GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #5

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I do wonder where their paths crossed, poor Jill. Also, what did he do for the hours that he went home??

Can you imagine being a good samaritan, and stopping to help this guy get some petrol only to find out later that he was a sadistic killer and was returning from burying Jill's body? I feel really sorry for the guy. You'd feel ill.

My concern with the footage at the petrol station (1.05min) is that I believe that AB drove a white car and this footage seems to show a different car. I hope its not Dayle (the good samaritans) car, I'd personally hate my car to be visible to the masses.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-12/meagher-accused-killer-pleads-guilty-to-rape/4568432

Jill obviously had no idea her life would take such a tragic and terrifying turn during the walk home, I just wonder if he did? Was his intent that night to find a woman to assault and murder or was this crime purely opportunistic?

Can you imagine being his partner and seeing the cctv footage when it was released and realising it was your partner? How awful!

How did he pick the spot to bury her? Did he know the area? Did he google map it to find a secluded spot? Why keep the sim card or the pencil? Trophies? How stupid to carelessly keep items that put you at the scene with the victim? He 'disposes' of Jill, but not her items.

He was never going to get away with this.
 
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Heart goes out to Tom, George, Edith and Michael as well as the many others in the court who knew and loved Jill, watching the footage of them outside.

I also feel for the accussed's partner. Oftentimes it seems like the ones nearest the perps do not do the right thing even when the victim is close to them. Sounds like she did the right thing by Jill. I hope she has a lot of support to try and put her life together and move on also.

I can't get over the running out of petrol and relying on the kindness of a stranger to get him out of that predicament ... the irony of that.
 
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ba...313-2fzhq.html
Bayley argued with girlfriend before raping, strangling Jill, Court told by Mark Russell, March 13, 2013, 12:42PM.
The Melbourne Magistrates Court registry released the photographs after Deputy Chief Magistrate Felicity Broughton agreed to allow media access to the police brief of evidence against Adrian Ernest Bayley... Police photographs related to the rape and murder case, included a shovel and Jill's broken Vodafone simcard found at her alleged killer's home, were released.
Three of the photo books and the autopsy report were not allowed to be released because Ms Broughton said they were "very sensitive and very distressing".
We stand together with Jill's husband, Tom, her mother & father, brother and relatives; work colleagues, etc, united in our abhorrence for this heinous crime and its perpetrator. Justice for Jill is on its way. The accused has been committed to stand trial for the rape and murder of Jill.
If found guilty, then along with others, I suggest 'Never To Be Released' should be the sentance marked on his file. IMO.
 
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wrong thread sorry!
 
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Hamish Fitzsimmons ‏@hamishfitz
Adrian Bayley pleaded guilty to one count of rape. Not guilty to two charges of rape & not guilty to murder. Hearing in Supreme Court on 25/03
 
  • #608
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-...rief-of-evidence/story-fnat79vb-1226595956235

Reposting this link above as it is a heartbreaking read filled with interesting facts/timeline.

After reading this I am not sure the girlfriend turned him in, as she was going to talk to AB about Jill's vodaphone sim card.

Also thinking back to the bridal footage where the fellow seems to look back at something, in my opinion he must have witnessed AB running up to Jill, and I think saw him catch up with her and that is when they first spoke.... He obviously had a brief moment of thinking something was strange.
 
  • #609
Forgive me for being quite frank here, but three counts of rape does not necessarily mean he ejaculated on three occasions. That part of the body will leave DNA behind pretty much regardless of how long it is there for.

Once again, apologies for the blunt language.
 
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[Bayley’s partner] also told police that Bayley claimed to have been in a fight on the night of Friday September 21.
"He had a bruise over the bridge of his nose," she said.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pho...rief-of-evidence/story-e6frg12c-1226595956235

So there was a struggle and Jill fought back somehow. We'll never know the details as they're suppressed. It is my firm opinion that these details should be released. It serves the public a disservice to hide these details, as the full impact of this tragedy will be forgotten in a few months- that should not happen, for there are more Bayley's out there waiting in the shadows. And we need not forget Sarah Cafferkey who was murdered a mere 49 days after Jill by a man with a similar history to Bayley. We don't need to re-learn these lessons. The details need to be released so that we never forget. I still can't believe the media have access- to some more details than we the public- but no one gets the full facts, the public has not got enough sustained outrage for policy changes. <modsnip>.

RELEASE THE FULL DETAILS OF THE CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Mr Meagher told police he received an SMS from his wife just before 10pm inviting him to her work drinks, but he had been asleep on the couch at the time.

Police were told Mr Meagher saw the SMS at 1:37am the following morning, prompting him to ring her straight away. After reaching her voicemail, he sent his wife an SMS asking if she was okay but received no reply.


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breakin...-to-walk-streets-at-night/20130313-2fztl.html



My thoughts are with Tom. I cannot even begin to imagine what he has thought since that night. Noone deserves to be put through what Jill, Tom and their families have been through.
 
