GUILTY Australia - Andrew, 45, Rose, 44, & Chantelle Rowe, 16, slain, Kapunda, 8 Nov 2010 #2

[Oceanboy]

Not a lot of mention about the bloody palm print left on a door frame(?). I recall seeing this somewhere. I haven't heard anything about fingerprints either. If he was a regular at the house, his prints would be all over the place no doubt. Although it's possible to determine if prints are fresh or old. A bloody handprint however, would certainly be damning evidence. Palm prints can be used in exactly the same way as fingerprints.

Seems the general consensus is that it may not have been a planned thought out attack, but rather an emotional burst of jealousy/anger/fury etc. If this is the case, I would assume that he wouldn't think as far ahead to wear gloves?

What are people's thoughts on this?

 

[Aussiecriminals]

very well done video, AussieC!

Thank you for that!

Thats ok, it goes a bit quick but I have all the pics here if anyone wants to see them one by one. (I haven't included more "Sensitive" ones as who knows where the video might be seen...) http://aussiecriminals.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/kapunda-crime-scenevictims-and-memorials/

 

[Cyclone82]

All family members had defensive wounds and all were in separate areas of the house. This is not to say they were all killed in separate areas, but it just says their bodies were found in separate areas.

If the bodies were dragged to different rooms i think dectives would have been able to determine this as they would be able to see blood markes beeing dragged across the foor

I would like to know more about where exacty the machete/samurai sword suggestion came from and how credible the source is. Is it truely from someone working on the inside? Would police just tell searchers to look for a 'knife' or 'large knife' in general? would there be a need to tell them specifically to look for a machette or samurai sword? I would think that they could be told just to look for any sort of knife in an odd place and there may not have been a need to say 'sword' or 'machete' because obviously if the searchers found any sort of blade stashed or hidden somewhere then it would be picked up as an item of concern no matter what size. Just because they may have only been told to look for a 'knife' that doesnt mean that if they come across a sword they would think 'oh dont worry about that, we were not told to look for a sword/machete, we can just leave that there' That is silly because obviously they wouldnt. So thats why im thinking the sword/machete scenario could still be plausable and the searchers may have not been need to told exactly specifically what type or size. They may have just been told 'any knife or blade, you see, we want it' From what ive seen, the searchers appear mostly to be SES and CFS, so im not sure police would have necessarily wanted/needed to tell these volunteers to look for a sword/machete and risk it beeing leaked to the mass media, the only info they needed to be told was just the fact its a knife of some sort. Thats just my take on it.

I'm sorry, but I'm confused. I've never heard of the four men with shaved heads in a silver magna...where did they come from? Obviously they would be easy to identify....?

It was on one of the local news reports on TV

I assume Police were getting desperate. ANY vehicle seen in that area they wanted to know about, no matter how inocent or normal it seemed. It didnt mean they were a suspect, they just wanted to eliminate it from inquiries. Every tiny bit of information about what vehicles were seen on that steet on the Sunday during the day, evening, early morning etc, they wanted to know about it. I guess they even could have been wanting to know what cars were there earlier on as they may have been trying to work out if somone came by during the day and just stopped to check out the house and work out their plan. We also dont know if the silver magna/4 guys was just made up by a neighbour.

 

[Psycho Kitten]

Hello all, I've been following this thread for the past few days, however this is the first time I've been able to post on this site (awaiting activation of my account). You've all been doing a great job putting forward all the relevant and interesting information about this case.

Firstly, I just wanted to say how horrific this crime is, and to let be known how saddened and sickened I feel about it. This crime has affected me deeply and as a fellow South Aussie, I feel the need to send my sincere condolences to Christopher Rowe, his extended family and the people of Kapunda, and hope that they are managing to cope in this very difficult time.

Secondly, I was at the Elizabeth Magistrates Court on the day the accused faced court. There was a heavy police and media presence, with many police being visible outside of the court building, inside in the court building (directly outside of Court Room 1 where the case was being heard), and inside the actual court room, separating members of the gallery from the accused. Sadly I can 100% confirm that in addition to the murder charges, a rape charge was also put forward, however this particular charge was suppressed (my source is a journalist). It was at this time that the people in the gallery gasped in horror, and cried, and abuse was hurled at the accused, with something to the tune of "Hope you rot in hell you f****** little p****" (amongst other things) being shouted.

