Australia Australia - Gerard Ross, 11, Rockingham, WA, 14 Oct 1997

[petedavo.au]

I'm 100% SW corner is incorrect PD.

The 1997 westpix image below pointing out discovery with pencil clearly shows the limestone track leading from Stakehill and Baldivis corner. Kwinana Freeway isn't there in 1997 but the Serpentine River is and it is to the east of the discovery spot on the NW corner of the Munitions Facility.

The closeup you have of the SW corner (above) has the pole located before the track leading to GR but it is actually located after turning up this track in both 1997 and 2017 images. If it was on the SW corner other roads would have to be closed. It was only the limestone track shown with yellow do not cross tape. This track was at the corner of Stakehill and Baldivis on the NW side.

Also note, in the 1997 westpix image you can see a tree on the inside of the road on the NW corner, but there are no trees near the road at all on the SW corner.

Source 1: 2017 Google maps NW corner of Baldivis Explosives Reserve. Source 2: Westpix 1997 overhead map image of GR discovery position.

I think you mean North East corner. The only reason I didn't think it the same is the lack of electricity poles on the eastern side and the tree inside the complex covering part of the bitumen road being missing. But the South West corner has both a tree and a pole with a transformer. However the bend in the fence is no where near as sharp as the North East corner. It maybe that poles were being taken down starting in the eastern end as the explosives facility is being closed down and moved. I've google along that Eastern track to find a memorial or something, so can confirm. As it'd appear that there's cameras inside the facility that might of had a clear view of the North East corner.

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[petedavo.au]

Q1 and Q 2 didn't have anything to do with GR. I vaguely remember the case of the prominent (sports person I think) who was eventually convicted of child abuse. Mr C strikes again, still didn't do his career any harm it seems.

However the link is critically important for me, as for the first time you have a sworn admission that the GR investigation was put with the child sexual abuse unit. Again under Mr C, so if there was any protecting of cop's son's to be done, I'm sure it was done.

Q2? Dunno know.
Could be Luc Longley's brother?
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...r-a-convicted-paedophile-20150923-gjt9wb.html


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[Innerchild]

Q2? Dunno know.
Could be Luc Longley's brother?
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...r-a-convicted-paedophile-20150923-gjt9wb.html


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Holy sh** you come up with some amazing cr**! It was his uncle, not brother! Never heard of it before! However just my rusty memory Q1 was a female complainant and Q2 respected male footballer. Nothing to do with GR or any of the current cases IMO.

 

[meticulously]

Source 1: Google maps 2017 NW corner Baldivis Explosives Facility.

So I'll so back to my question for PSC which has been swamped by all these images and writing.

How was he able to find the discovery site on his motorbike, assuming anyone can go riding through the Explosive's Facility, when it is very confusing where the actual site is?

PSC were you told where to look to find GR's discovery site? If so, by whom?

"How was he able to find the discovery site on his motorbike, assuming anyone can go riding through the Explosive's Facility, when it is very confusing where the actual site is?"


Maybe he just found the cross on roadside .
I can remember a sleuther saying this years ago, they mentioned it possibly a few times .
The name was different perhaps it was #parkie & i think PCS is the same sleuth.
I can remember it well, its in blogs yrs ago
They said were motorcross biking .

Link to picture source.
https://goo.gl/images/X7LNxD

 

[meticulously]

Holy sh** you come up with some amazing cr**! It was his uncle, not brother! Never heard of it before! However just my rusty memory it was a female complainant and respected male footballer. Nothing to do with GR or any of the current cases IMO.

Correct its luc's uncle indeed .
Who was a teacher at scotch college claremont.

 

[Innerchild]

I think you mean North East corner. The only reason I didn't think it the same is the lack of electricity poles on the eastern side and the tree inside the complex covering part of the bitumen road being missing. But the South West corner has both a tree and a pole with a transformer. However the bend in the fence is no where near as sharp as the North East corner. It maybe that poles were being taken down starting in the eastern end as the explosives facility is being closed down and moved. I've google along that Eastern track to find a memorial or something, so can confirm. As it'd appear that there's cameras inside the facility that might of had a clear view of the North East corner.

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Yes I do mean North East corner. I'm getting myself confused. It has to be because of the geographic landmarks. Tree and pole and not the same in your 2017 images as in 1997.

I thought anyone coming out of the limestone track leading from Stakehill and Baldivis might be in view of camera. However looking at your images the camera only seem to be on the access road to the facility and view to the limestone track would be blocked by pine trees, as you said.

However I wouldn't be surprised if they have something on camera. Why would you ask about the white ute, unless someone else in side the pine plantation explosives faculty saw one.

I think Morcame's father is keen on an Inquest as they think it was one of the suspects already interviewed and not charged. That was the case with Daniel. Bret Cowan was originally cleared. It was only when the evidence came up again in the Inquest cops designed the sting to get him.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Q2? Dunno know.
Could be Luc Longley's brother?
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...r-a-convicted-paedophile-20150923-gjt9wb.html


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Uncle - says so in the article

Edit: sorry for repeating this! I should really read all the way until the end before commenting!!!! [emoji317][emoji851]
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[Innerchild]

"How was he able to find the discovery site on his motorbike, assuming anyone can go riding through the Explosive's Facility, when it is very confusing where the actual site is?"


