Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #3

[Neuromancer]

Can someone tell me the significance of having BWANA number plates and also do we know what Mr BC SNR did for a living?

Coolcat, Bwana is a term that Africans use when referring to their "boss". Having come from Rhodesia, I can tell you that it doesn't sit well with me that he uses that term on his number plates. It infers he is the "boss man", top cocky, master. All terms that do not belong in Australian society.

Yes it's very telling. There's a certain degree of situational narcissism that goes with the white colonial experience in old Africa (of course you feel superior when you've got an entire race to look down upon and order around) but "bwana" plates in Brisbane in 2012 indicate a pathological attachment to that. It also goes some way to explaining the strange (to us) behaviour in front of media who are just seen as irritating inferior beings ("oh the little people are looking at us - let's give them a show darling!").

As for his work, he's listed as a real estate agent on the 21C website.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080718224602/http://century21.com.au/westside/agenthome.htm

The text there makes for interesting analysis (with of course the obligatory mention of Grandad Bob - the real BP family must be cursing this lot right now):
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Qualified Real Estate Sales Person

Community Development Educator in Rhodesia. Avid Big Game Hunter and Conservationist. Marriage enhancement facilitator. Financial Planner. Father of three and Grandfather of six.

Nigel Baden-Clay’s personal history reads like a list of people you’d like to invite to your next dinner party, but incredibly it is simply the compilation of one incredible life so far. That it has ultimately led to a role as financial director of Century 21’s most successful Brisbane office is in many ways not surprising: completion and perfection are hallmarks of the Baden name ... as exemplified by Nigel’s grandfather, Baden-Powell, founder of the international Scout movement.
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[JES72]

If the person who comitted this act hired a lawyer to get the charge downgraded to manslaughter and has made a deal then perhaps IMO that is how Allison was found (again not mcy info about canoiest small community mm). The thing I cant get out of my head more than anything yes she has died but the way in which her death disposal of her body this is just something I cannot accept murder or manslaughter why why did her body have to be disposed of in this way this is such a shocking way for a human being to be left. Im not a totally religious person god will never forgive this person and they one person two person three persons who ever did this will got to hell IMO What sort of person does that

If a deal was made to downgrade a charge then someone would have been arrested. As there has been no arrest there have also been no charges laid or downgrading of charges done. IMO there is nothing sinister about the canoeist unfortunately happening on her remains. It was just purely bad luck for this person to have stumbled across her remains and purely good luck for the investigating police and her family that she was found as soon as she was.

 

[HN man]

Yes it's very telling. There's a certain degree of situational narcissism that goes with the white colonial experience in old Africa (of course you feel superior when you've got an entire race to look down upon and order around) but "bwana" plates in Brisbane in 2012 indicate a pathological attachment to that. It also goes some way to explaining the strange (to us) behaviour in front of media who are just seen as irritating inferior beings ("oh the little people are looking at us - let's give them a show darling!").

As for his work, he's listed as a real estate agent on the 21C website.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080718224602/http://century21.com.au/westside/agenthome.htm

The text there makes for interesting analysis (with of course the obligatory mention of Grandad Bob - the real BP family must be cursing this lot right now):
_____________
Qualified Real Estate Sales Person

Community Development Educator in Rhodesia. Avid Big Game Hunter and Conservationist. Marriage enhancement facilitator. Financial Planner. Father of three and Grandfather of six.

Nigel Baden-Clay’s personal history reads like a list of people you’d like to invite to your next dinner party, but incredibly it is simply the compilation of one incredible life so far. That it has ultimately led to a role as financial director of Century 21’s most successful Brisbane office is in many ways not surprising: completion and perfection are hallmarks of the Baden name ... as exemplified by Nigel’s grandfather, Baden-Powell, founder of the international Scout movement.
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Old Nigel sure has big tickets on himself! Have a close read of his profile - egomaniac!

 

[Willowwind]

It seems that many of us are wrong. Only 1/4 of murders in Australia are perpetrated by someone in an intimate relationship with the victim.

And 3/4 are in a non intimate relationship...hence why this inconclusive evidence is so important....sorry to blow your " so many of us are wrong" but I would hold such bold statements until more clear evidence is presented to the public

 

[barrosa]

thanks

 

[Limaes]

Yes it's very telling. There's a certain degree of situational narcissism that goes with the white colonial experience in old Africa (of course you feel superior when you've got an entire race to look down upon and order around) but "bwana" plates in Brisbane in 2012 indicate a pathological attachment to that. It also goes some way to explaining the strange (to us) behaviour in front of media who are just seen as irritating inferior beings ("oh the little people are looking at us - let's give them a show darling!").

As for his work, he's listed as a real estate agent on the 21C website.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080718224602/http://century21.com.au/westside/agenthome.htm

The text there makes for interesting analysis (with of course the obligatory mention of Grandad Bob - the real BP family must be cursing this lot right now):
_____________
Qualified Real Estate Sales Person

Community Development Educator in Rhodesia. Avid Big Game Hunter and Conservationist. Marriage enhancement facilitator. Financial Planner. Father of three and Grandfather of six.

Nigel Baden-Clay’s personal history reads like a list of people you’d like to invite to your next dinner party, but incredibly it is simply the compilation of one incredible life so far. That it has ultimately led to a role as financial director of Century 21’s most successful Brisbane office is in many ways not surprising: completion and perfection are hallmarks of the Baden name ... as exemplified by Nigel’s grandfather, Baden-Powell, founder of the international Scout movement.
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Speaking of good ol' Nigel Clay, he and Gerard's mother Elaine, changed their name by deed poll after they were married to 'Baden-Clay'.


