Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #3

[JES72]

Does anybody know or understand enough about police procedures to be able to explain why GBC has been able to not provide a statement yet/ I thought taking statements off anyone and everyone with any information or last sightings would be mandatory, without needing to press charges first? This is even more strange to me now that the body has been found and they have stated she was murdered.
I know if you report a disturbance for instance, out the front of your house, polica take a statement, and thats nothing as bad as murder.

Based on the rights that are read to a person at the time of being interviewed by police, a person does not have to say anything but anything they do say can be used against them in a court of law. It is my understanding that you do not have to give a statement at all but it usually does not make you look favourable.

Also when you have called for police assistance you make a statement in order for them to assist you in finding the offender and dealing with it.

As a person of interest or a defendent of charges laid against you they are looking for ways to strengthen their case against you to ensure the charges stick.

 

[HN man]

I think you misunderstood my post .. i was saying we should NOT be posting rumours ..

I think you misunderstand - you stated ".... even if she is the ex lover of GBC ..".
As such, you are stating as a matter of fact GBC had an ex lover! Do you know this this as a fact or a rumour?

 

[kailee]

in case you haven't had a play with Google Cache.. just type into Google - cache:URL_without_http

eg. cache:century21.com.au/westside/real-estate-agents/

a cached version of the meet the team comes up (text only) from 30 April

 

[Neuromancer]

If a killer knows their victim, they are more likely to bury the victim underground, way out of site and in a place difficult to get to. Serial killers, organized, or disorganized tend to discard their victims without much thought to covering up. They have no ties to the victim so they don't care.

Therefor if someone was trying to make it look like some deranged killer picked her up and dispose of they body, they would probably leave it out in the open, but hidden enough to hope it got deteriorated to hinder forensics.

Very good points. Even if we can't know whether they'd thought it through in that much detail. (But then you never know - we all recreationally fantasise all sorts of weird things at times "how would I commit a perfect murder/robbery?" etc).

There's also the practical matter of time, effort, evidence. Digging a grave means a few hours serious work (omg burying dead pets is hard enough), getting mud all over your clothes/car, using a shovel that can be examined as evidence, etc.

And was it still raining that actual night?

 

[coolcat]

Of course she didn't. I am also friends with friends of hers so don't imply I have a bias one way or another.

Whoever did this deserves to be brought to justice, but the family of the perpetrator/s don't deserve to be put under suspicion or made the subject of idle gossip if they had nothing to do with it.

I understand what you are saying and respect it but I believe this website is for people to nut out possible scenario's and possibly speculate on clues and actions of people who maybe involved.

I won't lie...I am suspicious of GBC's family hiding information that could possibly help find the killer...The reason someone mentioned the brother in laws F/B page was because it was a little odd what he had written...Are we not allowed to mention this because they are friends of friends of your's>

Why are/ would they be reading what we are saying on here anyway...Don't they have more important things to be doing?

Sorry to be Narky but it is a little unfair to jump down someones throat when they are simply doing what this site is intended for??

Good for you to protect your friends friend...but honestly if they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to hide??? Get my drift?

 

[Limaes]

WILLOW & LIMAES - I don't recall police confiscating their car, for example. If their son wouldn't have been living there, they may have not been served with a warrant. Do you believe all staff working at C21 are also players in this case just because their office were searched?

I think you misunderstand what "case players" means. It means anyone who is involved whether directly or indirectly. It doen't mean 'suspects' or persons of interest. Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth is a case player too.

 

[PolyDot]

I think you misunderstand - you stated ".... even if she is the ex lover of GBC ..".
As such, you are stating as a matter of fact GBC had an ex lover! Do you know this this as a fact or a rumour?

READ my posts.. I am saying dont say that womans name EVEN if she is was his ex lover ..
My point is dont mention someones name It has been said here by lots of people - not me - that he had a lover -
I am not supporting that

 

[Strangeworld]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PolyDot
sister from townsville did not arrive till after abc went missing..
i really think his family are not involved

I was the one who was told that the sister-in-law took the kids to school the day Allison was reported missing. I have no idea if it is truth or just rumour/gossip. Is anyone 100% sure that she wasn't here already? I have no idea myself. It's hard to know what to believe on here and in the community at the moment. Makes my head spin!

Meant to say too - I don't know what time the kids were taken to school. If his sister in law wasn't already here, maybe she flew in and the kids went to school in the afternoon, to keep them out of the way of all the police, etc. Taking the kids to school at all seems so inappropriate, but that's just me.

Polydot, are you able to confirm when GBC's sister arrived? Would really like to know if rumour or fact. Thanks.

 

[crissyz]

If you scour the previous threads....(I know, so many posts) You will find it. Someone placed it in here for all of us to read.

That was me! I think its thread 2, if you search pastor it shouldn't be far from there....a few posts up I think.

I'll copy & paste if I find it, I'll go look now.....

 

[PolyDot]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PolyDot
sister from townsville did not arrive till after abc went missing..
i really think his family are not involved



Polydot, are you able to confirm when GBC's sister arrived? Would really like to know if rumour or fact. Thanks.

it is a fact

 

[Strangeworld]

it is a fact

What time did she arrive and on what day?

