Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[Hilo]

Hilo,

Thanks for the post, you ask some good questions. Apparently quite a few detectives have been engaged to work on cold cases that are up to 30 years old.

Does anyone on the forum know approximately when the statistics of the alleged CSKs crimes will be revealled?

Thank you CV. I appreciate your contributions.
I can't wait for all to be revealed.

I also wonder how many victims there were between the Huntingdale incident and KK rape and after Claremont...

Also, my suspicions are that he displayed deviant tendencies at a young age and over time refined his MO eventually overpowering and raping his victims. Whether he murdered intentionally or just to avoid detection I can't comment on.



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[Canning Vale]

Hilo,

Below is a link to the article which advises what needs to be done to establish the “accused” CSKs movements.

While that work continues, about 30 extra detectives have been brought in to help work on the case to get it ready for trial.

Despite a two-decade long investigation into the murders, Mr Edwards came on to the radar of police only a matter of weeks before his arrest.

A large volume of work now needs to be done to establish his movements at the times the crimes were committed.

The extra detectives will also be involved in examining any links to other unsolved cases from the past 30 years.

http://www.perthnow.com.au

 

[Hilo]

Hilo,

Below is a link to the article which advises what needs to be done to establish the “accused” CSKs movements.

While that work continues, about 30 extra detectives have been brought in to help work on the case to get it ready for trial.

Despite a two-decade long investigation into the murders, Mr Edwards came on to the radar of police only a matter of weeks before his arrest.

A large volume of work now needs to be done to establish his movements at the times the crimes were committed.

The extra detectives will also be involved in examining any links to other unsolved cases from the past 30 years.

http://www.perthnow.com.au

Thank you CV. Very interesting indeed...


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[petedavo.au]

@Spooks

Continuing this 4.5 month theory...
Are you wondering if the CSK imprisoned his victims somewhere alive for a period of time before killing them?

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[Spooks-R-Us]

@Spooks

Continuing this 4.5 month theory...
Are you wondering if the CSK imprisoned his victims somewhere alive for a period of time before killing them?

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WAPOL says no. But that might just be a diversionary tactic.

I'm considering that the alleged CSK morphed from a violent rapist to a sadistic killer, where the sadistic aspect become more enjoyable than any accompanying sexual acts. JMO.

And to conduct sadistic acts the accused needed time and a VERY private space.

IMO he may have tortured some of his later victims, but imprisoning them purely for the time frame that he needed, never leaving them alone.

If my "I've watched too many TV crime shows" brain engages, then I imagine the accused had access to a remote property where he imprisoned the victims for longer periods. Maybe just 1-3 days over a weekend but no longer than one week. Something like an abandoned farm house or shed, old timber mill or factory, or an old church or hall.

The accused's career allowed for plenty of opportunities driving around the outer suburbs of Perth, always keeping an eye out for possible sites that suited his alleged evil purposes. The same employer since 1987 gave 30+ years of driving to search and locate the perfect k-sites and d-sites. Surely would make his seemingly boring job more exciting for him!

Furthermore, I'm considering a 4.5-5 months and 9-11 months offending cycle between his possible victims. So two victims fairly close together in time at 4.5-5 months apart. Then he's satisfied for a while, until the urge to offend again emerges around 9-11 months later. Give or take a few weeks depending on intrusion factors (real life getting in the way) and allowing time for planning MO, sites, and victim etc.

IMO the accused could be one of Australia's worst SK's. I'm judging this on facts that WAPOL have been so covert with many details, withheld JR's video, and clamped down so hard with non-disclosure agreements. Local rumours say a lot more but these rumours cannot be discussed here. Personally I think the kimono story is a red herring given to MSM for some secret strategic reasoning privy only to WAPOL.

So PeteDavo in answer to your original question - yes IMO the accused keeps murder victims tied up and possibly imprisoned but for only 1-3 days.





