Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

[ESH]

8. Anonymity 9. Online Gaming, 10. IT/Computers, 11. Collecting women's clothing (silk Kimono), 12.Scary Clowns (FB pic), 13. Alcohol (School yearbook comments) etc....Oh Damn...I still cant work out how to use this site correctly! Spooks, was attempting to reply to an earlier comment of yours.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

8. Anonymity 9. Online Gaming, 10. IT/Computers, 11. Collecting women's clothing (silk Kimono), 12.Scary Clowns (FB pic), 13. Alcohol (School yearbook comments) etc....Oh Damn...I still cant work out how to use this site correctly! Spooks, was attempting to reply to an earlier comment of yours.

Cool thanks for adding those ESH.
I got distracted and didn't finish the list!!
So thank you very much


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[apoptosisfutz]

bbm
IF, then he could regularly have "visited" her while doing his (boring?) duty on the sports field. Would make sense, IMO.

Because SS was a bit younger than the other victims possibly the CSK was ashamed of what he did... particularly if SS said she was younger than 18. If he was/is ashamed then he may have taken her a long way away and made sure she wasn't found. Something is different about SS...but why?

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[ESH]

Because SS was a bit younger than the other victims possibly the CSK was ashamed of what he did... particularly if SS said she was younger than 18. If he was/is ashamed then he may have taken her a long way away and made sure she wasn't found. Something is different about SS...but why?

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Perhaps this was the CSK's first murder and he spent a lot more time planning on how to dispose of her body (RIP Sarah). Perhaps a pre - dug grave. Then next time decided that filling in a grave took too long & risked being seen by someone.

 

[ESH]

I wonder if the accused met any of his victims through his online gaming activities...just a thought.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

I wonder if the accused met any of his victims through his online gaming activities...just a thought.

Don't think so.
Of alleged CSK Victims:
CG was away and a busy lawyer
SS young, country girl and family orientated
JR had lots of (real life) friends and a social life

3 good looking women with careers, loving families and lots of friends didn't really fit the typical gamer profile back in 90's.

But JMO


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[Spooks-R-Us]

Because SS was a bit younger than the other victims possibly the CSK was ashamed of what he did... particularly if SS said she was younger than 18. If he was/is ashamed then he may have taken her a long way away and made sure she wasn't found. Something is different about SS...but why?

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If the accused is in fact a true psychopath, and IF he murdered SS, IMO he MAY feel ashamed about killing SS - but not in the same way you or I would feel ashamed. Maybe he felt ashamed he waited too long to start killing and he thought he should've committed a similar crime years ago, or maybe the crime didn't go so well to plan, so in his eyes he 'failed' in some way.



But hey don't listen to me! I talk too much! LOL

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

As many people have said here before, its quite possible the accused CSK started out with lesser sexual criminal behaviours before allegedly attempting rape of HD victim and raping of KK victim. Sometimes rapists start out with exhibitionism, and when that thrill doesn't work anymore, they turn the fantasy of the victim being aroused by their flashing into reality by attacking and raping them.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/06/flashing_can_lead_to_worse_cri.html

 

[no name]

Whoa, been away & so much going on in the thread. Just want to respond to some of the comments over the last 28 pages or so.
BRE had lived with EE in Madora Bay prior to purchasing Huntingdale in 1991 & after selling in 1997, he moved back into Gay St with his parents. So, whilst he lived at Fountain Way throughout 96-97, you would have to assume Madora Bay was used on and off by the whole family, but was probably vacant most of the time. I've read here in WS they broke up around 1995 & dont believe the police would have told the family what they may have found there or otherwise.

It is my belief (from what Ive picked up in blogs/articles along the way - some of which has been deleted for various reasons) the '88 assault was also on Gay St. Irrespective of location, I have no doubt that the victim knew her attacker or had a very strong suspicion who he was at least & was able to provide his name to WAPOL at the time. Could you imagine this conversation - "hey sarge, remember about 2 years ago when WS members reckoned the perp might work for Telstra, well this one works for telstra, you reckon we should check him first"? Bingo!!

