GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

[they'll get you]

Just imagine the terrible inner gut wrenching feeling.

I bet he's wishing he hadn't fallen asleep and is more than likely beating himself up badly for this and for missing out the opportunity of joining her. Not to say that he would have necessarily gone out at the time to the pub because the last thing you would do is think that something would go this badly wrong.

Still... : (

Ok my error, there was a text message to meet together. Now making better sense.

 

[DrWatson]

<modsnip>
The bottom line is that reality will overcome idealism.

You can make something illegal - but it won't stop people doing it.

<modsnip>

 

[MoonFlwr]

I really hope that's tongue-in-cheek humour. Are you from Australia Dr Watson? There's a movement against that assumption + rape in Aus.

I find your comment appalling - particularly as I have a teenage daughter who has a sensational figure, wears firm fitting clothes (half her luck).

Political correctness aside - people should still be mindful of dressing sexily and walking alone. Not saying it is right - just that it is a factor and that that one person who might attack you because you look appealing and vulnerable is out there somewhere.
Not saying don't dress up - just saying - be cautious of those who could take advantage...and, perhaps, take that cab home or the offer of company on the walk home.

 

[theowlsgo]

Sounds to me that she had had a few and was adamant that she would be fine (yes yes my interpretation lol) He may have got a cab and left in the opposite direction.

Yep, that could be true, but it may also be that it was such a normal thing for her to walk home alone so she didn't give it a second thought. She obviously felt safe to walk home alone at that hour, makes me think that she has probably done it before and felt fine about it. JMO

 

[GutFeeling!]

Just imagine the terrible inner gut wrenching feeling.

I bet he's wishing he hadn't fallen asleep and is more than likely beating himself up badly for this and for missing out the opportunity of joining her. Not to say that he would have necessarily gone out at the time to the pub because the last thing you would do is think that something would go this badly wrong.

Still... : (

Add to that the fact that he now knows that just 45 minutes after he saw that text she was talking to her brother. He must have a million what ifs ... what if I hadn't fallen asleep, what if I called at 1am, what if I went down to the pub (just 5 minutes away) at 1am ...... poor man - my heart goes out to him.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

When I googled Jillian Meagher and Bag, I got some results that said some of her belongings had been found 1km away but when I looked at the article/s the heading had changed and there was no mention of anything being found 1km away.

:moo:

 

[nursebeeme]

mod note(s)

1) knock off the snark
2) do not post links that show up as ********. If you see this in a link that link has been unapproved for discussion and posting at websleuths.
3) until and unless the husband has been named a person of interest in this case do not speculate about him. We are a victim friendly forum and until or unless something changes he is considered a victim.

 

[marlywings]

Updated 15 minutes ago

Detective Inspector John Potter says Ms Meagher was not in fear of her life when she made the call.

He says she was expressing her worry to her brother about their ill father, who had a stroke a couple of weeks ago.

"I think there's been a bit of confusion over that phone call," the homicide squad's Detective Potter said.

"We've spoken to the brother certainly and the subject of their discussion was over the health of their father, who I understand is in poor health."

Detective Potter says there is nothing to suggest Ms Meagher was unhappy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-...tinues-in-abc-worker27s-disappearance/4278440

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Thanks Marly, I was just about to post this.


:moo:

 

[Blue Bottle]

It might be a concern or it might not but its odd to me. Maybe I was raised differently to you, we were taught to make sure people get home safely, whether thats escorting them personally or watching them walking from a distance.

No, I was raised to help and make sure everyone got home safely. However, in this day and age of so called 'rights' one can find themselves in some awful trouble if one forces oneself on another person (even if it's just to help out). There are plenty stories of people who have tried to help only to find themselves at the end of stalking charges or worse.

I'm a female and I had a situation a few years ago where I was driving a very good male friend home early hours of the morning. He was as drunk as a skunk and suddenly he wanted to get out and walk the rest of the way and I said nope, I'm driving you all the way home.

In his drunken state he told me that what I'm doing is classed as kidnapping because I'm forcing him to stay in my ute against his will and that if I didn't stop he would jump out. To make matters worse, he was opening the door as he was saying this getting ready to jump out as I was driving. I had no choice but to stop and let him go. It put me in a really bad situation, though he did apologise later.

We don't know exactly what was said between them, Jill may have just taken off and left him standing there not knowing exactly where she went to.

I would think that he would be feeling awful at this stage and laying 'blame' on him just because he didn't force her to accept his help I'm not sure is of any benefit. In all honesty, my sympathies go along with him and how he must be feeling about this.

 

[nursebeeme]

On air in Melbourne, ABC Local Radio's Jon Faine spoke about his missing colleague.

JON FAINE: She's worked with us for at least I think about 18 months or so. She's from Ireland, she speaks with a broad Irish accent, she's got classic pearly skin, she's got long, wavy, dark hair. She's got a lovely flashing smile and sparkly eyes. And she's vanished. She's just vanished.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2012/s3596895.htm

 

[GutFeeling!]

<modsnip>
The bottom line is that reality will overcome idealism.

You can make something illegal - but it won't stop people doing it.