 

[Neuromancer]

would anyone know if it's common for a canoe to be in the area where allison was found??? Or could the person have known something considering it was supposedly a canoeist that found her???

Well it is a recreational waterway - Kholo used to be a popular swimming hole at that bridge when i was a kid (looks narrower and shallower now).

I did wonder if the canoeist regularly goes there or if he had the search in the back of his mind too, or a bit of both. I'm sure the police will have asked.

 

[Limaes]

it is a fact

Link? I don't remember reading that TIA

 

[coolcat]

not good
really what good does it do to say that woman's name .. even if she is the ex lover of GBC so what ! very tricky ground we treading on

Sorry..It was me and I wasn't thinking....! I forget that I am not speaking to friends and that it is an open forum. You are right it was wrong.

 

[itsthevibe]

What if GBC and ABC had an argument for who knows what reason (affair, finances or any of the other suggestions that have been put forward). He tries to grab her and hold her and she gets upset and scratches at his face and chest. It calms down a bit, she goes to watch tv, GBC doesn't want to deal with it and goes off to bed last seeing her watch tv. She is sitting there upset and angry watching tv and decides to go for a walk to clear her head. And I know this is a long shot and no-one wants to hear it but...

WHAT IF

She does go for a walk and is attacked by a completely unrelated person or hit by a car and taken by this person and dumped. Do you think this possible? Can anyone be 100% sure that GBD was involved.

Also, what if GBC was not 100% about the time and thought it was 10 pm he saw her but in fact it was a bit earlier say 9.30 pm that he went to bed and ABC was emotional and walked off to cool down after an argument. Could she have walked to where the screams were reported.

As I said unlikely but no-one seems to be putting out any possibilities not realated to GBC. Just some thoughts anyway will happily take criticism.

I know this is a long shot but could it be possible. For the girls I'm hoping that the father is not involved although my stomach and heart tell me different

Maybe - what you describe is possilbe but a couple of things I'd think unlikely is the physicality from her unless she was actually fighting for her life. Although it hasnt been verified, a couple of people early on said he had scratches and large bruises to his chest and that one of the bruises was like he had been kicked in the chest. As I said this isnt verified but the profile of Allison doesnt sound like she would retaliate if he was being rough with her. it's not impossilbe though.

But I think one thing we've brought up quite a few times is that if the police think it's someone else other than GBC, why would they not be warning the public to keep safe at night, giving warnings about areas to walk in, all that sort of thing. Any other case where police consider there is 'a murderer/rapist/attacker on the loose' they issue regular warnings about habits of getting on buses, being in well-lit streets, avoiding particular areas etc. There hasn't been a single word indicating there is someone out there who is a danger to the public.

 

[HN man]

Wonder if the police have discreetly bugged the various properties of the different players in this matter when they were seizing items? Pillow talk in the parents home would be interesting listening

 

[loqi]

I understand what you are saying and respect it but I believe this website is for people to nut out possible scenario's and possibly speculate on clues and actions of people who maybe involved.

I won't lie...I am suspicious of GBC's family hiding information that could possibly help find the killer...The reason someone mentioned the brother in laws F/B page was because it was a little odd what he had written...Are we not allowed to mention this because they are friends of friends of your's>

Why are/ would they be reading what we are saying on here anyway...Don't they have more important things to be doing?

Sorry to be Narky but it is a little unfair to jump down someones throat when they are simply doing what this site is intended for??

Good for you to protect your friends friend...but honestly if they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to hide??? Get my drift?

What he wrote was very typical of someone involved in a church - it was written in the flowery way that many pastors write. Basically he was just thanking those who had offered support but I understand that to those outside of an evangelical christian community it does sound strange. I haven't been involved in that for many years but I do recognise it when I see it and can interpret it as such. Others would just think it weird.

No-one said you can't comment on what is out there, but if it were me, and I knew people were dissecting my every word, it would just cause more upset. That's why I contacted them. I'm sure they are not reading this site, but it wasn't fair that they should have what they intended to be private messages to their friends broadcast to the world. Lots of people don't understand how facebook privacy settings work. I was only doing what I would like someone to do for me. I just happened to have the means to do it. I feel for anyone who is being unfairly maligned.

Personally, IMHO, some of the speculation here has been crazy and hasn't added anything to the discussion.

 

[PolyDot]

Link? I don't remember reading that TIA

No link - you will have to take it from me ..
friend in common - who told me she flew down on 'weekend' after Allison went missing ie 21 22 April ... very reliable source .. fact to me ..but appreciate not for others
Take it or leave it - just trying to be helpful

 

[angel1]

Well it is a recreational waterway - Kholo used to be a popular swimming hole at that bridge when i was a kid (looks narrower and shallower now).

I did wonder if the canoeist regularly goes there or if he had the search in the back of his mind too, or a bit of both. I'm sure the police will have asked.

Thankyou for answering me

 

[Berry]

http://www.century21.com.au/westside/real-estate-agents/

This is the page now - they have been removed. You could do that from any computer if need be. Does not have to be the ones he uses everyday.

The last link was provided through another medium that drags up past websites that have been deleted.
http://web.archive.org/web/200807182.../agenthome.htm

Open this one and find meet the team its all there.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080718224602/http://century21.com.au/westside/agenthome.htm