Found Safe Australia - Bronte & Isabella Watter, both 7, Townsville, Qld, 4 April 2014

[sleepinoz]

Yes, there is a lot out there along similar lines. I really only gave the name of that organisation so that others here could find the info, if they wanted to, as I realise it is not an official source of any kind.

I think the thing that has me wondering what is wrong with the whole picture is the cached Family Court report that I found. It seems that the girls are wards of the court, as the court gave permission for publication of their 'missing' status and publication of their photos.

The media were/are only allowed to report exactly what the Family Court has told them they can say. These are the media notes in the report. People can take the notes however they want, as I dont really want to post the link here ..... Family Court, and all.

No, they aren't wards or in foster care, it was a custody order that was breached.

It's the law in regard to minors, they had to have family court approval to put their pics out and now that they have been found they are protected because they are minors.

We won't get to know much more.............sadly.

 

[SouthAussie]

No, they aren't wards or in foster care, it was a custody order that was breached.

It's the law in regard to minors, they had to have family court approval to put their pics out and now that they have been found they are protected because they are minors.

We won't get to know much more.............sadly.

Oh, is that right? The father as the full-custodial parent couldn't give his own permission for photos and publication? That is something that I wasn't aware of. Seems unusual to me. And certainly could lead to delays of any "Amber Alert" - via the media - on stolen children.

 

[sleepinoz]

Oh, is that right? The father as the full-custodial parent couldn't give his own permission for photos and publication? That is something that I wasn't aware of. Seems unusual to me.

Yes it does seem strange, but I think it's because it was under a court order. Many parental abductions go through the same process, from what I've seen.

 

[JLZ]

Yes, there is a lot out there along similar lines. I really only gave the name of that organisation so that others here could find the info, if they wanted to, as I realise it is not an official source of any kind.

I think the thing that has me wondering what is wrong with the whole picture is the cached Family Court report that I found. It seems that the girls are wards of the court, as the court gave permission for publication of their 'missing' status and publication of their photos.

The media were/are only allowed to report exactly what the Family Court has told them they can say. These are the media notes in the report. People can take the notes however they want, as I dont really want to post the link here ..... Family Court, and all.

It could be because Family Court proceedings were going on. I think the father mentioned that as a reason for suppression of the blog page. (I can't find the suppression notice now.)

http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fla1975114/s121.html

 

[SouthAussie]

It could be because Family Court proceedings were going on. I think the father mentioned that as a reason for suppression of the blog page. (I can't find the suppression notice now.)

http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fla1975114/s121.html

I will get it to you. Yes, maybe that is it ... ongoing proceedings, nothing permanently settled yet.

The complaint says "subject to the Australian Family Law Act, that prohibits publishing information that identifies parties to family law proceedings".

 

[sleepinoz]

There is a couple on their list atm, that have been allowed to be published under the same Sec 121 publication order.

http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/w...aw-matters/missing-children/missing-children/

 

[sleepinoz]

I would think it would be more under Recovery Order, if one parent takes a child in normal circumstances they are not abducting their child. If a court has ordered custody it's a different circumstance.

http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/fcoaweb/family-law-matters/parenting/recovery-orders

 

[SouthAussie]

I would think it would be more under Recovery Order, if one parent takes a child in normal circumstances they are not abducting their child. If a court has ordered custody it's a different circumstance.

http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/fcoaweb/family-law-matters/parenting/recovery-orders

Yes, and I guess a Recovery Order would perhaps make the matter more pressing, and force authorities to do all they could to enforce the recovery .... not let it drop off the page, so to speak.

Interesting.

 

[sosocurious]

I guess a Recovery Order would perhaps make the matter more pressing, and force authorities to do all they could to enforce the recovery .... not let it drop off the page, so to speak.

Interesting.

Recovery Orders

What if the child still isn’t found?
In some situations, you may ask the Court to issue other orders to help locate the child; for example:

Location order – requires a person to give the Court information about the child’s location
Commonwealth Information order – requires a Commonwealth Government Department, such as Centrelink, to give the Court information about the child’s location that is contained in or comes into the records of the Department
Publication order – allows the media to publish details and photographs of the missing child and the person they are believed to be with. However, each case is different and the terms of the publication order can vary. This is usually a last resort and you should seek legal advice first.

http://www.federalcircuitcourt.gov....tions/publications/family-law/recovery-orders

 

[Horror]

I haven't seen the father's blog. But I did read that anything he could post to show how good he was, he posted.

I recall in another case, there were questions about the police in Townsville. I think it was the one where a woman was found murdered at her own home there, and her partner was affiliated with the police. I cannot remember if he was an officer, or just had a police association, and info became really tight about the case. There were big suspicions about his involvement in her death.