<modsnip>

<modsnip> This is a discussion about a missing woman - she is in a different country than your own - yes things are different. I had been explaining to my countrymen the differences between our countries - I would have hoped that you would have at least tried to understand that too.

<modsnip>- there is nothing idealistic about peoples beliefs. Yes you can make anything illegal and it will still be done - that has nothing to do with anything said. Our outlooks are very different - as much as you preach it is idealistic, to others it is very real and doable - and it is.

You can bet your sweet bippee that this story is NATIONAL news in Australia - why? Because it just doesn't happen that often. Compare that to America's missing people and you just couldn't report everyone that went missing in the last 3 days - unless you had a cable station that did nothing else built report missing persons because it happens all the time here.

 

[J-Diggety]

<modsnip>
Id love to think young Jill is somewhere safe.

Godspeed young lass

 

[Amee]

How disappointing - taking your bat and ball and going home because of cultural differences. This is a discussion about a missing woman - she is in a different country than your own - yes things are different. I had been explaining to my countrymen the differences between our countries - I would have hoped that you would have at least tried to understand that too.

Don't pull the idealism crap though - there is nothing idealistic about peoples beliefs. Yes you can make anything illegal and it will still be done - that has nothing to do with anything said. Our outlooks are very different - as much as you preach it is idealistic, to others it is very real and doable - and it is.

You can bet your sweet bippee that this story is NATIONAL news in Australia - why? Because it just doesn't happen that often. Compare that to America's missing people and you just couldn't report everyone that went missing in the last 3 days - unless you had a cable station that did nothing else built report missing persons because it happens all the time here.

I dont understand why you keep bringing up the Aussie v's American stuff.
Dr Watson is an Aussie Dr

 

[MoonFlwr]

let's agree to disagree.

You can accept that women should be burned at the stake for dressing as they choose,<modsnip>

lol! ......

 

[GutFeeling!]

I dont understand why you keep bringing up the Aussie v's American stuff.
Dr Watson is an Aussie Dr

Well I was wrong then - we just think different


Sorry Nursebeme for other comments you had to snip :seeya:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I wonder if he waited because he was under the common misconception that you have to wait a certain period of time before making a missing person's report.

On the other issue of going out without her husband, going out for Friday night drinks with work colleagues without your spouse is very very common here, particularly for 25-35 years olds. I do it all the time and no one would ever bring their spouse.

That part of Brunswick has a lot of factories and warehouses. I hope they are being searched thoroughly. I'm sure there'd be a few vacant ones.

It's very possible as a lot of people think you have to wait 24 hours before reporting somebody as missing.

your mention of factories and warehouses and some of them being vacant makes me think of the woman whose car Jills handbag was found beside. The news article on the herald sun site said that woman lived above a vacant shop, I'm concerned that was reported.

 

[nursebeeme]

homicide squad has taken over investigation:

The bag held Mrs Meagher's personal identification, but police were unable to say whether it contained her mobile phone, which is switched off.

Police said this afternoon that they had also found a pair of shoes near Victoria Street and Ovens Street in Brunswick, about 200 metres south of where Mrs Meagher's handbag was found.

Detectives are now investigating whether the shoes could be the missing woman&#8217;s and linked to her disappearance.

Detective Inspector John Potter, from the homicide squad, said he feared Mrs Meagher, who works as a unit co-ordinator at ABC Radio in Melbourne, had met with foul play.

"We haven&#8217;t found anything physical [to suggest violence] but the very circumstances of the case are worrying, so as a result of that, today the homicide squad missing person's unit have taken over the case. We're hopeful for the best obviously, but we have some concerns that she may have met with foul play," he said.

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/me...akes-over-hunt-for-missing-woman/2625348.aspx

 

[J-Diggety]

Soz Mods, too much work for you tonight.

So the handbag seems large plus an odd spot to find it.

The phone calls seem consistent with how couples are these days at this age, Ive had similar nights before, late and separated without too much concern

 

[nursebeeme]

&#8220;At midday he got really worried because her phone had turned off and started going straight to message. He called all her friends before calling the police.

&#8220;She usually lets everyone know what she&#8217;s doing, she&#8217;s never done anything like this before.

&#8220;She wasn&#8217;t drunk because her co-workers said she was fine when she left. One of her friends offered to walk her home but she said she was just 10 minutes away.&#8221;

ABC Radio colleague Tom Wright told the paper that he was the last person to see Jill and had offered to walk her home.

He confirmed: &#8220;I said, &#8216;can I walk you home?&#8217;, because it&#8217;s late at night, and she said: &#8216;no, no, I live around here, I know it really well, don&#8217;t worry&#8217;.

&#8220;There was nothing to suggest disappearing as abruptly as she did.&#8221;

Jill&#8217;s family moved between Ireland and Australia when she was a child.

She has lived in Melbourne since 2009, working at ABC Radio, and her parents live in Perth.



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Ho...ing-in-Australia-170958931.html#ixzz27OFiQcPP

it sounds as if his calls were perhaps able to get thru at first until mid day (when they started to go to vm)

Hopefully they will be able to ping the phone as it seems it possibly could have been on. (based on how this article is worded, that is)