Pippidinny Rd may have been secluded in the sense that there werent any houses and once driving along it, there aren't too many reasons to stop along the way. But, it was a very well used track and people frequently drove up and down at all hours of the night, myself included numerous nights out fishing. I dont think anyone would've looked twice at seeing a car driving in or out of there at anytime (taxis excepted), but there was a fairly decent chance that you would be seen by someone nevertheless. On the chance that you passed them on the road, theres no way they wouldnt be able to identify your car at the very least & likely seeing your face too as they passed. So perhaps he wasnt familiar with the area at all. I think theres a good chance something went very wrong with CG. If we accept the abductions were sexually motivated and we know JR was found naked in quite dense bush, fairly close to the road & in a far more populous area south, which he would have been familiar with, & whom wasnt found for 56 days despite the close proximity to houses. Compared to CG who was further away from Claremont, carried into bush from a side track off the road and left in a much more open position, partially clothed, yet still found in 20days. Perhaps that was a spur of the moment drop far away from familiar territory. They dont seem to have much in common to me & I dont think provide any clues as to another unknown location.

Spooks - there were articles alluding to the girls having their throats cut including those from Irish Newspapers who seemed to provide alot of info about the Glennon family not published in others. Much of it appeared to have been provided from someone very close to the family at least.

Sutton - Samantha White. Have looked long and hard for any info about this girl and came up with nothing. Im at a loss to name the other 4 girls in that article either unless they are referring to a different timeframe - Barbara Weston '86, & still missing - Julie Cutler 88, or within the timeframe but country locations + still missing - Sara Davey, Broome '97, Lisa Govan Kalgoorlie '97, or street worker still missing from nightclub vicinity - Lisa Brown '98. The only one that falls into the category is Jennifer Wilby '99 found 2012. It was in the Telegraph though which is an eastern states paper so most likely to be incorrect details IMO.

Annalise - hit the Remember me button when u login.

From memory, it was within the past couple of years that Don Spiers spoke of the phone call that he received soon after SS disappeared that identified a 5600h area to him and that to this day he feels was genuine.

With the search for secluded places in Claremont in full swing - who is this in regard to - JR or the other assaults? Or have I missed something else?
If JR didnt walk down into Claremont, I'd put money on her being taken from the carpark behind the post office. It was so dark and barely used. He could have even lured her across the road from the pub under the guise of needing change for the phone or something. Theres no way she would have started walking east up Gugeri St trying to get home to Wembley so not a chance she would have been anywhere further away in that direction for no reason.
I think there were a heap of creeps hanging around in Claremont & Perth in general at the time. Not to mention the amount of people that have been subsequently charged of rapes and murders all over the world who were known to have lived in Perth at some time or another. I think there were fake cabs and fake cops & know enough first hand stories to say I consider that a fact. Having grown up in the area, going to school there and frequenting the pubs/clubs since the Conti was Cagneys and Thursday nights were full of all the kids you would see the next day at school, everyone knew everyone by face at least, & you trusted everyone regardless of whether you went to JTC, Scotch, Christchurch, Iona, PLC, MLC or Hollywood. In later years, Claremont was still considered a safe place for the girls that grew up around there regardless of the Birnies or what had happened with SS. Thats just how it was. The speedway crowd didnt hang around to socialise and rarely came over the railway line. You didnt need to pass through the heart of Claremont to get in or out regardless of where you were going. Despite what image may be conjured up about a 'busy area full of people going to pubs/clubs with the showgrounds & train stations closeby' it was far from that. 90% of the area was dark and deserted with numerous nooks and crannys to sit in wait and numerous dark small carparks to go unseen in. Best place ever to choose to abduct someone from with so many routes to get out quickly. Very few cops because there was very little trouble. I dont think anyone needed to be overly brazen to attempt multiple abductions or particularly clever to not get caught, I think it was an incredibly easy place to succeed for anyone with the desire to do so.

BRE was involved with athletics because CGE & VG were before he became involved. BRE & CGE both stayed on 1 yr after VG finished seemingly to hand over the reigns to successors, he was secretary in the last year and she was equipment officer. I dont think the motivation was anything other than a step father and mother involved with their childs sport. They met in 1998 when VG would have been 3-4yrs.

IMO, that is the best clue as to why so little is apparent after 1997.

A look at other property owners in Acton Ave may give a clue as to why he never moved.