As you all probably already know, a meeting is being held next Wednesday to discuss the suppression order, including what information should be released, when and why. I'm not sure whether this will take place at the court again or somewhere else? The accused will face court again on 2nd February at 11.30am, so as to give police time to investigate an alibi that has been offered. It is interesting that the accused will 'appear' via video-link as opposed to being present in person.......does anyone know why this is the case? The reporters on the day seemed amazed that this "very skinny, young-looking kid" was capable of such a horrific act.

When the friends and family emerged from Court Room 1, most were visibly shaken and upset, and they were directed into an empty Court Room 8 where they were able to compose themselves before facing the awaiting media outside. There was lots of hugging and sobbing. When they left the court building, they were confronted by a mob of media....cameras rolling and flashes going off in their faces. I felt really sorry for them. There were about 30 people there, some of which were obviously young friends of Chantelle...visibly upset and of course devastated.

After a brief speech to the media, the family members and friends left, and were being followed to their cars by the media, keen to get any further information from them. The police had to step in to escort them to their cars so that they could leave in peace!

Anyway, just wanted to share this information with you all....being at the court that day made the crime all the more 'real' for me, and I hope now, more than ever, that the accused gets to feel the full wrath of the law!

 

[Lera213]

Thats ok, it goes a bit quick but I have all the pics here if anyone wants to see them one by one. (I haven't included more "Sensitive" ones as who knows where the video might be seen...) http://aussiecriminals.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/kapunda-crime-scenevictims-and-memorials/

Thank you, bookmarked your page. Pause button is your friend.

 

[banshee282001]

It was at this time that the people in the gallery gasped in horror, and cried, and abuse was hurled at the accused, with something to the tune of "Hope you rot in hell you f****** little p****" (amongst other things) being shouted.

What made them gasp and cry specifically?

 

[Lera213]

Hello all, I've been following this thread for the past few days, however this is the first time I've been able to post on this site (awaiting activation of my account). You've all been doing a great job putting forward all the relevant and interesting information about this case.

Firstly, I just wanted to say how horrific this crime is, and to let be known how saddened and sickened I feel about it. This crime has affected me deeply and as a fellow South Aussie, I feel the need to send my sincere condolences to Christopher Rowe, his extended family and the people of Kapunda, and hope that they are managing to cope in this very difficult time.

Secondly, I was at the Elizabeth Magistrates Court on the day the accused faced court. There was a heavy police and media presence, with many police being visible outside of the court building, inside in the court building (directly outside of Court Room 1 where the case was being heard), and inside the actual court room, separating members of the gallery from the accused. Sadly I can 100% confirm that in addition to the murder charges, a rape charge was also put forward, however this particular charge was suppressed (my source is a journalist). It was at this time that the people in the gallery gasped in horror, and cried, and abuse was hurled at the accused, with something to the tune of "Hope you rot in hell you f****** little p****" (amongst other things) being shouted.

As you all probably already know, a meeting is being held next Wednesday to discuss the suppression order, including what information should be released, when and why. I'm not sure whether this will take place at the court again or somewhere else? The accused will face court again on 2nd February at 11.30am, so as to give police time to investigate an alibi that has been offered. It is interesting that the accused will 'appear' via video-link as opposed to being present in person.......does anyone know why this is the case? The reporters on the day seemed amazed that this "very skinny, young-looking kid" was capable of such a horrific act.

When the friends and family emerged from Court Room 1, most were visibly shaken and upset, and they were directed into an empty Court Room 8 where they were able to compose themselves before facing the awaiting media outside. There was lots of hugging and sobbing. When they left the court building, they were confronted by a mob of media....cameras rolling and flashes going off in their faces. I felt really sorry for them. There were about 30 people there, some of which were obviously young friends of Chantelle...visibly upset and of course devastated.

After a brief speech to the media, the family members and friends left, and were being followed to their cars by the media, keen to get any further information from them. The police had to step in to escort them to their cars so that they could leave in peace!

