Found Deceased Australia - Elisa Curry, 43, Aireys Inlet, Melbourne, 30 Sept 2017 #1

[Trooper]

Is it okay to say I'm wondering if there was a hitman involved? :thinking:

the obvious question that would need to be addressed in that scenario , is .. who benefits?.. who wants her death so bad the risk of hiring someone, and paying someone is not outrageously risky, but acceptably risky?

 

[*Verdigris]

well... so far.. and I mention these events because they are exponentially increasing.. a lot of the original information, which mostly came from the husband in regard to his missing wife are being backpedalled, and/or moved forward.. . the late night run.. the early morning long distance run, running of any description, going to bed at 10.30pm., going for a run at all, perhaps not even contemplating a run, .. perhaps not even being dressed to go for a run, the dog.. missing, having followed her on a run, but now at the neighbors, doesn't run with her usually, certainly doesn't run on a marathon training run. Did he ring her? did she ring him?.. she might take the phone with her, or she did take it with her regularly, .........

That's a lot of mucking about, peoples. .. and.. ( lifted eyebrow ) almost as if the Vic Police ave been sent off on a wild goose chase....all these fallbacks are advantageous to the killer, in so far as it delayed the search, in so far as it seemed to be a huge radius , which widened the search and as the hours wear on, the radius appears to be diminishing, the circle is getting smaller.. it hasn't been to the advantage of Elisa.

The person who knows where the body most likely is, or was , ( it might have been thrown into the sea. .. that current up the Wreckers Coast, from Cape Otway to Torquay is the natural home of the Great White Shark ) is also the person who doesn't want that body found, under any circumstances.. UNLESS there are insurance payouts needed desperately.

So, are you saying (if foul play scenario) that you do think (somebody) wants her body found, or not?
Sorry, don't mean to be a dolt - just still trying to break this one down.

 

[fruity]

I thought that too. Pretty early start for 3 kids. Dad would have been up early to get everyone organised.

True

Does Victoria do the daylight savings change thing? That means leaving at what their body clocks thought was 6am.

 

[Hbayne]

I beg to differ Hbayne.. the information the police have acted upon , the search along the coast road for a running woman, the timing of her habitual runs, the direction, the regularity of the route taken, and so on and so forth, all this information was given by the husband to the police as to the conclusion of her being a missing person needing a search done immediately, which is why helicopters were sent up, boats were sent out, horses and riders dispatched, lines of searchers from the SES and the police thru the scrub.... The search would not, and was not instigated on the advice of neighbors or friends of Mrs Curry, but by the report of Mr Curry and his mysteriously absent wife.

Now in all fairness, HBaynes.. I do find that there is a preponderance of what could fairly and genuinely be called Bad Information having been given to the police. I understand your desire to argue this , if not only with me , but I stick to my comment, with backup.

I think you have misunderstood my comment. Police have not at any stage mentioned "a killer " which you referenced. Early days and not fair to judge this man who may be or may be not incredibly distressed by his missing wife. Maybe time to remember this is a victim friendly site and husband has not been declared a suspect or poi. So at this early stage he is a victim as well

 

[Trooper]

I think there is going to be a whole lot of funny money, impossible debt, huge outgoings , improbably risky capital ventures, highly probable significant other's or other in the marriage, on her part or ... maybe on his.... the story around the congregation of legal persons has her being fed up with him and wanting to call it quits... that would mean a substantial exposure of assets, monies, properties, taxes, superannuation, vehicles, etc etc all up for grabs and dispersal, the children are quite young, all in private primary school, no where near the expense of private secondary, much less tertiary education expenses looking forward...

its enough to make a grown man cry....

 

[*Verdigris]

the obvious question that would need to be addressed in that scenario , is .. who benefits?.. who wants her death so bad the risk of hiring someone, and paying someone is not outrageously risky, but acceptably risky?

I think fluffy already had that someone in mind.
maybe.

 

[fruity]

Ha ha, beat me to it!

I'm practically a day late haha! Sorry all, I somehow missed a whole page of responses.

 

[fruity]

Yes, it is encouraged, and a good thing, to report a missing person sooner rather than later now.