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[Bayley’s partner] also told police that Bayley claimed to have been in a fight on the night of Friday September 21.
"He had a bruise over the bridge of his nose," she said.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pho...rief-of-evidence/story-e6frg12c-1226595956235

So there was a struggle and Jill fought back somehow. We'll never know the details as they're suppressed. It is my firm opinion that these details should be released. It serves the public a disservice to hide these details, as the full impact of this tragedy will be forgotten in a few months- that should not happen, for there are more Bayley's out there waiting in the shadows. And we need not forget Sarah Cafferkey who was murdered a mere 49 days after Jill by a man with a similar history to Bayley. We don't need to re-learn these lessons. The details need to be released so that we never forget. I still can't believe the media have access- to some more details than we the public- but no one gets the full facts, the public has not got enough sustained outrage for policy changes. <modsnip>

RELEASE THE FULL DETAILS OF THE CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paulie....in many cases a judge issues a suppression order. None of the information contained in that order is made available to the media.
 
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-...rief-of-evidence/story-fnat79vb-1226595956235

After reading this I am not sure the girlfriend turned him in, as she was going to talk to AB about Jill's vodaphone sim card.

I do not trust the prosecution account- it has been doctored for political correctness and public sensitivity. If it were not his girlfriend who dobbed him in, then it was someone else. I am confident it was not the police who identified him without a tip-off. If the police identified him, then why would they release the infamous blue-hoodie footage? It could be for further information, though i discount this as the greatest motive. The police are clueless- the bumbling sergeants ready to help when it's too late. I note that there was an anecdote somewhere in the papers that a young police officer escorted her body back to the morgue. Typical of police, a step behind. And it is at this point that we remember back to this article:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/it-could-have-been-me-20120929-26skp.html
Stacey Scaife’s experience is all too common. The police fobbed her off, a fob-off which cost Jill her life.
 
  • #614
Paulie....in many cases a judge issues a suppression order. None of the information contained in that order is made available to the media.

Yes, there are three classes:
1) the full details: judges and lawyers can know that (does the parole board have access when releasing early?);
2) freedom of information requests by the media and court-released details to the media. But nobody has still answered any of my many inquiries as to whether i can walk up and get the details the media has access to- or whether the court releases details only to accredited media, and they (the capitalists) then decide how to best sensationialise details for newspaper sales- not justice.
3) the commoners like all of us- we get fed the ********, which includes doctored prosecution accounts for convictions and other misdirection.

i don't trust anything i hear from anyone. How do we know some aspects are not made up or withheld for certain impressions? I wouldn't have a clue. It boils down to trust, and i don't trust a system which releases bayley back into society; and that stands for sarah cafferkey's killer, james hunter.
 
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Mr Meagher told police he received an SMS from his wife just before 10pm inviting him to her work drinks, but he had been asleep on the couch at the time.

Police were told Mr Meagher saw the SMS at 1:37am the following morning, prompting him to ring her straight away. After reaching her voicemail, he sent his wife an SMS asking if she was okay but received no reply.


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breakin...-to-walk-streets-at-night/20130313-2fztl.html



My thoughts are with Tom. I cannot even begin to imagine what he has thought since that night. Noone deserves to be put through what Jill, Tom and their families have been through.

yep, this point about the missed sms is tragic.

At 1.37am, he sent her a text message from their home: "Are you okay?"
Court report from Adrian Bayley committal
The Chief Crown prosecutor, Gavin Silbert, SC, told the court it was 1.38am when Bayley "accosted" Ms Meagher and "proceeded to drag her into a laneway on Hope St between Oven St and Sydney Rd, where he has raped and strangled her".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...an-ernest-bayley/story-fnat79vb-1226595139031


the missed sms and the turned-down lift home. the two what-ifs that'll haunt everyone forever.
 
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[Bayley&#8217;s partner] also told police that Bayley claimed to have been in a fight on the night of Friday September 21.
"He had a bruise over the bridge of his nose," she said.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pho...rief-of-evidence/story-e6frg12c-1226595956235

So there was a struggle and Jill fought back somehow. <respectfully snipped>

If the white car was a hatch back Astra, then while he was getting Jill's body out of the boot to bury it, the hatch could have fallen down and hit him on the bridge of the nose IMO.
 
  • #619
Yeah same as I was thinking, but then he would have been charged with interfering with a corpse.. Its so confusing! ehat made those journalists react the way they did when they were shown what happened?!

He put her through more hell than we know while she was alive. I've been feeling sick all day from this.


I may be totally wrong, but was he not charged with that as well?(inteferring with a corpse). I may be getting mixed up if not.
 
  • #620
Is it possible the white astra wasn't his? In the below they discuss picking up his girlfriend and his car the next day, one from Kensington, don't think it said where the other one was.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...rief-of-evidence/story-fnat79vb-1226595956235

You know what else? He was out drinking for so long, I bet he was over the limit when he went and got his car and drove it back to Brunswick too!
:banghead:

This is a good article on how the police tracked him down, the phone did play a large part
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...ew-amid-new-cctv/story-fnat79vb-1226596495389
 
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