Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[Spooks-R-Us]

Did WAPOL conduct any searches for evidence at the LA clubs? Not implicating the clubs or other members, but just wondering since the accused volunteered for LA for 10 years, and probably would've had keys to LA properties, especially when he was president.

Did the accused hide his SK trophies in LA trophies? A possible intermediary location?

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/557f281e68cdf76d572843291ea9cef7

 

[Canning Vale]

I didn't assume the murder victims were raped.
IMO he moved from violent rape to sadistic killing.
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What comes to mind is the story written by Debi Marshall. Regarding the lady who was abducted from the Perth hotel and left at the bridge in Wilson. That lady was beaten for hours (no rape). My apologies I can't locate that link - I've searched for it.
I'm not suggesting it was BRE just my thoughts and opinion.

 

[ESH]

Perhaps CG was forced to get dressed before she was murdered

 

[ESH]

CV, in reply to your earlier post about the bricklayer sighting the taxi. I imagine it would be possible for someone to put a fake / stolen sign on the roof of a car and magnetic signs on the doors. In the early days of the CSK investigation, there seemed to be a strong focus on taxis. This would have been one way of luring safety conscious, intelligent women into a vehicle.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Perhaps CG was forced to get dressed before she was murdered

I like your thinking..... please tell us more


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[ESH]

I vaguely recall rumours of a fake taxi going around Northbridge trying to pick up women. From memory this was before the CSK...more around the time of the Kings Park rapist. I remember hearing someting about a car with all of the internal door handles removed.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Perhaps CG was forced to get dressed before she was murdered

Or the accused dressed her (like a doll).

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

What comes to mind is the story written by Debi Marshall. Regarding the lady who was abducted from the Perth hotel and left at the bridge in Wilson. That lady was beaten for hours (no rape). My apologies I can't locate that link - I've searched for it.
I'm not suggesting it was BRE just my thoughts and opinion.

Was this the victim that got wrapped up in plastic or something similar? Egyptian mummy style


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[ESH]

Previous posts / articles have said that CG was fully dressed, but then go on to say that items were missing. IMO...if someone was raped & then forced to get dressed again (physically traumatised or maybe drugged to be driven to a dump site), would a person put a bra or knickers on?

 

[petedavo.au]

I vaguely recall rumours of a fake taxi going around Northbridge trying to pick up women. From memory this was before the CSK...more around the time of the Kings Park rapist. I remember hearing someting about a car with all of the internal door handles removed.

There was a bloke once, back when I was working in the Courts that was done for impersonating a copper to get freebies off street workers in Northbridge. Had a fake badge, even tried to deck out his car with a scanner to make out it was a detectives. It was in the papers, but the west archives don't go back to last half of the nineties


Edit:
I just found his name in a 2009 story detailing his criminal history.

McGarry

http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2009/08/18&id=Ar00306&sk=FBA3EB78

Further edit:

Oopsies, could be mixing up two cases.
It was Nicholas Hooper who got the freebies off prostitutes by impersonating a copper and I think it was someone else that impersonated a cop to rob street workers in Northbridge.

http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2005/11/02&id=Ar01300&sk=CDBDF979
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[DRT]

What comes to mind is the story written by Debi Marshall. Regarding the lady who was abducted from the Perth hotel and left at the bridge in Wilson. That lady was beaten for hours (no rape). My apologies I can't locate that link - I've searched for it.
I'm not suggesting it was BRE just my thoughts and opinion.

This was earlier on in this thread occurring a week or 2 prior to JC being found. It was from an article in one or more of the Perth newspapers that people copied here on the site.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Previous posts / articles have said that CG was fully dressed, but then go on to say that items were missing. IMO...if someone was raped & then forced to get dressed again (physically traumatised or maybe drugged to be driven to a dump site), would a person put a bra or knickers on?

Not sure.
My first reaction is - yes they would put on bra or knickers because this would probably feel more normal and a bit like 'extra protection' (even though possible sexual assault may have already occurred)


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[ESH]

Think most women would get dressed as fast as the could to cover themselves up after such a traumatic experience. Respect to your opinions though. I just find it strange that CG was dressed / partially dressed. Given the reported DNA links between KK victim & CG....the perpetrator was a sexual predator/rapist. Noted that WAPOL refused to confirm that CG was raped but doesn't mean she wasn't. Supposing she was raped, she must have been forced to redress before she died as I doubt someone wanting to dispose of a body would waste time dressing a corpse which, I'm told by my 'Old School' Nursing Mum is no easy task. All supposition though!

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

I wonder if the 'partially clothed' versus 'fully clothed' quandary was due to decomposition of the clothing providing ambiguous clues in the beginning of the investigation.....


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[Spooks-R-Us]

Also totally nudity is not always a prerequisite for rape. Rape can be committed when the victim is fully clothed, partially clothed, or clothing pulled aside and then refitted.