But, I believe Elisa's husband would of been required to provide to police genuine proof of some kind that Elisa's welfare in her disappearance was immediately, urgently and seriously compromised for such a multi-faceted expensive search to be orchestrated so quickly. i.e. proof of depression and suicidal tendencies - just an example.

Yes. I agree.

Arriving home to find your avid runner of a wife not there is not grounds to call the police, imo.

 

[BoysTown]

Does Victoria do the daylight savings change thing? That means leaving at what their body clocks thought was 6am.

Yes

 

[Trooper]

So, are you saying (if foul play scenario) that you do think (somebody) wants her body found, or not?
Sorry, don't mean to be a dolt - just still trying to break this one down.

when one murders for the money, the insurance payout, specifically, the most alarming hurdle to a happy ending for the murderer. there is the requirement of a death certificate to collect the payout. Without that, no payout. ... there are a few criteria to be met, even so. One must not be under suspicion in regard to the death. , much less charged and awaiting trial. All monies are suspended in that case.

Or one has to wait a minimum of 7 years for the death to be attested to by the coroner. Without a body, there is the non use of one's banking affairs, no medical appearances on the medicare data base, no travel arrangements found, no sightings, a whole lot of stuff, but death can be so confirmed by the coroner, and a death certificate granted , even without a body.

But if one killed in a hurry for the money, a pressing need, a due debt, then one would want the body found, pronto.

 

[Fluffykins]

I think there is going to be a whole lot of funny money, impossible debt, huge outgoings , improbably risky capital ventures, highly probable significant other's or other in the marriage, on her part or ... maybe on his.... the story around the congregation of legal persons has her being fed up with him and wanting to call it quits... that would mean a substantial exposure of assets, monies, properties, taxes, superannuation, vehicles, etc etc all up for grabs and dispersal, the children are quite young, all in private primary school, no where near the expense of private secondary, much less tertiary education expenses looking forward...

its enough to make a grown man cry....

Yup ... he would lose big time in the event of a divorce. She'd get the kids and he'd be doing the weekend pickup, lunch at Maccas thing. An intolerable scenario paying out for her to live the life to which she's accustomed thanks to him, while keeping his kids to boot.
But he does appear to have a watertight alibi.

 

[Fluffykins]

I'm practically a day late haha! Sorry all, I somehow missed a whole page of responses.

It's always good to see your smiling fruity face pop up again!

 

[*Verdigris]

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And now that we know (well, they've reported) that the phone was turned *off* Saturday night, that is lifting some (maybe a lot of) weight off the husband.
No? (Unless we entertain Fluffykins idea of a hitman.)

So, here's another phone question: can it truly be determined whether the phone was actually turned off, rather than gone flat? I don't think that was a capability in the past, but perhaps it is now? Probably not all devices, but maybe some. Anybody know for sure?
...off to Google...
Don't know what type of phone she has, but guess I'll just check in general.
I know I've checked something like this before, but got conflicting answers.

 

[Hbayne]

Yup ... he would lose big time in the event of a divorce. She'd get the kids and he'd be doing the weekend pickup, lunch at Maccas thing. An intolerable scenario paying out for her to live the life to which she's accustomed thanks to him, while keeping his kids to boot.
But he does appear to have a watertight alibi.

How can you say all of this. What do you know about this family that none of us do. Jumping the gun a little bit I think. Husband at this point is not a suspect. As moderator posted earlier

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, it is encouraged, and a good thing, to report a missing person sooner rather than later now.

But, I believe Elisa's husband would of been required to provide to police genuine proof of some kind that Elisa's welfare in her disappearance was immediately, urgently and seriously compromised for such a multi-faceted expensive search to be orchestrated so quickly. i.e. proof of depression and suicidal tendencies - just an example.

Yes. Contained in the link I provided, it clearly states to be ready with all pertinent information.

