Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

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  • #901
So the rape victim was that pissed she could not tell she had been shifted from one car to the other abducted. Can hardly do tests now to see if she had her drink spiked which amplifies the feeling of being pissed. Police need to reinterview her and friends to see how much she drank. She wouldnt even know if her drink had been spiked. Just presumption she was pissed out her mind.

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  • #902
Media reports in 1996 with quotes of Ferguson stating they believed the victims were 'blitz attacked'
How are you going with that source for this claim?
 
  • #903
So the rape victim was that pissed she could not tell she had been shifted from one car to the other abducted. Can hardly do tests now to see if she had her drink spiked which amplifies the feeling of being pissed.
I would suggest that after a quarter of a century any drink spiking drug would have left her system. Just a gut feel.
 
  • #904
the 3 Dorrough family members - mother, father and Richard Dorrough are buried in the "FC" section of Karrakatta which is the Wesleyan section of Karrakatta - if is situated very close to the rear of the cemetery adjacent to the Karrakatta rape victim location (as described). Could this 'wesleyan' connection hint that Dorrough was raised in a strict household ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesleyanism

Have you got a source which specifies the exact location in the cemetery of the 95 rape?
 
  • #905
I thought the IR might have been playing with MMs hair colour being blond, but check out this persons hair colour, and Janes hair for that matter

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  • #906
More incident of rape prior
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  • #907
Initially, it was thought that the women were abducted and killed by a taxi driver, since they had all been looking for a taxi to get home. These speculations caused a countrywide panic in Australia’s population of young women, who became afraid of using cabs. Additionally, a junior officer was questioned, a 42-year-old public servant, the former mayor of Claremont, and convicted killer Bradley Murdoch. All possibilities have been dismissed.
http://youthindependent.com/detecti...eflect-20-years-after-unsolved-triple-murder/

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  • #908
Because police don't know whether the girls got into a car or were abducted on the street. That is what is up for conjecture.

In such a context, you can't call an attack after the girls got into a car a blitz attack

BBM

No, you might not. I, and anyone else, most certainly can.
 
  • #909
BBM

No, you might not. I, and anyone else, most certainly can.
So you think when the media are talking about the potential for the abductions to be blitz attacks, you think they are referring to both a "blitz attack" after the girls willingly got into a vehicle and if they were grabbed on the street?

Why bother calling it a blitz attack because that covers all scenarios as to how they could have been abducted?

You do realise that many of the reports stated that for years it was thought the girl got into vehicles and now there is new evidence suggesting they were blitzed attacked? Right?
 
  • #910
Welcome LFMP,

Thanks for your post. May I ask the City in which you currently reside, and if you've had any connection with the Claremont area?

P

Hi Peter and thanks for your welcome. I was born in WA and have lived here all my life. I lived in Perth up until 2 years ago when we moved to rural WA. I haven't had any direct connection with Claremont, but have become very much involved with this case through some rather unusual "co-incidences". I can't help with any local knowledge of Claremont, sorry Peter, as I lived in the Northern Suburbs of Perth and then moved up to the Perth Eastern Hills. I can vividly remember when these poor girls went missing and then the terrible discoveries. Such a frightening and awful time. As a parent of a lovely young woman who was about these girls age at the time, my heart just broke for Sarah, Jane and Ciara's parents. Let's all work together to focus on the case and never forget these, and all the other women who have gone missing in WA.
 
  • #911
Because police don't know whether the girls got into a car or were abducted on the street. That is what is up for conjecture.

In such a context, you can't call an attack after the girls got into a car a blitz attack.


Captain Commonsense


I know.
I dont have the original post articles but this summarises a few things, article from perthnow..
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/5c3de303388ff089c816855b8631062f

WA Police `promising leads’ report on Claremont serial killings

March 20, 2015 6:04pm
Claremont killings ‘promising progress’
WA POLICE said they remained positive the Claremont serial killings will be solved.

Police were responding to a report in the Subiaco Post newspaper that Special Crime Squad detectives were making important progress and following some promising leads.

The newspaper reported that detectives now believe the three victims – Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon – were subject to a blitz attack and didn’t get into a vehicle voluntarily.

All three women went missing from the Claremont entertainment precinct in 1996 and 1997. The marathon hunt for their killer is Australia’s most expensive crime investigation and has been the subject to multiple reviews.

According to the Post report, the focus has moved away from taxis and detectives are looking very closely at other non-fatal crimes that may have been carried out by the perpetrator, before Sarah Spiers went missing, including break-ins and attempted abductions.

The Special Crime Squad, which took over the files several years ago, has extensively reviewed the case, using new technology and investigative techniques.

According to the Post report, detectives have made numerous trips to the UK to liaise with forensic scientists there, including DNA expert Dr Jonathan Whitaker. Dr Whitaker has reportedly visited Perth to work on the case. He is a pioneer of LCN (Low Copy Number), the most sensitive DNA testing yet developed.