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[petedavo.au]

WAPOL says no. But that might just be a diversionary tactic.

I'm considering that the alleged CSK morphed from a violent rapist to a sadistic killer, where the sadistic aspect become more enjoyable than any accompanying sexual acts. JMO.

And to conduct sadistic acts the accused needed time and a VERY private space.

IMO he may have tortured some of his later victims, but imprisoning them purely for the time frame that he needed, never leaving them alone.

If my "I've watched too many TV crime shows" brain engages, then I imagine the accused had access to a remote property where he imprisoned the victims for longer periods. Maybe just 1-3 days over a weekend but no longer than one week. Something like an abandoned farm house or shed, old timber mill or factory, or an old church or hall.

The accused's career allowed for plenty of opportunities driving around the outer suburbs of Perth, always keeping an eye out for possible sites that suited his alleged evil purposes. The same employer since 1987 gave 30+ years of driving to search and locate the perfect k-sites and d-sites. Surely would make his seemingly boring job more exciting for him!

Furthermore, I'm considering a 4.5-5 months and 9-11 months offending cycle between his possible victims. So two victims fairly close together in time at 4.5-5 months apart. Then he's satisfied for a while, until the urge to offend again emerges around 9-11 months later. Give or take a few weeks depending on intrusion factors (real life getting in the way) and allowing time for planning MO, sites, and victim etc.

IMO the accused could be one of Australia's worst SK's. I'm judging this on facts that WAPOL have been so covert with many details, withheld JR's video, and clamped down so hard with non-disclosure agreements. Local rumours say a lot more but these rumours cannot be discussed here. Personally I think the kimono story is a red herring given to MSM for some secret strategic reasoning privy only to WAPOL.

So PeteDavo in answer to your original question - yes IMO the accused keeps murder victims tied up and possibly imprisoned but for only 1-3 days.





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This possibly addresses why there's no further comment from WAPOL

However, now that a person has been charged, I want to take this opportunity to reiterate the need to respect the judicial process which has now commenced.

It is timely to remind everybody that comments posted on social media are also not immune from contempt of court proceedings.Finally, I have carefully considered what I could say to you this morning.As these matters are now before the courts, and there remains an ongoing investigation, I am unable to provide any further information and am not in a position to answer your questions.I am confident the community will understand we do not want to say anything now that could impact in any way on the prosecution.I have revealed some new details about the investigation that may have jogged some memories of some people.If anyone believes they have any information that may assist our ongoing investigation, please call Crime Stoppers.
from: transcript of Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan’s media conference
http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2016/12/24&id=Ar03202&sk=2ECCC3FB

And WAPOL has previously made it clear that certain details have been withheld

Almost three weeks after Ciara vanished, a bushwalker stumbled across her body near Pipidinny Road in Eglinton on what was then Perth’s far northern fringes.

The location of the body made sense to police. Eglinton was north of where the Mitchell Freeway ended.Jane Rimmer had been dumped near the end of the Kwinana Freeway.No attempt had been made to bury either of the bodies. Though Jane Rimmer was naked, Ciara was reportedly fully clothed.The details of how they died have never been released, but police did confirm that the women’s gravesites had given them a valuable insight into the mind of the killer.
http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2016/01/26&id=Ar01607&sk=B7B9FCE7

We know the time frame between disappearance and discovery of 2 victims.

There has been very little information disclosed to show how long they were alive before being found, nor how long from being dumped to discovery, except "police opinions" reported in MSM, that gives little clue as to which investigator's opinion it is nor what evidence these opinions are based upon to judge the veracity of these opinions, so the possibility exists that your theory might be the right course to investigate further. IMO

 

[Spinnaker]

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And WAPOL has previously made it clear that certain details have been withheld
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The location of the body made sense to police. Eglinton was north of where the Mitchell Freeway ended.Jane Rimmer had been dumped near the end of the Kwinana Freeway.No attempt had been made to bury either of the bodies. Though Jane Rimmer was naked, Ciara was reportedly fully clothed. The details of how they died have never been released, but police did confirm that the women’s grave sites had given them a valuable insight into the mind of the killer.
http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive/...07&sk=B7B9FCE7

Interesting comment below:

"police did confirm that the women’s grave sites had given them a valuable insight into the mind of the killer"

What circumstances at the grave site gave valuable insight into the mind of the killer?

