Australia Australia - Janine Vaughan, 31, Bathurst, NSW, 7 Dec 2001

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Episode 7: The Cops

A local woman’s evidence was dramatic and deeply disturbing - she was adamant that she saw Janine with her hands bound with baling twine and a look of grave distress on her face while in a small red car being driven by the town’s top cop. The woman had remained silent for four and a half years but when she saw a photo of Janine in the newspaper she came forward. At the same time investigators were having another look at the police officer because of anonymous tip-offs, and then the discovery that he had arrived back in Bathurst before Janine disappeared, contrary to his earlier evidence that he was away visiting his mother. The fallout from the revelations contributed to the crippling of the murder investigation and still affects it now despite explanations of what at first appeared sinister and a cover-up.

Just out now & it's a long one 1 hr 24 mins .............off to listen
I am a bit behind just doing a quick run over the comments here.
Not up to speed yet to know all this in context however doesn't this woman appearing out of the woodwork 4+ years later with such incredible evidence sound a little similar to the resident suddenly coming forward a few years later to say a speeding car came round the corner with william tyrell standing up in the back......:confused::confused:

I mean seriously.....that kind of information in a missing persons case is not sit on your hands and see stuff.....o_O
Not all that believable to me.
Think what might happen a lot in little country towns a little projection here and there at the bar, over coffee etc a little bit more and suddenly someone has been telling a story too many times to too many people for it just to dissolve into the rubbish that it is.

That likely is an unreasonable judgement on my part having not heard her version.
JUST SAYIN..... sounds familiar...:rolleyes:

moo
 
  • #262
I think there are just 2 more episodes left , but I highly recommend subscribing.

There is also a Q & A coming up for subscribers

Q&A: Investigating a cold case | The Australian Plus

The Australian’s latest true-crime series The Night Driver by award-winning investigative journalist Hedley Thomas went straight to number one on the Apple podcast chart.

In this exclusive subscriber-only online Q&A moderated by NSW editor Steve Jackson, Hedley and special guests will take you behind-the-scenes of the investigation into the disappearance of Janine Vaughan 19 years ago. Hear intimate accounts of the fight to uncover the truth and insights into the latest developments.

Exclusive subscriber-only online event

Tuesday 29 September, 7pm
I simply couldn't resist any longer .... just subscribed for the digital version :rolleyes:
 
  • #263
Take aways for EP 5.


Alot ties in with Dennis. But thats hard to say it is because he did indeed kill her or he is mentally disturbed enough to inject himself into the situation because he enjoys fantasizing about being with her.
He could quite easily sell his car, change his looks, get his friend to touch all over the car before he sells it as a way of injecting himself into the narrative. 'Acting' suspect.
What a travesty it would be if turned out Dennis was telling the truth....he did kill her and got away with it.

There is too much injection of himself whether deliberate or back tracking to let him off the hook.

The bit I found interesting was BH also eliminating Dennis in his opinion. That actually frees up eyes back toward him. Which for me, is a positive that BH isnt involved.


puzzle.....I am close to signing up too! :D
 
  • #264
I simply couldn't resist any longer .... just subscribed for the digital version :rolleyes:
Yay Happy listening :) Let me know when you are caught up :D
 
  • #265
I caved yesterday and bought a subscription. I’m all caught up now. I was disappointed to find out today that there are a limited number of episodes planned though. I don’t really feel like I have enough information so far to make any strong judgments. I feel like there is still so much more that could be explored in depth in upcoming episodes.
 
  • #266
I think the whole PIC inquiry made this case much worse & seems to have got the town of Bathurst residents so fixated on BH , to a detriment to the case & the initial investigations & may have stopped people coming forward with info........

Here is the inquiry looking at the PIC findings.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/t...IC-Special-Report-re-DI-Jacob-and-DSC-Sim.pdf

OVERVIEW

1) The disappearance, and suspected murder, of Janine Vaughan, 31 years of age, and a resident of Bathurst, NSW, at the time, remains an unsolved crime. She was last seen entering a motor vehicle at approximately 4 am on 7 December 2001, after leaving a nearby nightclub in Bathurst with a group of friends. Neither the motor vehicle nor the driver thereof has ever been identified. OVERVIEW

2)The crime was investigated by a NSW Police Task Force, “Toko”, set up for that purpose, headed by Detective Inspector Jacob, an experienced and highly regarded police officer based in Sydney.

3)Initially, and for a brief period, that Task Force had included Detective Sergeant Hosemans, according to the evidence a competent police officer, who was also at the time the Deputy-Mayor of Bathurst.