Discuss:
- Any behavioural changes, personal, medical or emotional problems your family member, relative or friend may have experienced before they went missing.
- Medication the person may use and what it is used to treat. Also provide information about any illegal drug use.
- If the person has been reported missing before, the circumstances and where they were found.
- Lists of friends, acquaintances, and anyone else who might have information or clues as to the whereabouts of your loved one. Try to include telephone numbers and addresses when available.
- Your loved one’s interests, these may provide clues or further avenues for investigation.
- Any plans to make your own enquiries or assist with the search.
- Whether there is any action you need to take to preserve details for forensic collection i.e. you may need to limit access to your home until police have collected evidence or put aside items such as hair or toothbrushes for DNA collection.

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/someone-i-know-missing/what-happens-next/first-24-hours

 

[*Verdigris]

when one murders for the money, the insurance payout, specifically, the most alarming hurdle to a happy ending for the murderer. there is the requirement of a death certificate to collect the payout. Without that, no payout. ... there are a few criteria to be met, even so. One must not be under suspicion in regard to the death. , much less charged and awaiting trial. All monies are suspended in that case.

Or one has to wait a minimum of 7 years for the death to be attested to by the coroner. Without a body, there is the non use of one's banking affairs, no medical appearances on the medicare data base, no travel arrangements found, no sightings, a whole lot of stuff, but death can be so confirmed by the coroner, and a death certificate granted , even without a body.

But if one killed in a hurry for the money, a pressing need, a due debt, then one would want the body found, pronto.

OK... I kinda know all that in general... but was just wondering which do you think... let me reword it to, do you think - in this possible foul play scenario - with all the changing (dis)information that you mentioned, that somebody wants the body found *soon*?
Or, are you just mentioning either scenario, but you don't generally feel one way or the other which one it might be?

 

[Horror]

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And now that we know (well, they've reported) that the phone was turned *off* Saturday night, that is lifting some (maybe a lot of) weight off the husband.
No? (Unless we entertain Fluffykins idea of a hitman.)

So, here's another phone question: can it truly be determined whether the phone was actually turned off, rather than gone flat? I don't think that was a capability in the past, but perhaps it is now? Probably not all devices, but maybe some. Anybody know for sure?
...off to Google...
Don't know what type of phone she has, but guess I'll just check in general.
I know I've checked something like this before, but got conflicting answers.

Hi coming in late after running a catch up game - I think they know everything. Wiser members here will be able to correct me but good old Gerard's phone - I think - they knew when it was turned off, turned on and plugged in and out of charge - blew my mind at the time


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[SouthAussie]

Nothing weird at all about the husband and kids leaving early Sunday morning. It's not personal posters experience of their kids not getting up at that time ect. To me it's totally plausible, seize the day and make the most of it particularly if Monday was a work day . Get as much out of Sunday as you can.

I agree. Hbayne. There is a lot of comparing their lives to our lives going on.

There may have been a particular reason why they had arranged/agreed for the husband and children to be there by 9am.
He may have had to go to work that day, he does work in the hospitality industry, be it a corporate position. It may have been someone's birthday and a special outing/event had been planned. They may have been expecting visitors to arrive that morning and share the day with them. There could be a myriad of reasons why an early meet-up time had been planned.

Because we do not know why an early meet-up was perhaps arranged, does not mean there was not a reason.

Perhaps this is why the police jumped right on it. Perhaps this is why Elisa did not join them, so she could prepare for the day/event (or perhaps she just plain old did not want to go to the footy).

 

[Horror]

Adding my thoughts as a fence sitter - I agree with South Aussie earlier post he looks exhausted and going through what has to be done. Also not odd to stay home while everyone else's goes in my eyes. Lastly just to add odd experience in others eyes - I would get up at 4am to get back to my holiday


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[Trooper]

Hi coming in late after running a catch up game - I think they know everything. Wiser members here will be able to correct me but good old Gerard's phone - I think - they knew when it was turned off, turned on and plugged in and out of charge - blew my mind at the time


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so true.. they can turn your phone on remotely and view you, these days.. I about died when I found that out, there is just so much info on your phone. Now,, if the battery is flat, it may be difficult,.. but even that can be got around with the right equipment, and the proper legal gateway to it... I'd imagine, in this circumstance , all the stops are being pulled out to get that phone and it's information from whatever source is possible while without the actual phone itself in the police hands...

That Wretched Gerard.. one day, Horror, Alisons phone will turn up. nothing is ever lost, just temporarily missing..