Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[Spooks-R-Us]

Perhaps the items of clothing were purposely placed at the scene to confuse WAPOL.

According to the same article posted beforehand…..

The possibility that an offender may be attempting to mislead the authorities by staging events to make the scene look disorganised such as when a murder is made to look like a burglary gone wrong. In general then it is true that evading the authorities reflects staging behaviour.

http://www.geocities.ws/darragh_scully/mod.html

Re extra clothing found near JR's d-site, that immediate area is a storm drain and it was normal to find refuse, clothing, and footwear around the area. Plus the locals had bonfires and parties at nearby corner of Woolcoot and Millar roads. So some 'left behind' items could have floated down towards the d-site in heavy rains.

There are photos on this thread showing the d-site and surrounding area.



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[DRT]

The below article refers to JR site and mentions that "there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

Also "other items had been found at the scene but Inspector Ferguson would not elaborate".

What were these 'other' items founds and who did the additional clothing belong to?

There was discussion in a previous thread that the area was perhaps a dumping ground for rubbish in general. I cannot find the exact thread but I am guessing maybe March or April this year perhaps or in the last thread. I have looked but was unable to find the reference.

I did find this article from 2016 about the lady returning to the site where she found JR's body only to find there was rubbish including a dumped couch.
https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-west-australian/20160125/282149290328951

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Maybe it's just the owner cracking the with Bret Christian because the article had 'monumental works' in it, when he didn't want people to twig and associate what the owner suspects might of occurred there with his business. Might put off customers.
I don't think WAPOL would have as much influence with The Post as an advertiser IMO.

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That's exactly what I meant when I mentioned "slander issues" in my earlier post [emoji2]



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[Canning Vale]

WAPOL says no. But that might just be a diversionary tactic.

I'm considering that the alleged CSK morphed from a violent rapist to a sadistic killer, where the sadistic aspect become more enjoyable than any accompanying sexual acts. JMO.

And to conduct sadistic acts the accused needed time and a VERY private space.

IMO he may have tortured some of his later victims, but imprisoning them purely for the time frame that he needed, never leaving them alone.

If my "I've watched too many TV crime shows" brain engages, then I imagine the accused had access to a remote property where he imprisoned the victims for longer periods. Maybe just 1-3 days over a weekend but no longer than one week. Something like an abandoned farm house or shed, old timber mill or factory, or an old church or hall.

The accused's career allowed for plenty of opportunities driving around the outer suburbs of Perth, always keeping an eye out for possible sites that suited his alleged evil purposes. The same employer since 1987 gave 30+ years of driving to search and locate the perfect k-sites and d-sites. Surely would make his seemingly boring job more exciting for him!

Furthermore, I'm considering a 4.5-5 months and 9-11 months offending cycle between his possible victims. So two victims fairly close together in time at 4.5-5 months apart. Then he's satisfied for a while, until the urge to offend again emerges around 9-11 months later. Give or take a few weeks depending on intrusion factors (real life getting in the way) and allowing time for planning MO, sites, and victim etc.

IMO the accused could be one of Australia's worst SK's. I'm judging this on facts that WAPOL have been so covert with many details, withheld JR's video, and clamped down so hard with non-disclosure agreements. Local rumours say a lot more but these rumours cannot be discussed here. Personally I think the kimono story is a red herring given to MSM for some secret strategic reasoning privy only to WAPOL.

So PeteDavo in answer to your original question - yes IMO the accused keeps murder victims tied up and possibly imprisoned but for only 1-3 days.
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Spooks,

A very interesting post, like you've got into the mind of a SK.

With regard to detaining a victim within a secluded site. Twenty years ago, Perth's suburbs had ample of old buildings awaiting demolition for subdivision. Perhaps that's why the two d-sites were at the end of the freeways and the victims possibly kept at vacant properties near the end of the freeway. Alas, after buildings are demolished there's no DNA.

Quite possibly, Telstra's computer software could generate a list of disconnected phones within buildings awaiting demolition.

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Photos I took from JR's d-site and corner of Woolcoot and Millar Roads showing bonfire and party area.

(Some of these pics may be a repeat from an earlier post of mine showing my photos of same location)



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[petedavo.au]

That's exactly what I meant when I mentioned "slander issues" in my earlier post [emoji2]



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IMO, it wouldn't be slanderous as much as salacious. And since he probably advertises in The Post, he'd have enough clout to have the story pulled if he thinks it'd harm the goodwill of his company. He was obviously keen to show he was a good citizen, but probably would of expected the article to not identify the nature of the business currently occupying the site. In that regard it makes sense to replace the article removing reference to "monumental works". So it's still a bit of a mystery why it went and The Post's lack of an explanation for removing it.

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Spooks,

A very interesting post, like you've got into the mind of a SK.

With regard to detaining a victim within a secluded site. Twenty years ago, Perth's suburbs had ample of old buildings awaiting demolition for subdivision. Perhaps that's why the two d-sites were at the end of the freeways and the victims possibly kept at vacant properties near the end of the freeway. Alas, after buildings are demolished there's no DNA.

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

Thank you CV
And good point about the demolitions.
I'm also thinking there are many abandoned (near) pioneer aged buildings and structures throughout outer Perth, and not all of these would be listed online.