4)That dual role, coupled with the fact he had been acquitted in July 2002 by a Local Court of charges arising out of an apparently drunken gathering at a local golf club, and that, according to the evidence, he was unmarried, and apparently involved in personal relationships from time to time with a number of the town’s female residents, gave rise to a great deal of rumour and innuendo concerning his alleged relationship with the missing woman.

5)Because of that rumour and innuendo, his high-profile in the Bathurst community, and the fact he was a police officer, Hosemans became the subject of a distracting and time-consuming investigation by the Task Force. That investigation concluded that, despite the rumours and innuendo to the contrary, he had never had any contact of any kind with the missing woman and was not implicated in any way in her disappearance.

6)The Task Force’s conclusions, apparently, were not sufficient to quell the local gossip concerning Mr Hosemans and the missing woman, which was still rife when the PIC arrived on the scene some years later.

7)Although he was eventually acquitted of the charges relating to the golf club incident by a Local Court, DS Hosemans was later dismissed from NSW Police apparently as a result, at least in part, of the widespread publicity given to the incident by local newspapers.

8)In 2005, some two years after the police investigation into the disappearance of the woman had been suspended due to lack of fresh evidence, an anonymous allegation was received by NSW Police alleging that the former DS Hosemans had, in effect, abducted and, by implication, murdered the missing woman.

9)The anonymous allegation was referred by NSWP to DI Jacob who assessed it as having come from the same source as prior anonymous allegations, couched as it was, in similar style and content in respect of DS Hosemans, which had been investigated by Professional Standards Command (NSW Police) and found to be without foundation.
 
  • #267
I also think it’s most probable that Hosemans is innocent, but there is one thing I can’t reconcile. I can’t find a reasonable explanation for the evidence that has gone missing from the police’s possession (knife, work diary etc). This just doesn’t make sense to me. There was a potential murder weapon which could have easily cracked the whole case, it’s not like they are missing something obscure like an empty bottle from near where Janine disappeared. How on earth did they discard that?

Come to think of it, Hedley didn’t address this is relation to evidence against Hosemans at all. I’m finding the podcast to be a little bit biased to be honest. There’s no evidence proving or disproving the involvement of any POIs, but Hedley has definitively conveyed that certain POIs are not involved at all.
 
  • #268
Have they checked out the women connected with Hosemans? The one who said he was with her, that would only work if she wasn't known to have been elsewhere, so she wouldn't have had an alibi otherwise herself.

I have a feeling that an intruder stalker is likely to be someone different from a stalker who writes letters and telephones. It just seems like a different motivation and sophistication.

I'm kind of listening-disabled so I'm not attempting the podcasts. I hope you'll excuse me posting from a place of ignorance.
 
  • #269
Have they checked out the women connected with Hosemans? The one who said he was with her, that would only work if she wasn't known to have been elsewhere, so she wouldn't have had an alibi otherwise herself.

I have a feeling that an intruder stalker is likely to be someone different from a stalker who writes letters and telephones. It just seems like a different motivation and sophistication.

I'm kind of listening-disabled so I'm not attempting the podcasts. I hope you'll excuse me posting from a place of ignorance.

I would love to have you contribute even if you haven’t listened. Let us know if you want us to explain anything we are talking about from the podcasts.

That’s another great point. Why did the woman (Stephanie Young, I think?) say she was with him when it was proven she wasn’t? It looks like a terrible cover up, which I just can’t explain if Hosemans is as innocent as he says he is. However, I do still think it may not have been him.
 
  • #270
I would love to have you contribute even if you haven’t listened. Let us know if you want us to explain anything we are talking about from the podcasts.

That’s another great point. Why did the woman (Stephanie Young, I think?) say she was with him when it was proven she wasn’t? It looks like a terrible cover up, which I just can’t explain if Hosemans is as innocent as he says he is. However, I do still think it may not have been him.
I would say because it creates a debt. She consolidates herself in the role of his loyal supporter and rescuer. I wouldn't put it past her to also write the accusatory letters to hopefully make him weak and in need of her.

And thank you for the welcome.
 
  • #271
I would say because it creates a debt. She consolidates herself in the role of his loyal supporter and rescuer. I wouldn't put it past her to also write the accusatory letters to hopefully make him weak and in need of her.

And thank you for the welcome.

