Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[Canning Vale]

Timeline of Events

Regarding the timeline of events, would it be worth adding the white Commodore and date it was sold. Also, adding these two girls? Given that the MACRO detectives are only working on cases which date back 30 years. (2016 - 30 = 1987). I have advised of an incident which dates back to September 1985, in which a teenager resembled BRE. I am in no means implying it was BRE. These are only my thoughts and opinion.

Radina Djukich (aged 14) lived at North Beach and went missing (16/05/1992). Radina would have been 15 in the July. BRE would have been 24. http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com

Sharon Mason (aged 14) went missing from Mosman Park (19/02/1983). BRE would have been 14 and two months.http://www.perthnow.com.au

Also, add that a bricklayer witnessed a Ford Falcon taxi, without headlights at Pipidinny Rd. A Sunday before CG was found at Pipindinny Rd. http://www.verumpost.com.au/index.ph...serial-murders

 

[Canning Vale]

Maybe a reference to Lisa Marie Mott - aged 12 years old - missing from Collie 1980.

Although BRE would have been too young to be involved IMO .


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We must remember that Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were aged 10 when they abducted and killed toddler James Bulger.

 

[Canning Vale]

Below is a link to the CIA documentary which details the nights the 3 ladies went missing. It’s interesting that both SS and JR had been at the OBH prior to going to Club Bayview. Perhaps they were followed from the OBH to Club Bayview.

Also, when SS left the Club Bayview she told the crowd controller she was going home to her sister Amanda's in South Perth, then told the taxi company she intended going to Mosman Park. Evidently, earlier that day SS had been visiting a friend in Mosman Park and may have intended sleeping overnight, to reduce the taxi fare cost.

Another oddity is that JR didn’t like Club Bayview but opted to stay once her friends had left.

CG had been out with a group of colleagues and then went with them to the Continental Hotel, where she only stayed about 20 mins and walked off alone. Three men saw CG speaking to a person in a light coloured station wagon, but was again sighted further along the Stirling Hwy.

[video=youtube;nNNF1E3mg3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c[/video]

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Below is a link to the CIA documentary which details the nights the 3 ladies went missing. It’s interesting that both SS and JR had been at the OBH prior to going to Club Bayview. Perhaps they were followed from the OBH to Club Bayview.

Also, when SS left the Club Bayview she told the crowd controller she was going home to her sister Amanda's in South Perth, then told the taxi company she intended going to Mosman Park. Evidently, earlier that day SS had been visiting a friend in Mosman Park and may have intended sleeping overnight, to reduce the taxi fare cost.

Another oddity is that JR didn’t like Club Bayview but opted to stay once her friends had left.

CG had been out with a group of colleagues and then went with them to Club Bayview, where she only stayed about 20 mins and walked off alone. Three men saw CG speaking to a person in a light coloured station wagon, but was again sighted further along the Stirling Hwy.

[video=youtube;nNNF1E3mg3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c[/video]

CG never went to CBV (Club Bayview) that fateful night.
She went to The Conti.


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[Canning Vale]

How Serial Killers are caught

Mark Dizon – killer of 9 people (Angeles, Philippines – 2010)

In summary, Mark Dizon aged 28, a computer technician is accused of killing nine people (all of whom he knew personally) during three separate robberies. Evidently, the motive behind the murders was stealing of electronic equipment, which belonged to expats. The police described Dizon as being “obsessed” with electronic gadgetry.

In a weird and unexpected twist, Dizon was arrested after a witness positively identified him, when police showed photos posted upon his Facebook account.

https://au.pinterest.com

http://news.abs-cbn.com

 

[milamber182]

If they did approach the high school they would have easily been able to locate a tall teenager, athletic build who had dark hair. I don't know if they did, but should have.

If it were BRE, perhaps the police did talk to him but he wasn't charged, only his details recorded. After the Huntingdale assault he might have become a suspect and again not charged until they matched familial DNA to the CSK case.

JMO

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

(modsnip)

These thoughts are just my educated guesses - no source other than my wild imagination.

SS, JR, and CG - Hope you three are all together in peace.


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[Spooks-R-Us]

My brain's in over drive!

JR was discovered approximately 3-4 kms near Casuarina Prison.