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

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Interesting comment below:

"police did confirm that the women’s grave sites had given them a valuable insight into the mind of the killer"

What circumstances at the grave site gave valuable insight into the mind of the killer?

I agree with you Spinnaker. That one sentence could lead us to think the alleged did something specific that WAPOL maybe preferred to keep hidden from public scrutiny.



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[petedavo.au]

I agree with you Spinnaker. That one sentence could lead us to think the alleged did something specific that WAPOL maybe preferred to keep hidden from public scrutiny.



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Police will withhold certain things in any investigation that only the perpetrator will know so they can eliminate false confessions of the crazies that want to confess to crimes they never committed.

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[Canning Vale]

Regarding JR being found naked and CG fully clothed. Also, no attempt to bury either body. https://thewest.com.au

Below is a link to a criminal behaviour assignment by a Pam Henry of Edith Cowan University regarding Modus Operandi, Signature and Staging.


A couple of the paragraphs mention, when physical evidence is left behind on the victim of a sadistic crime the mutilated and or naked body is left exposed for the purpose of shocking the investigators into thinking the offender is a monster.


When the offence is made to look like an accident. Motives and drives are accountable for the use of deception, which is supposed to make the criminal behaviour look like an act of god or an accident. Perhaps this explains why CG was left clothed. http://www.geocities

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[petedavo.au]

Hilo,

Below is a link to the article which advises what needs to be done to establish the “accused” CSKs movements.

While that work continues, about 30 extra detectives have been brought in to help work on the case to get it ready for trial.

Despite a two-decade long investigation into the murders, Mr Edwards came on to the radar of police only a matter of weeks before his arrest.

A large volume of work now needs to be done to establish his movements at the times the crimes were committed.

The extra detectives will also be involved in examining any links to other unsolved cases from the past 30 years.

http://www.perthnow.com.au

If WAPOL are trying to establish the accused movements, maybe there's suspicion of a time lag between abduction and disposal.
And why did the Post pull the story about the Government Rd building from the online copy?

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[Spooks-R-Us]

If WAPOL are trying to establish the accused movements, maybe there's suspicion of a time lag between abduction and disposal.
And why did the Post pull the story about the Government Rd building from the online copy?

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Maybe WAPOL ordered the Government Rd article be removed because possibly some information in the article may affect their legal case. Or the article possibly violated some slander issues by associating that particular Nedlands address with the upcoming CSK trial and alleged perpetrator. Just guessing here.



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[Spinnaker]

I agree with you Spinnaker. That one sentence could lead us to think the alleged did something specific that WAPOL maybe preferred to keep hidden from public scrutiny.



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The below article refers to JR site and mentions that "there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

Also "other items had been found at the scene but Inspector Ferguson would not elaborate".

What were these 'other' items founds and who did the additional clothing belong to?

 

[Canning Vale]

If WAPOL are trying to establish the accused movements, maybe there's suspicion of a time lag between abduction and disposal.
And why did the Post pull the story about the Government Rd building from the online copy?

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Petedavo,

It's a good point about the story of the Government Rd building, being pulled out from the POST online.

MACRO might be under the impression that JR was killed the night she disappeared. According to WAPOLs Det. Sgt. Jim Stanbury the footage of JR was shot on the night she was abducted and murdered. Reference 36.33mins of CIAs Hunt for the Claremont Murders.

[video=youtube;nNNF1E3mg3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c[/video]

 

[apoptosisfutz]

@Spooks

Continuing this 4.5 month theory...
Are you wondering if the CSK imprisoned his victims somewhere alive for a period of time before killing them?