That’s a good point. She does come across as someone who could potentially be obsessed with him. The only other anomaly I have with Hosemans is the changing alibi. This was addressed by Hedley and it was explained that his mother mistakenly made him believe he wasn’t in Bathurst. That sounds plausible on its own, but coupled with the missing evidence and Stephanie Young’s botched evidence, there is a lot against Hosemans besides the Bathurst rumour mill. Again, just to be clear, I don’t think it was Hosemans, but I would like to hear what others think about these points and how they reconcile them though.
 
  • #272
That’s a good point. She does come across as someone who could potentially be obsessed with him. The only other anomaly I have with Hosemans is the changing alibi. This was addressed by Hedley and it was explained that his mother mistakenly made him believe he wasn’t in Bathurst. That sounds plausible on its own, but coupled with the missing evidence and Stephanie Young’s botched evidence, there is a lot against Hosemans besides the Bathurst rumour mill. Again, just to be clear, I don’t think it was Hosemans, but I would like to hear what others think about these points and how they reconcile them though.

I agree. How in the hell could he not know where he was :rolleyes: Why did he need his mother to tell him where he was?. This was a huge event in Bathurst & he was a cop working the case!

Him being in Bathurst certainly doesn't make him a murderer. I really don't know what he was thinking :rolleyes:

I don't believe he was involved, but he sure gave them reason to believe he was.

I discussed this with Hedley the other day.
 
  • #273
I would love to have you contribute even if you haven’t listened. Let us know if you want us to explain anything we are talking about from the podcasts.

That’s another great point. Why did the woman (Stephanie Young, I think?) say she was with him when it was proven she wasn’t? It looks like a terrible cover up, which I just can’t explain if Hosemans is as innocent as he says he is. However, I do still think it may not have been him.

SY as also the women involved in the stalking of another lady too , along with her side kick :eek:
 
  • #274
If they just identify the car, I think this case will go along way to being solved
 
  • #275
If they just identify the car, I think this case will go along way to being solved
The CCTV footage you said a professor was examining, is that the car that picked up Janine, or just a maybe?
 
  • #276
The CCTV footage you said a professor was examining, is that the car that picked up Janine, or just a maybe?
yes, well I'm pretty sure it is ;)
 
  • #277
I agree. How in the hell could he not know where he was :rolleyes: Why did he need his mother to tell him where he was?. This was a huge event in Bathurst & he was a cop working the case!

Him being in Bathurst certainly doesn't make him a murderer. I really don't know what he was thinking :rolleyes:

I don't believe he was involved, but he sure gave them reason to believe he was.

I discussed this with Hedley the other day.

It does sound like he could have went to great lengths to take the deflection off him and this could have involved lying, but I agree, it doesn’t make him a murderer. That’s great that you have talked to Hedley. Would be fantastic to have some inside input.

SY as also the women involved in the stalking of another lady too , along with her side kick :eek:

Hmm so that points to some questionable and obsessional behaviour, for sure. Hosemans would have had a much better chance if she had stayed out of it!
 
  • #278
It does sound like he could have went to great lengths to take the deflection off him and this could have involved lying, but I agree, it doesn’t make him a murderer. That’s great that you have talked to Hedley. Would be fantastic to have some inside input.



Hmm so that points to some questionable and obsessional behaviour, for sure. Hosemans would have had a much better chance if she had stayed out of it!

Yes he would have. I don't have any inside input from Hedley, all public ;)
 
  • #279
I want to know what happened to the Ed Harry book. Way back when it happened it was called the "Visitor" book or the Incident book where the staff wrote down things that they were concerned about.
I seem to recall that Janine was said to have written about Brad Hosemans in it. Not sure if she wrote about any other customers.
I imagine the book no longer exists. Maybe it went the way of the knife which was never spoken of again, and I remember looking in the Western Advocate every day waiting for the knife to be ruled in or out, but nothing....just silence.
 
  • #280
I want to know what happened to the Ed Harry book. Way back when it happened it was called the "Visitor" book or the Incident book where the staff wrote down things that they were concerned about.
I seem to recall that Janine was said to have written about Brad Hosemans in it. Not sure if she wrote about any other customers.
I imagine the book no longer exists. Maybe it went the way of the knife which was never spoken of again, and I remember looking in the Western Advocate every day waiting for the knife to be ruled in or out, but nothing....just silence.
That's in a episode 7 tootsie. Hedley mentioned in a post on the f/b page The Night Driver that it is unclear what happened to the diary ( well no 100% facts anyway ) Janines work matesaid he gave it to the cops, the cops have no record of receiving it :rolleyes:

Can we discuss what is said on the official The Night Driver Podacast page anyone know??? It is by The Australian but it is a closed group.............
 

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