Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

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  • #501
I am also wondering about BRE either not wanting to have children or being unable to have children. The reason it crossed my mind is that perhaps he was on meds for a mental issue which prevented him from having children. IMO
 
  • #502
I might have to go back into thinking like a SK to try and conjur up some new scenarios🤣
 
  • #503
I am also wondering about BRE either not wanting to have children or being unable to have children. The reason it crossed my mind is that perhaps he was on meds for a mental issue which prevented him from having children. IMO

Good theory.
Maybe he was unable to have kids? Infertile ? Or like you said some medication preventing him.
I've often wondered if the accused did not want to produce offspring that he thought could one day possibly turn out like him.
IMO he possibly had some sexual issues that made it difficult for him to have a 'normal' sexual or intimate relationship. Possibly insecurities or hang ups about his physicality, ability to attract women, or his sexual performance.
He was known as "Bogsy" so I'm guessing he wouldn't have had much confidence in social situations.


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  • #504
For whatever reason he had no children he was lucky to have met a lady with a little one. Lucky in that taking his little SD to LA provided a way for him to be around children and adolescents. Then there was the pillar of the community thing with the volunteering and being given awards for his hard work. IMO
 
  • #505
For whatever reason he had no children he was lucky to have met a lady with a little one. Lucky in that taking his little SD to LA provided a way for him to be around children and adolescents. Then there was the pillar of the community thing with the volunteering and being given awards for his hard work. IMO

Yes he did lots of good for VG and the larger LA community, regardless of his motives, he did good there.
JMO


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  • #506
I know a lot of people have talked about this but in keeping with trying to think like a SK the Karrakatta Cemetary could well be where SS was buried. Even if he did the moving of the body thing just a few years ago. It follows on from the rapes there and would be a place he could visit her. It would mean using a pre-dug grave or a family crypt. Maybe he left a trophy there on a grave where he could visit her. IMO
 
  • #507
I might have to go back into thinking like a SK to try and conjur up some new scenarios藍

Annalise, I don't think you have to think like a serial killer to be here. We each have our reasons for being here. Have a read of some of the old threads and articles attached to them. While there has been minimal information made public, the thing that drew me to this site was everyone thinks a bit differently. Someone would pick on the one liner at the end of the article others would pick up something in the middle. One of these sentences could create a whole heap of discussion. I found in the days after the arrest people were reading the same newspaper articles and the points people took from them could be totally different.


As no name mentioned the Telstra discussion purely on the basis of the car he drove being a fleet vehicle. Funny thing was there was a discussion of it being someone from Telstra in the hours leading up to BRE's arrest. I did go back and check a couple of names to see when they last posted. All had posted since.

Most of us contributing here for a while have read a lot of articles and do a lot of googling. The number of times I have done a couple of hours research to say that idea doesn't make sense.
 
  • #508
I know a lot of people have talked about this but in keeping with trying to think like a SK the Karrakatta Cemetary could well be where SS was buried. Even if he did the moving of the body thing just a few years ago. It follows on from the rapes there and would be a place he could visit her. It would mean using a pre-dug grave or a family crypt. Maybe he left a trophy there on a grave where he could visit her. IMO

AL
Good points re SS maybe being in KK. Very plausible.

But I disagree with your suggestion he moved the body. I think it would be near on impossible to move a body that's been decomposing for any extended period of time without being detected or found out.
The smell alone would alert anyone within 500-1000m (at a guess) if the wind blew the right way.

IMO a SK likes killing and not necessary handling corpses unless they are specifically a necrophiliac or staging the body. IMO A necrophiliac would then definitely need a hideout to store any bodies. The accused could be possibly a necrophiliac - we just don't have enough info yet from alleged crimes to make this call yay or nay.

But please keep the ideas coming. I enjoy reading your perspective on the case.


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  • #509
Thanks DRT for your advice. The thinking like a SK was a good exercise. Will have a read of the old threads. It certainly is difficult with minimal information. You WS guys put in a lot of time and effort into trying to help solve the case. It must be very frustrating when, like you say, you put hours into reading articles only to put an idea forward that doesn't make sense.😦IMO
 
  • #510
Thanks Spooks - I'm like a dog with a bone with the moving the body scenario😂 Will leave that for now. Will do more reading about the case and the different threads🔍
 
  • #511
Thanks Spooks - I'm like a dog with a bone with the moving the body scenario[emoji23] Will leave that for now. Will do more reading about the case and the different threads[emoji368]

I just keep imagining trying to move something big like a kangaroo that you find dead and partly decomposed on the side of the road. Moving a dead kangaroo would be just too messy and stinky, especially with the risk of inner organs exploding etc. I don't think the smell would wash off if you accidentally got anything on your skin.

Have you ever smelt a dead kangaroo or any dead decomposing animal up close? Like real close?


If you can imagine the worst smell you've ever smelt and then times it by 100 intensity; and If you have pictures in your head that match mine; then you'll understand why IMO I don't think the accused would move a body, unless it was very early on, and within the time frame before rigour mortis set in.


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  • #512
@no name, thanks for such an informative post, it's greatly appreciated.

You mentioned that you didn't think police would share with the families what they found at the Madora Bay property. Is that standard police procedure? I'd have guessed they were in close contact with the families of the deceased, and would have let them know if they'd found nothing, or found something significant (without, perhaps, sharing actual details).

You mentioned you think something may have gone wrong with the attack on CG. From what I've understood through reading about CG, she'd likely have fought very hard.