Maybe SS is out near Acacia Prison? Which is within 5-7km of the 4WD track known as the Powerline Run, and The Lakes area. All East. Approximately 65km from Club Bay View and one hour drive on current roads. This location fits with the 90 degree line from the line made between CG and JR. But being the unconfirmed first victim of the alleged CSK, one can't plot this location last, as this crime occurred before JR and CG. Unless of course the accused CSK was planning ahead!

One would think disposing of a body near Hakea Prison because Hakea would be too close to dense population?
But not impossible.

Its probably been thought before - But what if the alleged CSK left a body fairly close to another WA prison? The accused maybe thinking that eventually one day he may get caught, but he with knowledge that his victim/s is also near by. Keeping them close. Gloating.

Sick.

 

[DRT]

Here's a proposition:

To all the serious sleuthers out there.....you have until the beginning of court hearings of CSK case to get your probable theories, hunches, and gut feelings listed here in WS.
No good saying to the rest of us during or after the trial "I told you so" when you have no online proof of your brilliance!!

We all need online proof before the trial starts that you 'thunk' the thought about MO, kill sites, d-sites etc

So please get busy!
And list your best sleuthing opinions here.....

3-2-1-Go!


NB: Please NO calls of guilty or not-guilty as this violates legal restrictions in Sub Judice scenario. And please USE terms like 'probably', 'possibly', 'the accused', and so on.
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So what you're saying is if you have enough guesses one of them is bound to have credibility?

 

[Bunnie]

So what you're saying is if you have enough guesses one of them is bound to have credibility?

dartboard method..

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

dartboard method..

DaRT [emoji457] lol


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[Spooks-R-Us]

So what you're saying is if you have enough guesses one of them is bound to have credibility?

I never used the word 'guesses'.

But if that's the message you got out of my post, then go ahead.

List as many of your guesses as you want or need.


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[Canning Vale]

How Serial Killers are caught

Martha Needle (née Charles - born SA) – Nicknamed the Black Widow - accused of poisoning her husband, 3 young daughters and future brother-in-law (Vic, Aust – 1885 to 1894). Method: Arsenic from rat poison.

In brief, Needle is described as being a beautiful but manipulative, ruthless killer. After the family was dead and buried, Needle continued poisoning, and eventually when the local doctor twigged, he snuck a sample of retch, had it medically analyzed, revealing traces of arsenic, thus police became involved who then implemented a set-up operation. Needle offered a tea-cup laced with arsenic, and detectives nearby were summonsed – by whistle.

At a later date, the families bodies were exhumed and traces of arsenic found (except one).

Needle stated her innocence several times, and was executed by hanging at the Old Melbourne Gaol – aged 30 (22/10/1894).

http://murderpedia.org

 

[Canning Vale]

My brain's in over drive!

JR was discovered approximately 3-4 kms near Casuarina Prison.

Maybe SS is out near Acacia Prison? Which is within 5-7km of the 4WD track known as the Powerline Run, and The Lakes area. All East. Approximately 65km from Club Bay View and one hour drive on current roads. This location fits with the 90 degree line from the line made between CG and JR. But being the unconfirmed first victim of the alleged CSK, one can't plot this location last, as this crime occurred before JR and CG. Unless of course the accused CSK was planning ahead!

One would think disposing of a body near Hakea Prison because Hakea would be too close to dense population?
But not impossible.

Its probably been thought before - But what if the alleged CSK left a body fairly close to another WA prison? The accused maybe thinking that eventually one day he may get caught, but he with knowledge that his victim/s is also near by. Keeping them close. Gloating.

Sick.

Spooks,

Many thanks. That's an excellent theory, keeping victims close-by seems to be something some SKs actually do.

During the last 20 years, there's been significant building within the metro area. The prison at Canning Vale has since had housing built near to it, and ground excavation didn't reveal any bodies. Perhaps we should check out what housing has taken place around the other prisons you mentioned.