Anyway, just wanted to share this information with you all....being at the court that day made the crime all the more 'real' for me, and I hope now, more than ever, that the accused gets to feel the full wrath of the law!

any report on what the family of the accused stated in the brief speech to the media?

 

[banshee282001]

any report on what the family of the accused stated in the brief speech to the media?

Has the family of the accused actually said anthing yet?

 

[James23]

Hello all, I've been following this thread for the past few days, however this is the first time I've been able to post on this site (awaiting activation of my account). You've all been doing a great job putting forward all the relevant and interesting information about this case.

Firstly, I just wanted to say how horrific this crime is, and to let be known how saddened and sickened I feel about it. This crime has affected me deeply and as a fellow South Aussie, I feel the need to send my sincere condolences to Christopher Rowe, his extended family and the people of Kapunda, and hope that they are managing to cope in this very difficult time.

Secondly, I was at the Elizabeth Magistrates Court on the day the accused faced court. There was a heavy police and media presence, with many police being visible outside of the court building, inside in the court building (directly outside of Court Room 1 where the case was being heard), and inside the actual court room, separating members of the gallery from the accused. Sadly I can 100% confirm that in addition to the murder charges, a rape charge was also put forward, however this particular charge was suppressed (my source is a journalist). It was at this time that the people in the gallery gasped in horror, and cried, and abuse was hurled at the accused, with something to the tune of "Hope you rot in hell you f****** little p****" (amongst other things) being shouted.

As you all probably already know, a meeting is being held next Wednesday to discuss the suppression order, including what information should be released, when and why. I'm not sure whether this will take place at the court again or somewhere else? The accused will face court again on 2nd February at 11.30am, so as to give police time to investigate an alibi that has been offered. It is interesting that the accused will 'appear' via video-link as opposed to being present in person.......does anyone know why this is the case? The reporters on the day seemed amazed that this "very skinny, young-looking kid" was capable of such a horrific act.

When the friends and family emerged from Court Room 1, most were visibly shaken and upset, and they were directed into an empty Court Room 8 where they were able to compose themselves before facing the awaiting media outside. There was lots of hugging and sobbing. When they left the court building, they were confronted by a mob of media....cameras rolling and flashes going off in their faces. I felt really sorry for them. There were about 30 people there, some of which were obviously young friends of Chantelle...visibly upset and of course devastated.

After a brief speech to the media, the family members and friends left, and were being followed to their cars by the media, keen to get any further information from them. The police had to step in to escort them to their cars so that they could leave in peace!

Anyway, just wanted to share this information with you all....being at the court that day made the crime all the more 'real' for me, and I hope now, more than ever, that the accused gets to feel the full wrath of the law!

Thank you for the wonderful post.

So were you in the actual court room during the proceedings? Any comments on how JD reacted to the crimes put forward?

 

[Bombil]

I stated previously that I thought a machete or samurai sword was used. I read that information in the previous thread, but I don't think that is correct. Police and SES have been searching for a knife, and asked residents to also look out for a knife. Sorry if I helped in fuelling that rumour.

That makes a bit more sense to me. It just seems to fit with the nature of the crime. It seems to me to be a crime of passion/rage, which doesn't really fit with the taking of a weapon to the scene.

I am also questioning the details regarding the posing of CR. It was implied that it was done in a vengeful manner, but is it possible that this has also been inflamed by rumour? A Senior Detective stated that police could not confirm that it was a triple murder until they spoke to the pathologist who confirmed the presence of an unknown males DNA; and that this was a complex crime scene. To me this implies that it initially appeared that one of the victims could have been responsible. Were the bodies posed to make it appear that way? Is this where the posing of the body comes from?

I don't know much about this but i wouldn't be surprised if rumour does play a part in much of the info that we have seen, it's hard to say what is accdurate and what isn't.

It's just too easy for someone to post fake details on the net. Likewise, it is just as expected for people to start analysing their associations with the accused - and perhaps associating things that don't necessarily mean anything. What I am saying,although I am currently struggling for words to express it, is that after the fact it's not unusual for people to to analyse what and how this could happen. To question everything.

what happened and search for clues and some sort of answer to explain it.
I also discovered that RR was not a Mayoral hopeful as claimed here, it was the gentleman making a statement about her that was running for Mayor. RR was unemployed.