OT a bit - the other case you mention here may have been Jenny Cook. Strange case her partner was a prison guard at the jail. She apparently stabbed her self with a knife hooked up to the window frame or something. Really odd story.


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[SouthAussie]

Thanks for all the info, everyone. I have never been party to a formal custody order. I had no idea about the legalities that can ensue if orders are breached.

Ultimately, I hope it all can settle down for the girls and they land in the softest and safest place. We will never know.

 

[sleepinoz]

OT a bit - the other case you mention here may have been Jenny Cook. Strange case her partner was a prison guard at the jail. She apparently stabbed her self with a knife hooked up to the window frame or something. Really odd story.


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Yes that was a really strange one.

Also, didn't Janine Vaughan missing from Bathurst have Police connections?

 

[SouthAussie]

OT a bit - the other case you mention here may have been Jenny Cook. Strange case her partner was a prison guard at the jail. She apparently stabbed her self with a knife hooked up to the window frame or something. Really odd story.


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Yes, that is the case! I was looking everywhere for the link to refresh my memory. Strangest case, really odd scenario, and he was a prison guard.

Thanks, Horror.

There was an investigation into the handling of the case. An officer was disciplined, but Jenny's parents were disappointed with the outcome. No-one even interviewed them before the investigation about the handling of the case was closed.

The murder weapon was destroyed by a police officer, while the inquest was ongoing. And no outcome has come from the inquest, it was an open finding.

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com....e/news-story/9d89458b74f1daee5e8cd0b8aad48b3e

 

[JLZ]

OT a bit - the other case you mention here may have been Jenny Cook. Strange case her partner was a prison guard at the jail. She apparently stabbed her self with a knife hooked up to the window frame or something. Really odd story.


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I couldn't think of a Townsville one but there was the Toowoomba case of Lainie Coldwell where the partner rigged up a scene to make her death look like a fall from a tree. He was ex-police or similar.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes that was a really strange one.

Also, didn't Janine Vaughan missing from Bathurst have Police connections?

Yes, that one went into a police self-inquiry as well. With a police officer as a POI, and evidence missing.


..... which at one stage was the subject of a Police Integrity Commission inquiry.

Then, to add to the family's scepticism, the officer who oversaw the police investigation in its early stage was named as a person of interest in Ms Vaughan's disappearance at the coronial inquest eight years later.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...r-ad-in-bid-to-solve-case-20121101-28lus.html

 

[Horror]

I just hope the right thing happens for the girls. I haven’t followed this avidly but am certainly aware of them as I live North Q now. There is so much that has been said from both sides I worry for what they think or know or even what they think they know. I hope they have some healthy counselling before they hit teens.
Also I am pretty sure Jenny Cook has a thread in cold cases on here.I still haven’t worked out it link on Tapatalk sorry.


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[sleepinoz]

I just hope the right thing happens for the girls. I haven’t followed this avidly but am certainly aware of them as I live North Q now. There is so much that has been said from both sides I worry for what they think or know or even what they think they know. I hope they have some healthy counselling before they hit teens.
Also I am pretty sure Jenny Cook has a thread in cold cases on here.I still haven’t worked out it link on Tapatalk sorry.


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Here's the link Horror, just subscribe via tapatalk

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...e-Qld-19-Jan-2009/page44&highlight=jenny+cook

 

[paul1980]

I often wonder what these "underground help mothers who take their kids" would have done in my father's case as his first wife abandoned HIM and their five children in the Goldfields of Western Australia to go to America to join the Children of God cult.

 

[Cads]

Strange case this one... and google is not your friend in this instance.... some unique info out there - hard to know what to believe.
I just hope for the children's sake - that all is ok and that where they end up is the right place.

 

[sleepinoz]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...of-taking-kids-denied-bail?ocid=Social-9NewsM

[h=1]No bail for mum accused of stealing twins[/h]
A woman accused of hiding her twin girls from their father for four years understands the trouble she's in but wants to salvage her relationship with them, a Brisbane court has heard.
The 45-year-old, who can't be named for legal reasons, will remain in custody until later this month after being refused bail in Brisbane Magistrates Court on Monday.
The woman is accused of taking her seven-year-old daughters from Townsville in 2014, following the collapse of her marriage and around the time she was declared bankrupt.
Police finally found her on Friday, living with her daughters, now 11, in the regional NSW town of Taree.
She faces two counts of child stealing that could see her jailed for up to seven years.
Defence barrister Tony Kimmins told the court his client wanted a future relationship with her daughters, who are now back in Queensland with their father.
"She intends to see this through and at some stage in the future wishes to reconnect with her children but understands the trouble she's in at this point in time," he said.