ETA: also interesting is that Nigel's sister Gillian married their cousin William Clay!

http://www.worldbadger.com/BadenPowell.pdf

 

[AllyG]

I think everyone can agree that this isn't a random attack. So ABCs killer was known to her. There has been no mention anywhere that she had made enemies through any of her own dealings. Lots of people have commented on how loving and warm she was. So that would suggest it is either the result of an intimate homicide or she was killed to send a message to her husband. So while we know that his business is failing, there hasn't been any comments made anywhere about GBC having people against him. In fact it seems that he was the kind of guy who wanted to be everyone's friend (ie joining the Chamber of Commerce, the P&C, etc). So I can't figure out anywhere else to point the figure...

 

[angel1]

I was in the understanding to get something downgraded from murder to manslaughter you would have to be charged first????? Also while i was just reading the comments on here someone mentioned that all the team members were taken off the real estate page. I don't think GBC would have done that because weren't the computers from the house/ real esate taken by the police?? I did read about the computers been taken and i do know he had to go too the police station to get some photos of Allison for the funeral from off the computer

 

[CaseClosed]

There is not official confirmation about a lot of things, but there are some things that we have been given information about that could be total rubbish, and other info that is more likely to be true.

Someone posted recently that they are a close friend of a haridresser working in a kenmore salon who has told her that Allison did have her hair done there, and that all the staff there have been questioned. I doubt that is untrue, altho I could be wrong.

Thanks. My post was before the new person posted about her hairdresser friend confirming Allison was at the salon that evening.

 

[JK673]

Thanks for the link to the Meet the Team at C21 website - It was up there until a few days ago and suddenly it disappeared (they had deleted it all)........... good old technology - once it is there it is there.

we need to make sure we copy it or it may disappear again.

 

[AllyG]

And 3/4 are in a non intimate relationship...hence why this inconclusive evidence is so important....sorry to blow your " so many of us are wrong" but I would hold such bold statements until more clear evidence is presented to the public

Oh I wasn't saying that we are wrong about GBC being the likely perpetrator. Just that a few threads back we were saying that murder was more likely to occur in an intimate relationship.

 

[JK673]

I was in the understanding to get something downgraded from murder to manslaughter you would have to be charged first????? Also while i was just reading the comments on here someone mentioned that all the team members were taken off the real estate page. I don't think GBC would have done that because weren't the computers from the house/ real esate taken by the police?? I did read about the computers been taken and i do know he had to go too the police station to get some photos of Allison for the funeral from off the computer

http://www.century21.com.au/westside/real-estate-agents/

This is the page now - they have been removed. You could do that from any computer if need be. Does not have to be the ones he uses everyday.

The last link was provided through another medium that drags up past websites that have been deleted.
http://web.archive.org/web/200807182.../agenthome.htm

 

[AllyG]

Old Nigel sure has big tickets on himself! Have a close read of his profile - egomaniac!

A huge write up for Mamma and Pappa Baden-Clay, but none about Allison's achievements at all. I wonder why that is.

 

[BrizzychickinUSA]

http://www.century21.com.au/westside/real-estate-agents/

This is the page now - they have been removed. You could do that from any computer if need be. Does not have to be the ones he uses everyday.

The last link was provided through another medium that drags up past websites that have been deleted.
http://web.archive.org/web/200807182.../agenthome.htm

I would say a phone call to the webmaster could do it too!

 

[willough]

Possibly because in reality she had achieved so much and all they had done was change their name to Baden Clay....We couldnt have a little Aussie woman upstaging them.....oh nonononono!!!!

As someone wrote earlier about narcissism....The victim often starts out with a fab career, and then gets broken down......to make it seem they are nothing and have no worth

 

[Neuromancer]

may not be pre meditated - just took advantage of the situation

Yes. Also if you're having "issues" and you're regularly repressing the urge to fight ("not in front of the children"), a night alone could lead to an unusual degree of 'self-expression'.

 

[Limaes]

Old Nigel sure has big tickets on himself! Have a close read of his profile - egomaniac!

Same with Elaine's. Poor Allison's profile just says "Qualified Real Estate Sales Person".

 

[Limaes]

Possibly because in reality she had achieved so much and all they had done was change their name to Baden Clay....We couldnt have a little Aussie woman upstaging them.....oh nonononono!!!!

As someone wrote earlier about narcissism....The victim often starts out with a fab career, and then gets broken down......to make it seem they are nothing and have no worth

Also with narcissim, they say it is usually hereditary

 

[CaseClosed]

sorry - but to be left in the dark night cold wet exposed - why what on earth did she ever do to deserve to be "dumped" I pray that justice will prevail this is just horrendous I feel so guilty now when I hug my girls and want to cry x

It's called "panic" and "self-preservation". The perp just thought of himself and protecting himself! Cover-up to make it look like someone else did it!

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

I actually suffer from mental health issues, so meant no disrespect by that comment. Apologies if it were taken this way. I just know that when I have started taking new medication that sometimes it can mess me up. Make it hard to show emotion, hard to function, etc. So the medication may have affected the way he reacted in front of the cameras.

At no time did I suggest that 2 days in a hospital would fix a mental health issue. Otherwise I'd have admitted myself so that I hadn't suffered from my illness for more than half of my life.

I was not offended at all by your comments. They were not disrespectful or malicious. I apologise if I conveyed this in any way. My real concern is that GBC is setting up a mental health defense and could even get away with it. The references to GBC's mental health-related problems on this site (by quite a few people) seem to be increasing and my fear is that these observations will come to be cosidered as facts, like many weird ideas have done in this case.

I mentioned the 2 day stay because it's very odd and at a later date could be used as evidence to support his defense. I was just trying to show how silly it was. Plenty of people with serious acute mental health issues can't get 2 mins hospital time let alone 2 days.

Best wishes - Bobbie