 

[petedavo.au]

Whoa, been away & so much going on in the thread. Just want to respond to some of the comments over the last 28 pages or so.
BRE had lived with EE in Madora Bay prior to purchasing Huntingdale in 1991 & after selling in 1997, he moved back into Gay St with his parents. So, whilst he lived at Fountain Way throughout 96-97, you would have to assume Madora Bay was used on and off by the whole family, but was probably vacant most of the time. I've read here in WS they broke up around 1995 & dont believe the police would have told the family what they may have found there or otherwise.

It is my belief (from what Ive picked up in blogs/articles along the way - some of which has been deleted for various reasons) the '88 assault was also on Gay St. Irrespective of location, I have no doubt that the victim knew her attacker or had a very strong suspicion who he was at least & was able to provide his name to WAPOL at the time. Could you imagine this conversation - "hey sarge, remember about 2 years ago when WS members reckoned the perp might work for Telstra, well this one works for telstra, you reckon we should check him first"? Bingo!!

Pippidinny Rd may have been secluded in the sense that there werent any houses and once driving along it, there aren't too many reasons to stop along the way. But, it was a very well used track and people frequently drove up and down at all hours of the night, myself included numerous nights out fishing. I dont think anyone would've looked twice at seeing a car driving in or out of there at anytime (taxis excepted), but there was a fairly decent chance that you would be seen by someone nevertheless. On the chance that you passed them on the road, theres no way they wouldnt be able to identify your car at the very least & likely seeing your face too as they passed. So perhaps he wasnt familiar with the area at all. I think theres a good chance something went very wrong with CG. If we accept the abductions were sexually motivated and we know JR was found naked in quite dense bush, fairly close to the road & in a far more populous area south, which he would have been familiar with, & whom wasnt found for 56 days despite the close proximity to houses. Compared to CG who was further away from Claremont, carried into bush from a side track off the road and left in a much more open position, partially clothed, yet still found in 20days. Perhaps that was a spur of the moment drop far away from familiar territory. They dont seem to have much in common to me & I dont think provide any clues as to another unknown location.

Spooks - there were articles alluding to the girls having their throats cut including those from Irish Newspapers who seemed to provide alot of info about the Glennon family not published in others. Much of it appeared to have been provided from someone very close to the family at least.

Sutton - Samantha White. Have looked long and hard for any info about this girl and came up with nothing. Im at a loss to name the other 4 girls in that article either unless they are referring to a different timeframe - Barbara Weston '86, & still missing - Julie Cutler 88, or within the timeframe but country locations + still missing - Sara Davey, Broome '97, Lisa Govan Kalgoorlie '97, or street worker still missing from nightclub vicinity - Lisa Brown '98. The only one that falls into the category is Jennifer Wilby '99 found 2012. It was in the Telegraph though which is an eastern states paper so most likely to be incorrect details IMO.

Annalise - hit the Remember me button when u login.

From memory, it was within the past couple of years that Don Spiers spoke of the phone call that he received soon after SS disappeared that identified a 5600h area to him and that to this day he feels was genuine.

With the search for secluded places in Claremont in full swing - who is this in regard to - JR or the other assaults? Or have I missed something else?
If JR didnt walk down into Claremont, I'd put money on her being taken from the carpark behind the post office. It was so dark and barely used. He could have even lured her across the road from the pub under the guise of needing change for the phone or something. Theres no way she would have started walking east up Gugeri St trying to get home to Wembley so not a chance she would have been anywhere further away in that direction for no reason.
I think there were a heap of creeps hanging around in Claremont & Perth in general at the time. Not to mention the amount of people that have been subsequently charged of rapes and murders all over the world who were known to have lived in Perth at some time or another. I think there were fake cabs and fake cops & know enough first hand stories to say I consider that a fact. Having grown up in the area, going to school there and frequenting the pubs/clubs since the Conti was Cagneys and Thursday nights were full of all the kids you would see the next day at school, everyone knew everyone by face at least, & you trusted everyone regardless of whether you went to JTC, Scotch, Christchurch, Iona, PLC, MLC or Hollywood. In later years, Claremont was still considered a safe place for the girls that grew up around there regardless of the Birnies or what had happened with SS. Thats just how it was. The speedway crowd didnt hang around to socialise and rarely came over the railway line. You didnt need to pass through the heart of Claremont to get in or out regardless of where you were going. Despite what image may be conjured up about a 'busy area full of people going to pubs/clubs with the showgrounds & train stations closeby' it was far from that. 90% of the area was dark and deserted with numerous nooks and crannys to sit in wait and numerous dark small carparks to go unseen in. Best place ever to choose to abduct someone from with so many routes to get out quickly. Very few cops because there was very little trouble. I dont think anyone needed to be overly brazen to attempt multiple abductions or particularly clever to not get caught, I think it was an incredibly easy place to succeed for anyone with the desire to do so.