 

[Innerchild]

I'm in China and maybe the link is banned (?) ---- here is the attached page; The technician charged over two of the three Claremont serial killings has opted to delay his plea, a week after a detective told a separate court that the victims were not killed randomly.Bradley Robert Edwards, 48, appeared yesterday at a special early sitting of the WA Supreme Court by video link from Hakea maximum-security prison.The former Telstra technician spoke only to confirm his name and say he understood the eight charges read out against him. He is charged with murdering 23-year-old childcare worker Jane Rimmer in 1996 and 27-year-old lawyer Ciara Glennon in 1997.The two women were last seen in Claremont. There are no charges against Mr Edwards in relation to the disappearance of Sarah Spiers, 18, long regarded by police as the first victim in the Claremont serial killings. *Spiers has never been found.Police have said little about the case since heavily armed officers stormed the house Mr Edwards shared with his adult stepdaughter on December 22.But in a separate court case last Tuesday, Detective Sergeant Ian Moore of the Major Crime Squad was giving evidence in a defamation trial brought by barrister Lloyd Rayney when he was asked by Mr Rayney’s lawyer Martin Bennett: “Do you accept that the Claremont serial killer killings were random attacks — the only thing linking Sarah *Spiers, Jane Rimmer, Ciara Glennon being an attendance in *Claremont?”Sergeant Moore replied that he did not accept that: “I have knowledge of that particular job that I can’t particularly enlighten the court about and those — no, I can’t accept that proposition.”Mr Edwards is due to return to court in October.

I think this is very interesting as it's hard to get confirmed facts on the CSK, but here is a cop testifying under oath that the CSKillings were not random. Spooks had sad something about the accused knowing CG from his ex wife. Is that because they went to school together at Iona or something else? She hadn't been in back in the country for long before being abducted and wouldn't have thought many people would have known that.
With SS, the taxi driver SR has always said he thought he might have picked up her abductor the night before n his taxi, when he took SS and a strange man (before dropping off a drunk woman that the man wanted to go with -was know to him?) to the Windsor Hotel. He wrote a letter to The Post on June 4 2016 wanting to set his story straight one last time.

I hadn't realised before reading on this site that the man got out with her at The Windsor Hotel in South Perth and was also seen with her at her apartment block, seemingly staying the night. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as this was from articles in the Drop Box on this site. It makes sense that she would have willingly got into his car the next night when she was abducted. It would also explain if he was watching not wanting to be seen with her and came along in the 3 or so minutes after she had called the taxi why she disappeared in such a short time frame. SR has been much maligned for whatever reason but his description of the man or woman in the cab was not published as far as I''m aware.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ntidqi1...xq6J7YuW5Cua?dl=0&preview=I+saw+Sarah+too.pdf

The Post 25th Oct 2002

I saw Sarah too: witness backs taxi driver
The Post
Bret
Christian
2005.10.02
A Jolimont
man has backed up the story of taxi driver Steven Ross who says he took Sarah Spiers to South Perth on
the morning before she disappeared.
David Boudville (53), of Lansdowne Street, said he had seen Ms Spiers with a man outside a flat in Mill Point Road
early in the morning she disappeared, in January 1996.
Mr Boudville owned an investment unit on the ground floor at 160 Mill Point Road, South Perth.
"I was standing around in the foyer pondering whether it was too early to knock on the door to talk abou
t rent," he
said.
"Sarah Spiers and a man came in, pressed the button for the lift and they both went upstairs.
"I'm certain it was her. I'm pretty good with faces because I do a lot of photography.
"As soon as I saw her photo in the paper I contacted t
he police and said that I'd seen her."
Taxi driver Steven Ross said he contacted police eight years ago to say he had dropped Ms Spiers near the Windsor
Hotel in South Perth early on the day before she disappeared.
In late August this year, his home in E
mbleton, owned by former Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, was raided by
Macro officers (POST August 28).
Mr Weygers' home in Richardson Avenue, Claremont, was raided and searched three weeks later.
Mr Ross said he had contacted police in 1996 because Ms Sp
iers (18) had got into his taxi outside Club Bay View in
Claremont.
He had thought it was the night she disappeared, but later discovered it was the night before.
But he said he still believed the man who rode in his cab with her might know something
about the crime.
Mr Ross said the man appeared to be hanging around outside Club Bay View waiting for a woman to catch a cab
alone.
When Ms Spiers got into the cab, the man got in beside her. It was clear they did not know each other.
Then a young woman
who had been drinking got in the front and asked to go to Dalkeith. The man had originally
said he wanted to go to a nightclub in the city.
Mr Ross said he dropped the woman in Dalkeith then headed for Mounts Bay Road.
Sarah and the man were chatting, a
nd by the time they reached the University of WA the man had decided to go
to South Perth, where Ms Spiers was heading.
When the cab reached the Windsor Hotel, in Mill Point Road, the cab stopped. The man pushed Sarah out of the
cab, paid the fare and got
out with her.