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Petedavo

I know you had an interest in the car in the driveway at BRE's place from the streetview pictures. I was looking through old threads and I found this from TrueBlue2017 a verified insider.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...K-1996-97-Perth-WA-13&p=13148989#post13148989

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

IMO, it wouldn't be slanderous as much as salacious. And since he probably advertises in The Post, he'd have enough clout to have the story pulled if he thinks it'd harm the goodwill of his company. He was obviously keen to show he was a good citizen, but probably would of expected the article to not identify the nature of the business currently occupying the site. In that regard it makes sense to replace the article removing reference to "monumental works". So it's still a bit of a mystery why it went and The Post's lack of an explanation for removing it.

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Hey Pete I had to google the meaning of that other big 'S' word!! But I'm still confused - can you please explain why it would be salacious???



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[Canning Vale]

Thank you CV
And good point about the demolitions.
I'm also thinking there are many abandoned (near) pioneer aged buildings and structures throughout outer Perth, and not all of these would be listed online.
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Spooks,

How about locating the D-sites on GoogleEarth, then setting the timer back, in time, to see what buildings are nearby.
Sounds like a job for tomorrow. :bedtime:

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Spooks,

How about locating the D-sites on GoogleEarth, then setting the timer back, in time, to see what buildings are nearby.
Sounds like a job for tomorrow. :bedtime:

Haha yeh bedtime soon.
Have a good sleep [emoji42]



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[Spooks-R-Us]

I'm really interested to find out what the one item from CG's body that was initially overlooked by WAPOL, but was later tested leading to DNA discovery!

Considering CG was found fully clothed, I wonder if this item was a button or something like a box-chain necklace that could contain DNA traces that couldn't be wiped away and cleaned up by the alleged perpetrator.





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[Spinnaker]

Perhaps the items of clothing were purposely placed at the scene to confuse WAPOL.

According to the same article (link) posted beforehand…..

The possibility that an offender may be attempting to mislead the authorities by staging events to make the scene look disorganised such as when a murder is made to look like a burglary gone wrong. In general then it is true that evading the authorities reflects staging behaviour.

http://www.geocities.ws/darragh_scully/mod.html

Definitely staging IMO - my personal view is that there were items from other crime scenes.

It has also been reported that victims were killed at dump site - there would be key circumstances and MO not disclosed to public.




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[Spooks-R-Us]

Definitely staging IMO - my personal view is that there were items from other crime scenes.

It has also been reported that victims were killed at dump site - there would be key circumstances and MO not disclosed to public.




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Hey Spinnaker why would the alleged CSK bring items from other crimes scenes and implicate himself further?
Also when you say other crimes scenes, do you mean other crimes scenes of same victim, or totally different victims?



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[Spinnaker]

In response to Spooks question above:

I do not believe that there would have been additional clothing in situ at JR's site 20+ years ago - there is some significance.

Also what are the 'other items' the police refer to?

IMO.

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[Spooks-R-Us]

In response to Spooks question above:

I do not believe that there would have been additional clothing in situ at JR's site 20+ years ago - there is some significance.

Also what are the 'other items' the police refer to?

IMO.

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I don't have MSM source - only local knowledge - but the area was definitely used for bonfires and parties 20+ years ago.
As I can't back this up, I won't be offended if you choose to disagree.


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[Spinnaker]

I don't have MSM source - only local knowledge - but the area was definitely used for bonfires and parties 20+ years ago.
As I can't back this up, I won't be offended if you choose to disagree.


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All good Spooks this will be revealed at trial hopefully ... that's if evidence was kept ....


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[petedavo.au]

Hey Pete I had to google the meaning of that other big 'S' word!! But I'm still confused - can you please explain why it would be salacious???



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News becoming entertainment based on shock value.*

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[petedavo.au]

Somebody once posted (I think it was thread number 12 or 13) that EFTPOS wasn't around in 1996.
https://youtu.be/e850d6iERyA

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[Canning Vale]

Very good point petedavo...IMO the CSK was a blitz type of attacker. He may have kept his target for some time then expedited the decomposition process before and/or after (there are ways touched on below). This 'could' throw police off on timeframe as well as destroy/contaminate precious evidence. To abduct and kill straight away or at least vrry quickly doesn't make sense to me but anything is possible.

A very interesting read about decomposition...not for the faint hearted....

http://www.leelofland.com/how-to-properly-rot-your-corpse-postmortem-decomposition/

Some interesting quotes from the link:

Therefore, a murder victim whose body bled out will decompose at a slower rate than someone who died of natural causes.

Bodies adorned in thick, heavy clothing (the material retains heat) decompose more rapidly than the norm. Electric blankets also speed up decomposition.

The rule of thumb for the decomposition of a body is, (if at the same temperature) 8 weeks in well-drained soil equals two weeks in the water, or one week exposed to the air.

The CSK, (whoever that is) likely knew what he was doing by leaving them out in the open IMO.

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apoptosisfutz

Thanks for the info. Back in those days, prior to Google, researching such information would require a library book or hard copy book. I don't suppose the local library would have any records that someone borrowed a book 20 years beforehand.