BRE was involved with athletics because CGE & VG were before he became involved. BRE & CGE both stayed on 1 yr after VG finished seemingly to hand over the reigns to successors, he was secretary in the last year and she was equipment officer. I dont think the motivation was anything other than a step father and mother involved with their childs sport. They met in 1998 when VG would have been 3-4yrs.

IMO, that is the best clue as to why so little is apparent after 1997.

A look at other property owners in Acton Ave may give a clue as to why he never moved.

The step daughter's grand parents at 298?

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[ApplePie80]

The step daughter's grand parents at 298?

the residence being sold Feb 2014, if this date bears relevance. There's also an initial 'M' close by.

Great cutting through the chaff noname!

 

[petedavo.au]

the residence being sold Feb 2014, if this date bears relevance. There's also an initial 'M' close by.

Great cutting through the chaff noname!

There's also an initial K at 310
https://personlookup.com.au/search?country_id=1&page=3&q=Acton,+6105 &search=true&state_id=

Only seems to explain that he had relatives and in-laws in the same street though. Dunno about the relevance to the alleged crimes.

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[Spooks-R-Us]

HI noname
Thanks for your long post. Must have taken you ages!
After reading your post, I have a few questions and points that I'd like you to consider and clarify. I've broken up your quote into parts so its easier for me (and hopefully others) to follow. TIA

Spooks - there were articles alluding to the girls having their throats cut including those from Irish Newspapers who seemed to provide alot of info about the Glennon family not published in others. Much of it appeared to have been provided from someone very close to the family at least.
RSBM

Why did you highlight this particular Irish article for me specifically, since I've already quoted this exact article from the Irish Times many times before on WS. Can I ask what was your purpose here?

Having grown up in the area, going to school there and frequenting the pubs/clubs since the Conti was Cagneys and Thursday nights were full of all the kids you would see the next day at school, everyone knew everyone by face at least, & you trusted everyone regardless of whether you went to JTC, Scotch, Christchurch, Iona, PLC, MLC or Hollywood. In later years, Claremont was still considered a safe place for the girls that grew up around there regardless of the Birnies or what had happened with SS. Thats just how it was.
RSBM

noname you forgot St Hilda's and Hale - two other local schools. Plus UWA students, and students who went to other universities who still lived in the western suburbs area went out lots in Claremont too.

If JR didn't walk down into Claremont, I'd put money on her being taken from the carpark behind the post office. It was so dark and barely used. He could have even lured her across the road from the pub under the guise of needing change for the phone or something.
RSBM
BBM

noname - IMO you weren't the first person to describe this particular theory and some other theories that you've mentioned in your long 'catch-up' post. IMO Its probably polite and good forum etiquette to NOT claim other people's work as your own, and better when you post on WS say that you agree with other sleuths' theories, rather than writing as if you worked out everything yourself on your own, without help from others posts here.

Having grown up in the area... no way she would have started walking east up Gugeri St trying to get home to Wembley so not a chance she would have been anywhere further away in that direction for no reason.
RSBM
BBM

noname please see the screen shot pic I just took of Google Maps which shows the shortest route by foot from The Conti (now The Claremont Hotel in the screen shot pic) to Wembley where JR lived. (NB: I chose a random Wembley street for this route as I'm unaware of JR's exact address). I struggle with your claim that there's NO WAY JR would walk along Gugeri St to get home from Claremont. If you grew up in the area like you say you did, then you would definitely know that the quickest route by foot (and indeed by car and taxi too) from Claremont to Wembley is up Gugeri Street. "Mrs Google" even says so too.