WRT to the unfortunate report in an Irish newspaper of victims throats being cut, do you give these reports much credibility? It might be simply a matter of those papers not feeling the same need to cooperate with police requests as local media?

Whilst not a local, I agree with your assertion that it wouldn't take a Rhodes Scholar to abduct someone from a poorly lit & somewhat secluded location. It's easy to think of Ted Bundy and the fairly innocuous ruses he used to lure victims.

Finally, I think it's fairly significant that he was (from what I gather) from a lower socioeconomic area and chose an area and victims who represented something very different. My guess is that he had a massive chip on his shoulder, which tragically met with a psychosexual disfunction, or whatever you'd like to call it.

Hi Sherlock, as I said at the start of my post I was responding to numerous other posts made over the past 28 odd pages. I jotted a few words down as I read through when questions were posed or comments were made where the poster had queried if details they mentioned were accurate or said I think, Im not sure etc. By the end, those that hadnt already been cleared up or answered, I commented on. So while it may have appeared as a disjointed long array of previously posted information to some, it've made perfect sense to anyone reading the thread in one hit & presumably cleared up some things for others too. That was the intent anyway.

The family I was speaking of was BRE's, not the victims. It was in response to a comment made which referred to a much earlier post by a verified insider who stated that the police had not indicated to BRE's family that they found anything of interest when they searched the Madora Bay property. I was suggesting that didn't necessarily indicate nothing was found as I doubt they would've have told them anything regardless. If the police prematurely revealed any potential evidence to the family of an accused person whom they were trying to build a case against, that would be odd, yes.

Re: CG. I too have read the many assertions that she would probably have put up a good fight, seemingly because she was a few years older and perhaps a little more aware & she'd been travelling OS for sometime by herself, perhaps more confident... Whatever difference any of that makes?? Personally, I dont think any of that can be relied upon to determine how she would have reacted at all, particularly as we have no idea how she was subdued or when. Perhaps she fought like buggery, perhaps she wasnt given the opportunity, perhaps she froze, who knows. I'd prefer to think they all fought for their lives given the chance.
The reported 'middle finger' given to the guys at the bus stop (to which I assume you were referring DRT) was also refuted here by one of them, another verified insider.
No - Its the clothes that get me the most. Something went awry, not to plan, amiss - it may not have been anything tangible, perhaps it was all in his head or call it a gut feeling if you like... But, there was something very different about her IMO.

Re: Irish press. In general, Im overly skeptical of anything I hear in the press at any time. But, theres been several OS articles from GB beginning as early as 04Apr97 that detail direct quotes from family friends and other very specific personal info about the family, that I question they may be credible. It also appears that the Irish publications tend to quite sympathetic towards 'their own' too, so the idea that they would then fill in the gaps with such horrific inaccurate details doesnt really gel with me either. The fact that Australian publications have not repeated the details doesnt speak to the truth one way or another IMO. I guess we'll find out in time though.

Ive no idea what deficiencies he might have, where they originated, or what part of his anatomy they reside. You have to be very sick & twisted to abduct & murder but thats about as much attention Im prepared to give it seeing we dont know. He may just be your plain old run of the mill psychopath that we probably encounter every day, who decided he goes that far.
 
  • #513
I might have to go back into thinking like a SK to try and conjur up some new scenarios藍

Annalise,

It interests me that he didn't have any children to the first wife (EE) and his defacto (CGE). I wonder if he'd had a child to another partner. It crossed my mind that a child could have committed a crime and that's how the DNA was discovered.

These are only my thoughts and opinion.
 
  • #514
Thanks Spooks - I'm like a dog with a bone with the moving the body scenario Will leave that for now. Will do more reading about the case and the different threads

I know it's horrible, but it wouldn't be impossible to put someone in a deep freezer. I saw that on Law and Order (CI). It's creepy, but these people are creepy!
 
  • #515
I just keep imagining trying to move something big like a kangaroo that you find dead and partly decomposed on the side of the road. Moving a dead kangaroo would be just too messy and stinky, especially with the risk of inner organs exploding etc. I don't think the smell would wash off if you accidentally got anything on your skin.

Have you ever smelt a dead kangaroo or any dead decomposing animal up close? Like real close?


If you can imagine the worst smell you've ever smelt and then times it by 100 intensity; and If you have pictures in your head that match mine; then you'll understand why IMO I don't think the accused would move a body, unless it was very early on, and within the time frame before rigour mortis set in.


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OK it was a Kangaroo skeleton, but neither did the local copper know what it was either! ;)

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  • #516
Hi Canning Vale - you know I never thought of the freezer scenario. It is definitely a plausible solution for keeping a body. Especially in a holiday home where there is a lot of fishing done. IMO
 
  • #517
Petedavo - good one😐
 
  • #518
Hi Canning Vale - you know I never thought of the freezer scenario. It is definitely a plausible solution for keeping a body. Especially in a holiday home where there is a lot of fishing done. IMO

It's a sad thought but very possible - BRE could have utilised a Madora Bay fishing freezer perhaps to provide some breathing space as to what to do next.

The freezer could be long gone now also.


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  • #519
Just a thought on possible SS d-sites ,IMO if SS was the CSK first victim then he would want to discard the body asap so the dump site would be close by. I am not that familiar with the area now but from memory and looking at Google maps mt Claremont had a lot of bush area around Stephenson Ave and bold hill . LA was also around this area at Perry Lakes Stadium . Imo

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  • #520
Don't Agree Spooks (all due respect to your comments). I had several female friends from that era that were into online gaming. One of them even met her husband through online gaming. They are still happily married 20+ years later.
 
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