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[Canning Vale]

CV, in reply to your earlier post about the bricklayer sighting the taxi. I imagine it would be possible for someone to put a fake / stolen sign on the roof of a car and magnetic signs on the doors. In the early days of the CSK investigation, there seemed to be a strong focus on taxis. This would have been one way of luring safety conscious, intelligent women into a vehicle.

ESH,
Thanks for the feedback. Last night I couldn't sleep thinking about it. Recently I've added the CIA video which showed CG on the Stirling Hwy speaking to someone who drove a light-coloured station wagon. However, the taxi was described as a Ford (dirty). That means at some stage the accused switched vehicles. Therefore, he either drove her to the secluded place where the Ford was already waiting or he went home and retrieved the Ford. The article about the Government Rd building mentioned finding tyre tracks inside. Perhaps Petedavo's theory is correct. All links have recently been added. These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[Canning Vale]

Think most women would get dressed as fast as the could to cover themselves up after such a traumatic experience. Respect to your opinions though. I just find it strange that CG was dressed / partially dressed. Given the reported DNA links between KK victim & CG....the perpetrator was a sexual predator/rapist. Noted that WAPOL refused to confirm that CG was raped but doesn't mean she wasn't. Supposing she was raped, she must have been forced to redress before she died as I doubt someone wanting to dispose of a body would waste time dressing a corpse which, I'm told by my 'Old School' Nursing Mum is no easy task. All supposition though!

ESH,
Good points. Thank you.

 

[Canning Vale]

there is a strong clothing theme in relation to the CSK:

Kimono (1988)
"stolen off a washing line 28 years ago ... the white kimono was dropped by an intruder who broke into the home of an 18-year-old Huntingdale woman and tried to rape her.Her screams caused him to flee and police believe the stolen kimono was accidentally dropped by the man as he ran out of the home.

DNA found on a silk dressing gown dropped near the scene of the 1988 incident allegedly matched DNA recovered from the body of Ms Glennon and the Karrakatta rape victim.
http://www.news.com.au/national/cla...t/news-story/cdad7c5a6b825958b6d46cb11eb44c75


Items taken from JR and CG:
"Several items belonging to Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon were never recovered with their bodies and it is understood police are searching for those items"

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/silk...ved-to-have-provided-vital-clue-ng-b88337818z

Items found with JR
"Inspector Ferguson said there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found ... did not appear to belong to Ms Rimmer .. other items were also found at the scene".
(article posted last night)


Clothing items taken from KK victim
Left without any clothing at KK including shoes.

Is it possible that the clothes left at JR site belonged to the KK victim?

Spinnaker,
Regarding the clothes belonging to the KK victim. All of the victims were petite and probably the same size, it would make sense he collected the clothes and did whatever. These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[Spinnaker]

ESH,
Thanks for the feedback. Last night I couldn't sleep thinking about it. Recently I've added the CIA video which showed CG on the Stirling Hwy speaking to someone who drove a light-coloured station wagon. However, the taxi was described as a Ford (dirty). That means at some stage the accused switched vehicles. Therefore, he either drove her to the secluded place where the Ford was already waiting or he went home and retrieved the Ford. The article about the Government Rd building mentioned finding tyre tracks inside. Perhaps Petedavo's theory is correct. All links have recently been added. These are only my thoughts and opinions.

Regards to the taxi sighting on Pippidinny Road:

"The taxi had its headlights off as it turned off Pipidinny Rd, Eglinton, on to Wanneroo Rd in the pre-dawn darkness ... he (witness) was heading south on Wanneroo Rd, from Yanchep to his work site at Nollamara, when he saw the taxi begin turning out of Pipidinny Rd in front of him."

Does this mean that the taxi could have been coming from CG site (if the taxi was indeed connected)?

If this is the case, then there was a mention of someone sitting in the back seat.

In the event of this vehicle being connected to CSK and the murder of CG, who was in the back seat .. an accomplice?

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/b80af943b3f4b839a9956cdffd1aa3ab

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

BRE 8 charges:

"He faces two charges of wilful murder in 1996 and 1997 against Claremont victims Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.
The six other charges against Mr Edwards relate to the 1995 abduction and sexual assault of a 17-year-old at a cemetery near Claremont and the 1988 indecent assault of a woman, 18."

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...n/news-story/182cde6ee9022a03a731d77dac9af08d

Does not appear to be rape charges for CG & JR.

So do we assume NO rape occurred if BRE NOT charged with sexual assault of JR and CG?

In the same vein, do we assume NO abduction occurred if BRE NOT charged with the abduction of JR and CG?

Do wilful murder charges also assume under the charge that the victim was abducted?

Does this mean WAPOL have NO evidence to insist JR and CG were abducted prior to be murdered?

Or does this indicate JR and CG willingly got into a vehicle with the accused BRE?

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