Mr Boudville said the flats were 200m to 300m from the Windsor.
"Sarah seemed pretty relaxed," he said.
"She had her hair up and was dressed in a blouse and dress shorts.
"The man was tall, well dressed, skinny with sharp features, black
hair, with small curls at the back.
"I didn't get a good look at his face.
"As soon as I saw her picture it hit me that it was the same girl.
"I reported it straight away to the police, but nothing happened.
"I wondered why I would see her in South
Perth if she disappeared from Claremont. It was not until much later
that I found out she lived in South Perth.
"I didn't think she looked dressed for a nightclub, but she might have got changed and gone to breakfast when I
saw them coming back.
"I let i
t ride all those years until I read in the POST last week about the taxi driver."

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

I was proposing CG and her family had possibly frequented the French restaurant La Petite Cabine formerly owned by CGE's parents.

CG's mother worked as teacher at Iona and the French restaurant was fairly close to the school.

If possibly BRE was chasing CGE and hanging around the restaurant, then possibly if CG and her family were maybe regular patrons, then there could be chance of BRE and CG crossing paths.

This possible scenario would have needed to occur prior to CG travelling overseas for a year. I realise there's many factors in this scenario which are currently "unknowns", but this possible scenario could place both BRE and CG in same place - same time. And if BRE and CG knew each other it would possibly explain another scenario of CG allegedly accepting a lift from BRE on Stirling Highway.
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[Innerchild]

The bodies of JR and GC being found in a straight line is another fact that must be more than co-incidence. I read on a thread here that it would only occur (10,000 to 1 http://www.academia.edu/9539668/Fro...ww.wired.co.uk/magazine/arch...murder/viewall). To add to the co-incidence the line passes through the old Continental Hotel. If you accept JC was the first and SS the second in the CSK this could not have been at an angle of 90 degrees to the CG / JR straight line as this line had not been established yet. However it could have been on a line heading east from Cottesloe going through the Conti and this makes an interesting pattern.

My brain's in over drive!

JR was discovered approximately 3-4 kms near Casuarina Prison.

Maybe SS is out near Acacia Prison? Which is within 5-7km of the 4WD track known as the Powerline Run, and The Lakes area. All East. Approximately 65km from Club Bay View and one hour drive on current roads. This location fits with the 90 degree line from the line made between CG and JR. But being the unconfirmed first victim of the alleged CSK, one can't plot this location last, as this crime occurred before JR and CG. Unless of course the accused CSK was planning ahead!

One would think disposing of a body near Hakea Prison because Hakea would be too close to dense population?
But not impossible.

Its probably been thought before - But what if the alleged CSK left a body fairly close to another WA prison? The accused maybe thinking that eventually one day he may get caught, but he with knowledge that his victim/s is also near by. Keeping them close. Gloating.

Sick.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

The bodies of JR and GC being found in a straight line is another fact that must be more than co-incidence. I read on a thread here that it would only occur (10,000 to 1 http://www.academia.edu/9539668/Fro...ww.wired.co.uk/magazine/arch...murder/viewall). To add to the co-incidence the line passes through the old Continental Hotel. If you accept JC was the first and SS the second in the CSK this could not have been at an angle of 90 degrees to the CG / JR straight line as this line had not been established yet. However it could have been on a line heading east from Cottesloe going through the Conti and this makes an interesting pattern.

Thanks IC
do u have the co-ordinates of where GR Was found please?


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[WhyWhy]

With respect, InnerChild, checking you have read the other 13 threads? There is so much written on the 'straight-line', the cross shape, then JC's car forming the 4th coordinate.
I realise such a sleuthing forum privileges all possibilities as valid, but some of us will stop reading/replying if more on the 'lines' along with the errant cross-dressing, or strange walk. From memory it is all written around thread 3-5.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

IMO, I think it's a fair chance BRE would have been teased and bullied during school for having the unfortunate address of "Gay Street"!!

This teasing/bullying could have caused BRE to have an inferiority complex that later possibly led BRE to have difficulties with dating women.

(Adding to this inferiority complex was possibly his unusually turned in left foot, which could've been another thing to get teased about. )

So possibly BRE may have chosen women from an upper class area, fully expecting these women to reject his advances, and then provide BRE (in his mind only) a justification to kill these women.

JMO

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/557f281e68cdf76d572843291ea9cef7
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