WA Police wouldn’t respond to any of the points in the report, but issued a statement this afternoon.

“Police have always remained positive that the crimes will be solved,” it said. “The advent of new technology, investigative techniques and the potential for new evidence all enhance that

possibility. Resolving all such matters for victims’ families is a priority for WA Police.”




were subject to a blitz attack and didn’t get into a vehicle voluntarily.

That is taken directly from the article, there were previous post articles originally confirming that they dont beleive the girls entered the vehicles voluntarily...

Also the article mentions LCN experts being used in the case which implies that WAPOL have a pretty close to useless DNA profile that they have been working on.
 
  • #912
Initially, it was thought that the women were abducted and killed by a taxi driver, since they had all been looking for a taxi to get home. These speculations caused a countrywide panic in Australia’s population of young women, who became afraid of using cabs. Additionally, a junior officer was questioned, a 42-year-old public servant, the former mayor of Claremont, and convicted killer Bradley Murdoch. All possibilities have been dismissed.
http://youthindependent.com/detecti...eflect-20-years-after-unsolved-triple-murder/
 
  • #913
Initially, it was thought that the women were abducted and killed by a taxi driver, since they had all been looking for a taxi to get home. These speculations caused a countrywide panic in Australia’s population of young women, who became afraid of using cabs. Additionally, a junior officer was questioned, a 42-year-old public servant, the former mayor of Claremont, and convicted killer Bradley Murdoch. All possibilities have been dismissed.
http://youthindependent.com/detecti...eflect-20-years-after-unsolved-triple-murder/

Claudia is currently finishing up her BA in Psychology, and hopes to pursue her passion for writing after graduation. In her free time, she's practicing hot yoga, meeting new people and reading about new technologies, ideas, or totally innovative new ways to live life or to look at the world. Contact Claudia: [email protected]

CrabSticK (in perfect symmatry -i might add)

Keep on track, i just posted an article explaining Police beleived the girls did not enter the car voluntarily. They were 'Blitz attacked' from outside the vehicle..
 
  • #914
I dont have the original post articles but this summarises a few things, article from perthnow..
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/5c3de303388ff089c816855b8631062f


That is taken directly from the article, there were previous post articles originally confirming that they dont beleive the girls entered the vehicles voluntarily...

Also the article mentions LCN experts being used in the case which implies that WAPOL have a pretty close to useless DNA profile that they have been working on.
Unsure why you are quoting me with this information? There are a few people who don't think a blitz attack within the context of this case refers to being abducted outside a car. I think you should have been quoting and telling them rather than me.
 
  • #915
  • #916
they had all been looking for a taxi to get home

You are probably right about abduction. I think the girls were targeted. I don't think it was random. *MOO

None of them were overly inebriated, but they told their friends they were tired, pulled away from the pack,and took risks their closest said they wouldn't take.

Remember, to carry out an external vehicle abduction on a party district block, you will need more than one person. So, if it was an external abduction inside the Claremont quadrangle, current POIs would need a second person, an accomplice.

Im not discounting some of the victims entered the fake vehicle to share a cab with the perp who offers share a cab, and his driver. Im not implying current POIs. Well, the possibility of one, but not mentioning names.

Ciara was on Stirling highway, yeah?

I would rather drill down not mentioning names

CrabSticK (in perfect symmatry -i might add)

Keep on track, i just posted an article explaining Police beleived the girls did not enter the car voluntarily. They were 'Blitz attacked' from outside the vehicle..
 
  • #917
Unsure why you are quoting me with this information? There are a few people who don't think a blitz attack within the context of this case refers to being abducted outside a car. I think you should have been quoting and telling them rather than me.

Yes, quoting you because I agree with you, eg. Blitz attack was thought to have occured from outside the vehicles and the girls DID NOT voluntarily get in. Now the article has been posted lets get the thread back on track. Its been derailed quite truely.
 
  • #918
This sentence;

He smiles. “There hasn’t been a murder since then.” His smile turns to outright laughter and now I’m finally getting what he is saying without him articulating it.

Suggests that in 2007 when DM was writing her book that some police involved with the case were still convinced LW was their man.



Also from the article (and DM's book);

I ask if they have investigated a particular individual, whom I name.
“No comment,” he says. “You’ll have to talk to Dave Caporn about that.”
Caporn. I am starting to feel as if I am shadow-boxing with a silent partner, a phantom. Lee concedes the individual I have named is known as a character in Perth, that he is a possibility. But he wants to return to discussing miscarriage of justice cases in Western Australia; he can’t understand their relevance to the Claremont story. I can’t understand why he needs to even query why.



I have a suspicion as to who she is talking about. Anyone have any ideas?
 
  • #919
Yes. I think she was referring to SR.
 
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