books by Ann Rule.

 

[Rational]

Ah, that would be the one then.

That brings back such great memories!!

 

[bearbear]

I was just looking at some earlier news articles to remember what I have already read but have forgotten... not searching for anything in particular....

Came across this so it appears that Olivia wasn't the only one to mention that Allison suffered from depression. The news article doesn't name Allison's friends and is dated April 27, 2012 a couple of days before Allison's body was found.

Friends claim she suffered from depression but would have returned home for her daughters' sake by now.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/sea...ay/story-e6frfkvr-1226337675767#ixzz1xIOFcZZi


No obvious signs on the body means little I reckon... all it means to me is that there is no visible signs of how she was murdered but that closer examination was needed.

Notice the weeks of silence and abscence of any statements one way or another from the police. Bet they're busy boys on a roll behind the scenes.

police confirmed she was murdered almost as soon as they found her body, i think even before the autopsy, so even though no obvious trauma they could still see she was murdered

 

[Berry]

Thankyou Berry. That was huge. Now don't regret telling us. Thank god kids have mums. Such brave creatures. Xxxxxxxxx

Braver than married men who do this cheap use of 'power' like the policeman/copper husband who always said to the police (after the neighbours used to call)...

mate....she's premenstrual/ shes had a baby she has baby blues/ she is psychotic mate talk to you tomorrow.....(at work)

 

[CaseClosed]

There was a query earlier as to when the home was declared a crime scene. This report from 7 News indicates it was on the Friday:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/local/qld/a/-/local/13533390/baden-clay-house-search-normal-qld-police/

 

[Blue Bottle]

- interesting to know how common it is for these excuses to be given by murderering husbands.

I know Olivia referred to Allison suffering from depression and so did some of her friends (who were not named) in the article I read... But did Gerard or either of his parents also claim Allison was depressed? I don't remember reading that in any news article, but then I could have easily missed it.

Personally, I think that the police are above all that and have a pretty good idea at the many 'tricks' and 'manipulations' people try to swing over when giving information to them. I reckon they've heard it all...

I keep hoping that the official police silence which is quite deafening lately means they are getting closer and closer to laying a charge(s) soon.

 

[Nads]

As a kid my family use to go to Kholo, Savages and Colleges. Can't for the life of me remember which is which now... but I know one of them was more gravel/stone on the shore... coz my brothers laughed when I always ended up with bikini bottoms full of it. They use to tell me I'd poo'd without knowing. Since I was 5 i believed them. The fun days.

Me too, grew up going to Sunday School Picnics etc at all three. From Ippy myself.

BTW, I never saw anything offensive in Berry's post about DV, but then I can never see when anyone is going outside the TORs. This is the tamest forum I've ever been on!

 

[KG1]

police confirmed she was murdered almost as soon as they found her body, i think even before the autopsy, so even though no obvious trauma they could still see she was murdered

If Allison was found with her hands tied behind her, then that would be immediate evidence of murder, but not evidence of any trauma to her body, at that point in time.

 

[Greg]

I know Olivia referred to Allison suffering from depression and so did some of her friends (who were not named) in the article I read... But did Gerard or either of his parents also claim Allison was depressed? I don't remember reading that in any news article, but then I could have easily missed it.

Personally, I think that the police are above all that and have a pretty good idea at the many 'tricks' and 'manipulations' people try to swing over when giving information to them. I reckon they've heard it all...

I keep hoping that the official police silence which is quite deafening lately means they are getting closer and closer to laying a charge(s) soon.

Mrs Baden-Clay's bubbly nature might have been masking depression, friends of her husband revealed in the 11 days before her body was found.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tr...ppen-to-the-good/story-fnat7jnn-1226353374332

 

[Nads]

I know Olivia referred to Allison suffering from depression and so did some of her friends (who were not named) in the article I read... But did Gerard or either of his parents also claim Allison was depressed? I don't remember reading that in any news article, but then I could have easily missed it.

Personally, I think that the police are above all that and have a pretty good idea at the many 'tricks' and 'manipulations' people try to swing over when giving information to them. I reckon they've heard it all... .

I just think the perps had a "storyline" concocted in their minds, to make it all look like suicide, once the deed was done by the main perp. And they planted the seeds of suicide. I realise nobody fell for it, least of all the police. Perhaps they still will get off with reasonable doubt. But something must have happened with the car to stuff up their plans.

 

[itsthevibe]

Point taken and I would like to say that I have never tried to start such a rumour.However when you look at the whole picture nothing has been proven and nothing is certain here.Even what the police and media tell the public can be edited, altered etc.( like I didn't lie but I left a bit out) to help solve the case.What I guess I am trying to say is, there are some very strong opinions here based on speculation (enhancing fact) that make especially one person (and others to a lesser degree)appear guilty.It would be senseless for them to come on here to defend themselves so (if, if, if they are innocent) are they not victims too? I do not think Allison had an affair myself and have said this before. However she may have befriended someone (male perhaps) "outside the box", that nobody knew about. Why is that so unthinkable and it certainly says nothing disrespectful about her if she did. I say this with all due respect. IMO

" Information is not knowledge"
Albert Einstein

Aside from what Kimster has said, I believe that even if Allison has had an affair, it is irrelevant. The reason being, as others have pointed out, all of the police activity is focussed around the Baden-Clays and the mistress. If Allison had an affair the police would know about it, and have apparently had no interest in it - or most likely, there was no affair.

And I disagree strongly with your statement "there are some very strong opinions here based on speculation (enhancing fact) that make especially one person (and others to a lesser degree)appear guilty.It would be senseless for them to come on here to defend themselves so (if, if, if they are innocent) are they not victims too?" It is absolutely not the speculation that makes those people seem guilty - it is the facts so far. All of the facts point to them - the Baden-Clays, and TM, and particularly Gerard. There have been no facts reported that don't point to them, and possibly only a very few that point to them, that might also point to other unknown people. So no, the GBC's aren't victims, other than victims of their own making.

I do, however respect your right to disagree with the police. If you believe the majority of police activity that has been reported has been misguided, and if that turns out to be the case, then perhaps what you say is correct.

 

[Rational]

Mrs Baden-Clay's bubbly nature might have been masking depression, friends of her husband revealed in the 11 days before her body was found.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tr...ppen-to-the-good/story-fnat7jnn-1226353374332

Critical words being friends of HUSBAND !!

 

[CaseClosed]

Reports stated that the shredded paper (a bag of) came from the C21 office.
A news video showed police placed it among other things in the boot of a vehicle.

Thanks. I am trying to find a video link to a news report I watched, which I am pretty sure stated that bag(s) of shredded paper were also removed from the Kenmore home. There was even a discussion here about it being quite common for people now-a-days to have shredders at home, etc.

 

[Berry]

I don't get it.....I dont understand how this can happen....you deserve lots of love Berry
:hug:

Thanks Greggles I feel so loved now and obviously said it all wrong in my post to upset everyone.......do not be fooled by outward charming personas is what I was trying to say.

My family suffered so much with me in hospital after a craniotomy, so close to death at 44 for nothing but trust in a relationship, ex rhodesian again who knew how to rid himself of a person who questioned his philandering.

He used the girlfriend to dump me at my house and die slowly from sub dural haematomas that made so much pressure in my skull I was luckily found before I died a from it.

His 'versions' amounted to 8 the Crown stated.....and proved wrong in court.......God Bless the police saved me this time.

When they couldn't help when I was married to one........go figure.

xxxx
Thanks

 

[Greg]

Critical words being friends of HUSBAND !!

Absolutely!!!!