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Very good point petedavo...IMO the CSK was a blitz type of attacker. He may have kept his target for some time then expedited the decomposition process before and/or after (there are ways touched on below). This 'could' throw police off on timeframe as well as destroy/contaminate precious evidence. To abduct and kill straight away or at least vrry quickly doesn't make sense to me but anything is possible.

A very interesting read about decomposition...not for the faint hearted....

http://www.leelofland.com/how-to-properly-rot-your-corpse-postmortem-decomposition/

Some interesting quotes from the link:

Therefore, a murder victim whose body bled out will decompose at a slower rate than someone who died of natural causes.

Bodies adorned in thick, heavy clothing (the material retains heat) decompose more rapidly than the norm. Electric blankets also speed up decomposition.

The rule of thumb for the decomposition of a body is, (if at the same temperature) 8 weeks in well-drained soil equals two weeks in the water, or one week exposed to the air.

The CSK, (whoever that is) likely knew what he was doing by leaving them out in the open IMO.

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[petedavo.au]

Maybe WAPOL ordered the Government Rd article be removed because possibly some information in the article may affect their legal case. Or the article possibly violated some slander issues by associating that particular Nedlands address with the upcoming CSK trial and alleged perpetrator. Just guessing here.



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The article was pulled down months before the accused was charged, so it was not sub judicial. I can only assume that WAPOL was afraid of tipping off whoever they would eventually charge at the time because they thought the place was indeed a crime scene

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Good point re dates PeteDavo - I didn't think about that.

Also if article removed because WAPOL maybe considered the location a crime scene - then would the fact that the article is still offline mean that WAPOL still consider the location a possible crime scene even after the arrest?



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[Spooks-R-Us]

Very good point petedavo...IMO the CSK was a blitz type of attacker. He may have kept his target for some time then expedited the decomposition process before and/or after (there are ways touched on below). This 'could' throw police off on timeframe as well as destroy/contaminate precious evidence. To abduct and kill straight away or at least vrry quickly doesn't make sense to me but anything is possible.

A very interesting read about decomposition...not for the faint hearted....

http://www.leelofland.com/how-to-properly-rot-your-corpse-postmortem-decomposition/

Some interesting quotes from the link:

Therefore, a murder victim whose body bled out will decompose at a slower rate than someone who died of natural causes.

Bodies adorned in thick, heavy clothing (the material retains heat) decompose more rapidly than the norm. Electric blankets also speed up decomposition.

The rule of thumb for the decomposition of a body is, (if at the same temperature) 8 weeks in well-drained soil equals two weeks in the water, or one week exposed to the air.

The CSK, (whoever that is) likely knew what he was doing by leaving them out in the open IMO.

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Great post - thanks



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[petedavo.au]

Good point re dates PeteDavo - I didn't think about that.

Also if article removed because WAPOL maybe considered the location a crime scene - then would the fact that the article is still offline mean that WAPOL still consider the location a possible crime scene even after the arrest?



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Maybe it's just the owner cracking the with Bret Christian because the article had 'monumental works' in it, when he didn't want people to twig and associate what the owner suspects might of occurred there with his business. Might put off customers.
I don't think WAPOL would have as much influence with The Post as an advertiser IMO.

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[Canning Vale]

The below article refers to JR site and mentions that "there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

Also "other items had been found at the scene but Inspector Ferguson would not elaborate".

What were these 'other' items founds and who did the additional clothing belong to?

Perhaps the items of clothing were purposely placed at the scene to confuse WAPOL.

According to the same article (link) posted beforehand…..

The possibility that an offender may be attempting to mislead the authorities by staging events to make the scene look disorganised such as when a murder is made to look like a burglary gone wrong. In general then it is true that evading the authorities reflects staging behaviour.

http://www.geocities.ws/darragh_scully/mod.html