I dont personally think that changes anything. For one,Chantelle appears to be the primary target. For two, nothing wrong with a parent staying at home to raise their kids.

Where does the Harley fit in? According to a neighbour, it is only there every now and then, but it is in the crime scene pictures. So who owns it, and where are they? Could it be the initial suspect owns it?

Don't know, but it's an interesting point.

They only very recently moved into the house, in fact CR had only moved in the Wednesday before they were killed. I found it interesting that they recently moved, and the intial suspect came from the same area where they used to live. I'm curious as to why he was a suspect.

As far as I am aware they had been living there several years. Chantelle was staying at a friends place the last week or two? while she worked in a cafe in another town. She went back home a few days before though, had a party a couple days later then died the following evening.

Alarms were triggered at a nearby school, but security guard said police had not contacted him...curious as to whether this has since been checked out.

I found this interesting too but think it's unrelated. Not too uncommon for kids to cause some trouble in school grounds/other public spaces. I think it was just unfortunate timing.

It appears the surviving family member called his boss to check on the family, it was he who made the discovery.

I didnt know this. Even if he did call the boss maybe it was because he needed to contact his family for whatever reason. They wouldnt have been answering their phone for obvious reasons, so he tried the next best thing, the workplace. I know that I have done simular in the past with my husband, so it's not unreasonable.

All family members had defensive wounds and all were in separate areas of the house. This is not to say they were all killed in separate areas, but it just says their bodies were found in separate areas.

Not sure if they all had defensive wounds, but it wouldnt surprise me if they did. From all accounts the killing was brutal and disorganised, I seriously doubt that he would have dragged the bodies to different areas of the house, especially considering that he appears to have made no attempt to clean up after himself.

It was RR that was heard screaming. I think this same neighbour also reported seeing the silver Magna that 4 men with shaved heads got into earlier in the evening.

I recall hearing about the 4 skinheads but not that it was RR screaming. Can you share please

Police said it was the LandCruiser that led to the association with JD...so who owns it?...and who was driving it??

I dont know

...and who is H (womans name associated with Christmas)? It was her house over the back that was searched, I thought this was where JD lived, but that doesn't appear to be the case as you are saying his home was a fair distance away??

I dont know that either

edit: fixed some typos

 

[Cyclone82]

I haven't heard anything about fingerprints either

Checking for fingerprints i am sure is standard practice at any crime scene. They would have done it. For example they could get some unknown prints and check it against a data base and find it matches a set to someone who has committed an offence before. They could also use it as evidence in this case against the accused if they were found to be on something that he would not have normally touched by being a normal visitor to the house. You just dont know. Detectives would have just collected any and every bit of evidence they could get to build up one big package.

 

[Lera213]

Has the family of the accused actually said anthing yet?

read the next to last paragraph in Psycho Kitten's post.

 

[Lera213]

How long was LE at the house processing it or is there still crime scene tape in there and evidence still getting collected?

 

[banshee282001]

read the next to last paragraph in Psycho Kitten's post.

As far as I know, the only media briefing was done by the victim's family. I've heard of no statements made by the family of the accused.

 

[banshee282001]

I have to admit, it's hard to keep all the details straight. Has the accused been charged?

 

[Psycho Kitten]

It was at this time that the people in the gallery gasped in horror, and cried, and abuse was hurled at the accused, with something to the tune of "Hope you rot in hell you f****** little p****" (amongst other things) being shouted.

What made them gasp and cry specifically?

My understanding is that the fact that the rape charge was also put forward just made the crime all the more horrific...fuelling even more rage into the family and friends

 

[banshee282001]

My understanding is that the fact that the rape charge was also put forward just made the crime all the more horrific...fuelling even more rage into the family and friends

Is the rape charge public knowledge?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Thanks PsychoKitten (LOL) that was brilliant info...and cleared up a few things too I think!

 

[Lera213]

As far as I know, the only media briefing was done by the victim's family. I've heard of no statements made by the family of the accused.

maybe I misunderstood and it was family and friends of CR and not his family.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Is the rape charge public knowledge?

It is in Scotland

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