BRE was involved with athletics because CGE & VG were before he became involved. BRE & CGE both stayed on 1 yr after VG finished seemingly to hand over the reigns to successors, he was secretary in the last year and she was equipment officer. I dont think the motivation was anything other than a step father and mother involved with their childs sport. They met in 1998 when VG would have been 3-4yrs.

IMO, that is the best clue as to why so little is apparent after 1997.
RSBM

Noname where did you find info in MSM that the accused only stayed on one year at LA after VG finished competing? Was that the 2012-2013 season?

Are you suggesting that the accused allegedly gave up serial killing in 1997 and replaced it with being a good step-dad, spectating and volunteering at LA?

Also, I've never found info that confirmed BRE and CGE met in 1998 - good work on the sleuthing here. What's your source please?

Lastly about the athletics, are you suggesting that CGE and VG were involved with LA before CGE first met BRE? Or just that CGE and VG went to LA before BRE started going along too? The minimum age to start competing in LA is 5 years old, so the first season VG could compete would be the summer of 1999-2000. CGE and BRE moved in together in July 2000.

"Little Athletics is a uniquely Australian modified athletics program for children from 5 to 16 years (some Assocations may offer age groups outside this range) - with around 100,000 Little Athletes participating at almost 500 centres across the country."
http://littleathletics.com.au/

Finally....

A look at other property owners in Acton Ave may give a clue as to why he never moved.
RSBM

What are you implying? can you please explain this statement more.

I look forward to your responses noname
Cheers

 

[Canning Vale]

8. Allegedly offending on or around notable dates or public holidays. (NB. two people close to him had birthdays on notable dates, eg Christmas Eve - source Facebook, and Anzac Day - source I'll need to find again)

Did he like video games too?

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Did he like video games too?

yes!
thanks for this, but i think you may have missed a post by ESH that listed gaming and other stuff I hadn't added at the time.

 

[Canning Vale]

Hi Canning Vale - that information about the playground is really valuable. Close to BRE. He could have buried SS there while it was under construction. Then the tower called the Eagles Nest. Relevance to the Eagles his beloved AFL team. Also what he suggested the new Perth Stadium should be called on fb the morning of his arrest. Certainly some clues there. That is if he was able to get SS from her original buriel site and relocate her. Then she would be near to him. MOO

The Eagles Nest was Hitler's Mountain Retreat high above Bertchesgaden in the Bavarian Alps. I'll try and locate the article which advised the location of the d-sites was part or opposite of a swatch sticker.

http://www.uncommon-travel-germany.com/eagles-nest-germany.html

 

[Canning Vale]

Originally Posted by Spinnaker
Maybe there are some trophies buried at the 'Eagles Nest' tower near his home.
Perhaps BRE had some trophies at home and sensing that WAPOL were closing in on him, buried the trophies during the construction of the 'Eagles Nest' Tower? Just IMO.

Perhaps the trophies were placed within the area. Like a button pressed into the concrete, or part of a shoe leather embedded somewhere.

 

[Canning Vale]

Perhaps this was the CSK's first murder and he spent a lot more time planning on how to dispose of her body (RIP Sarah). Perhaps a pre - dug grave. Then next time decided that filling in a grave took too long & risked being seen by someone.

I don't view the accused as being someone who's very physical. Perhaps if he'd already dug one large hole he'd think twice about digging another one. I think he'd be the type of person to take the easy way out, such as JR and CG weren't put in a hole.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

I don't view the accused as being someone who's very physical. Perhaps if he'd already dug one large hole he'd think twice about digging another one. I think he'd be the type of person to take the easy way out, such as JR and CG weren't put in a hole.

I agree with you that BRE was not overly physical, besides playing football and possibly cricket. I think he sustained an injury or has bad hips judging from the angle of his legs and feet, and the limp other sleuths talk about.

Digging may come under the 'gardening' umbrella, and his front garden in Kewdale home was not well kept.

Definitely think the accused would take the easy way out and avoid too much manual labour during alleged murders.



http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Perhaps the trophies were placed within the area. Like a button pressed into the concrete, or part of a shoe leather embedded somewhere.

good thoughts here