Maybe he just found the cross on roadside .
I can remember a sleuther saying this years ago, they mentioned it possibly a few times .
The name was different perhaps it was #parkie & i think PCS is the same sleuth.
I can remember it well, its in blogs yrs ago
They said were motorcross biking .

Link to picture source.
https://goo.gl/images/X7LNxD

Crosses weren't just by road, you had to enter the pine plantation and that would have been enough of a maze, but discovery site was not on even on the small track leading off the bigger tracks.

If this is GR's father he looks a lot older. Your link is behind a paywall. Do you know what year this was taken. Anyway not trees left now at the location, but I thought I may have seen a cross in the circle on the 2017 Google image.

I think whoever took their motorbike there must have been told where to look.

Not the same. Refer to copycat movie. My thoughts and opinions only.

 

[meticulously]

Crosses weren't just by road, you had to enter the pine plantation and that would have been enough of a maze, but discovery site was not on even on the small track leading off the bigger tracks.

If this is GR's father he looks a lot older. Your link is behind a paywall. Do you know what year this was taken. Anyway not trees left now at the location, but I thought I may have seen a cross in the circle on the 2017 Google image.

I think whoever took their motorbike there must have been told where to look.

Not the same. Refer to copycat movie. My thoughts and opinions only.

Copycat movie or tigermoth ?

 

[meticulously]

Yes I do mean North East corner. I'm getting myself confused. It has to be because of the geographic landmarks. Tree and pole and not the same in your 2017 images as in 1997.

I thought anyone coming out of the limestone track leading from Stakehill and Baldivis might be in view of camera. However looking at your images the camera only seem to be on the access road to the facility and view to the limestone track would be blocked by pine trees, as you said.

However I wouldn't be surprised if they have something on camera. Why would you ask about the white ute, unless someone else in side the pine plantation explosives faculty saw one.

I think Morcame's father is keen on an Inquest as they think it was one of the suspects already interviewed and not charged. That was the case with Daniel. Bret Cowan was originally cleared. It was only when the evidence came up again in the Inquest cops designed the sting to get him.

Here is a compass to help those who get confused by the direction of the compass.
Hopefully IC & PD can eventually work it out LoL ...
https://goo.gl/images/a3Ufrk

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Here is a compass to help those who get confused by the direction of the compass.
Hopefully IC & PD can eventually work it out LoL ...
https://goo.gl/images/a3Ufrk

Bahahahaha


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[petedavo.au]

Holy sh** you come up with some amazing cr**! It was his uncle, not brother! Never heard of it before! However just my rusty memory Q1 was a female complainant and Q2 respected male footballer. Nothing to do with GR or any of the current cases IMO.

Then how come the Royal Commission was questioning Sgt Miller who was working on Operation Shoalwater about the decision that Capon took in regards to not charging Q2?

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[Innerchild]

Here is a compass to help those who get confused by the direction of the compass.
Hopefully IC & PD can eventually work it out LoL ...
https://goo.gl/images/a3Ufrk

No help here metic. As you can see the north east corner is in the south west direction of this image! LOL.

PD and I have been orientating the corners of the Baldivis Ammunition Facility to match the crime scene photo of the corner of the Facility in 1997. It is in the north east. I wasn't helped by one of the pine plantation images taken in 1997 and reprinted in newspapers in Jan 2017 was showing the NE corner in the SW orientation by your compass.

Sure you can work it out. Have you been to GR's discovery site? What was that pole on the NE corner in the 1997 image? I wonder if they captured an image of a ute a few days before his body was discovered?

 

[Innerchild]

Then how come the Royal Commission was questioning Sgt Miller who was working on Operation Shoalwater about the decision that Capon took in regards to not charging Q2?

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In the Royal Commission document posted by Bohemian which I quoted from was questioning Inspector Brandham, not Miller.

In establishing Branham's area of responsibility (for questioning on Q 1 and Q 2 which was the focus of the RC), they asked questions relating to Brandhams being in command of Shoalwater, then his responsibility for managing the child sexual abuse unit. In answering these questions Brandham confirmed GR's investigation was referred to the child sexual abuse unit.

The RC was about what Caporn had asked Brandham to do with regards Q 1 and Q 2 and Caporn's responsibility for killing off the arrest of Q2. Unless we're reading different reports, Q1 and Q2 had nothing to do with GR.

I know you are a busy person, as I am and I don't have time from reading in much detail, or posting random yes's, good question's or LOL's, but that was from my brief reading of this document.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13704292

Well, perhaps we should take up the story at the time of your - - I think your addition to the Shoalwater - - Operation Shoalwater?---Yep. That occurred in 1998?---It did, yes. About what month?---About May, from recollection. I was working with Mr Kucera at the Metropolitan - - Metropolitan Regional Office as his crime coordinator, and I was told that I was to go down and - - and assume command of the Shoalwater Taskforce which was investigating the murder of Gerard Ross. And you were to replace Detective Sergeant Miller, I think?--- Detective Senior Sergeant Miller, yes. And he at that point returned to Child Abuse Unit?---Yes, he did. And you assumed operational command, was it, of that Operation Shoalwater?---Yes. That lasted for how long?---I remained operational commander through till the inquiry returned to Perth, basically, which was through till the December, but in - - in September of that year I was assigned other responsibilities as an acting divisional officer at the Personal Crime Division, and I assumed management, I guess, of the Sexual Assault Squad and the Child Abuse Unit. The Gerard Ross murder inquiry was seen as child abuse related, I think?---Yes. Which explains why Detective Senior Sergeant Miller was assigned to it for a period?---I don't know why Senior Sergeant Miller was assigned to it, but yes; it was obviously child abuse-related.

 

[Innerchild]

Holy sh** you come up with some amazing cr**! It was his uncle, not brother! Never heard of it before! However just my rusty memory Q1 was a female complainant and Q2 respected male footballer. Nothing to do with GR or any of the current cases IMO.

PD I usually never swear and I meant this in the nicest possible way. You always amaze me in coming up with research, blogs and information I've never about and mostly happens to be important when you posted.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

PD I usually never swear and I meant this in the nicest possible way. You always amaze me in coming up with research, blogs and information I've never about and mostly happens to be important when you posted.

Agree with you IC!
Wonders will never cease!
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[elastic]

After reading the most recent Gerard Ross article one thing stood out..

http://amp.watoday.com.au/wa-news/w...lers-are-still-out-there-20170922-gyn884.html

In the article Mark McGowen mentions hearing and knowing a story that was spread around in some circles about what may have happened to Gerard Ross

'I did hear a story and I did pass it onto police'

At the time of Gerard's murder, Mr McGowan was living in the Rockingham suburb of Safety Bay.

He'd been in State Parliament for less than a year after being elected to the seat of Rockingham in December 1996.

In an interview with WAtoday, Mr McGowan revealed how he received information about Gerard's murder, which he had cause to pass onto detectives investigating the case at the time.

Mr McGowan said about 18 months after Gerard's body was found, a "version of events" about what may have happened to the youngster was passed onto him by a local constituent.

"I did hear a story and I did pass it onto the police," Mr McGowan said.

"It was about some fellow.

"It was a version of events, a story given to me by a constituent and I then passed it onto the police.

"They did follow up the story that I had heard.

"They (the police) rang me back to say that they followed it up."

Mr McGowan said the atmosphere in the town at the time of Gerard's murder was a mixture of shock and fear.

"My recollection was there was a bit of shock something like that could happen in Rockingham," he said.

"There was a bit of fear and sadness.

"It was traumatic."

Does anyone know this exact story? And could advances in DNA warrant a more thorough review/reinvestigation of this particular lead.

What is a shock is that last year the Police made a point when being interviewed at the press conference that they werent prepared to mention anything relating to dog hair? Why ? And where is this hair now? surely if DNA can be detected in the most tiny of samples, and in a world where we can detect things like familial DNA etc why is it so hard to get a conclusive answer on the possible dog type/colour? Etc.

I am particularly interested in McGowens story about what he knows though and what he was told, it is bizarre that they dont make any reference to whether the story was about the guy with model Aeroplanes, or the dog hair, and or the guy from Newman that knew the family? Could it be another story the public is not allowed to know about because it is the main investigative lead the Police have? Who lived in Rockingham during the murder and was anyone connected to the political inner circle there and has inside knowledge of Mark McGowens story which was passed onto him by a constituent?

 

[petedavo.au]

Some of the many articles about Allan Keith Huggins of Rockingham

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2005/01/26&id=Ar04900&sk=4AC32214

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/10/18&id=Ar00603&sk=58EC62AD

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/08/28&id=Ar01601&sk=86C15CD4

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/09/06&id=Ar03601&sk=C92F0DC2

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/08/31&id=Ar02602&sk=F08C6D0F

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2015/09/12&id=Ar02903&sk=EBA36826

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2015/02/10&id=Ar00602&sk=D6513123

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2015/01/28&id=Ar00900&sk=3ABF04B3

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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...r-so-long-ng-2e9354889dca86a510f1555f2de7cc42

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Some of the many articles about Allan Keith Huggins of Rockingham

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2005/01/26&id=Ar04900&sk=4AC32214

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/10/18&id=Ar00603&sk=58EC62AD

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/08/28&id=Ar01601&sk=86C15CD4

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/09/06&id=Ar03601&sk=C92F0DC2

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2013/08/31&id=Ar02602&sk=F08C6D0F

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2015/09/12&id=Ar02903&sk=EBA36826

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2015/02/10&id=Ar00602&sk=D6513123

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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2015/01/28&id=Ar00900&sk=3ABF04B3

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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...r-so-long-ng-2e9354889dca86a510f1555f2de7cc42

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Interesting how Huggins surname matches his paedophilic preferences!
HUG-ins!


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[Bohemian]

Interesting how Huggins surname matches his paedophilic preferences!
HUG-ins!


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Ugh! Just looking at him turns my stomach.