GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #5

[algae]

Hard to tell but the receipt looks like it's from the 20th Sep (Thursday before) so not sure why it's evidence

Maybe shows pre-meditation if he was buying chux wipes, washing detergent and gloves before-hand.

 

[Eireann]

EIREANN May we Australians know what "Turris fortis mihi Deus.." means please?

'God is my Tower of Strength'
It is the Latin motto of my surname, Kelly

 

[Scoobysnack]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...values-by-bayley/story-fnat79vb-1226597655513

you just can't make this stuff up. Read this article, it's absolutely ridiculous.

Thank god AB is dumb dumb dumb!!
Leaving so many witnesses, evidence .... thank goodness he is dumb.

 

[ozazure]

Hard to tell but the receipt looks like it's from the 20th Sep (Thursday before) so not sure why it's evidence

Would be to support that the chux belonged to him.

 

[Brightbird]

I agree AB appears dumb, but I think he'd have an average, or low average IQ. I'm going to make some assumptions here. I think perhaps AB lacks insight into the minds, motivations, emotions of others (look up Theory of Mind for a theory of this, one caveat - it has not been strongly linked to psychopathy or personality disorder). If it is true that AB raped the Dutch backpacker (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...-two-other-women/story-fnat79vb-1226590253024) then it seems he actually believed her when she offered to take him back to her house. One way of understanding this is that he was incapable of understanding that her thoughts differed from his own. On a side note, its interesting that in both that case and Jill he used the excuse of trying to help the women.

I think AB has had to try and learn what passes for acceptable social behavior, hence him expressing disgust at violence towards women with his colleagues and the (imo) fake remorse in his police interview. I do think he is horrified that he has been exposed for what he is, but not remorseful if that makes sense. Its also interesting that he said he couldnt imagine how Jill felt (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bayley-police-interview-transcript-20130313-2fzqs.html). I mean I think we can all imagine something of the terror, even if we can't directly experience it. Unfortunately, he also appears to have sadistic tendencies, inability to control his urges, and probably very low self-esteem which triggers his rage. I doubt that he experiences much emotion but is very sensitive to perceived threat. As for leaving so much evidence, I wonder if he was similarly incapable of imagining how the detectives might conduct their search or what his girlfriend would think. Not sure on that last point though. I think it's also possible that an inability to resist urges means that he acts first, thinks later. I'm just offering some thoughts on AB's state of mind, but there are many other possibilities too.

 

[rez125]

Hi all,

I've been following this the past few days and am wondering about the disturbing info that's being withheld. I initially thought the magistrate was surpressing details due to the huge interest this case has generated and the backlash we've seen via social media. But then remember the journos stating people were physically sick the night of the briefing at St Kilda road. To me, and I hope this doesn't come out wrong, strangulation seems like a less sickening 'method' than others. That sounded horrible but I hope people get what I'm trying to say

Again I hope I haven't offended anyone, I just want all the facts. Am aware the family could have requested the surpression also and I wouldn't blame them in the slightest.

 

[Mendoza]

Hi all,

I've been following this the past few days and am wondering about the disturbing info that's being withheld.

During last September i read a report that was about AB but under his previous name and it went into vague details about the physical and verbal degradation he inflicted upon one of the prostitutes he was convicted of raping, needless to say it wasn't very pleasant. Sorry i don't have a link for you or i can't remember his previous name, Im sure it wouldnt be too hard to find out.

 

[Sleuthilicious]

During last September i read a report that was about AB but under his previous name and it went into vague details about the physical and verbal degradation he inflicted upon one of the prostitutes he was convicted of raping, needless to say it wasn't very pleasant. Sorry i don't have a link for you or i can't remember his previous name, Im sure it wouldnt be too hard to find out.

The combination of he sickening details of a previous crime and the fact that he was allowed to walk amongst us! That'd make me physically ill!

 

[rez125]

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I can't speak for others but I don't like things like this sugarcoated, I like to know the cold hard facts.

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[keyleigh]

During last September i read a report that was about AB but under his previous name and it went into vague details about the physical and verbal degradation he inflicted upon one of the prostitutes he was convicted of raping, needless to say it wasn't very pleasant. Sorry i don't have a link for you or i can't remember his previous name, Im sure it wouldnt be too hard to find out.

There was an article in Woman's Weekly (I think) that described in some detail what he did to one of the victims. I wish I could go back and unread it to be honest.

 

[Mendoza]

I think that issue was recalled or not made available in Victoria, for obvious reasons. You're not the first person I have seen who has stated they wish they hadn't read it!

 

[fruity]

For those of you that don’t know, Sydney Road around this area inclines, which is a pain to walk- especially in high-heels (roughly 17 hours after you first left for work about 8am Friday 21st September).

That’s it, folks.
I welcome your comments!

She didn't have heels on all day. The CCTV footage of her leaving work showed her wearing flats.

 

[Humdinger]

She didn't have heels on all day. The CCTV footage of her leaving work showed her wearing flats.

No doubt commuting shoes, getting to the tram / train quickly, then pop them back in the bag and heels back on. I noticed the flats too when I first saw the CCTV footage.

 

[Snoopey]

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Totally agree. . she only had a relatively short distance to walk home and she should have been able to do so in safety. She never made it. She was "accosted" then raped 3 times by AB and then killed...all because in his words "she flipped me off". We know enough!

Let's hope the punishment fits the crime and that some legal loophole doesn't result in a manslaughter charge istead of murder.

 

[CuriousGrace]

She didn't have heels on all day. The CCTV footage of her leaving work showed her wearing flats.

Exactly. Many women, including myself, rarely wear high heels to and from work getting to work if there is some working distance included. A lot of women will carry their high heels in their bags and they generally have some at their work desk. She may have put on her heels just before she entered the bar. However, this poses the question. It looks like she was carrying two bags, where was the second one located? And where is the pair of flats? A shame she didn't put those on when she was walking home after drinks.

 

[Jmbr]

Totally agree. . she only had a relatively short distance to walk home and she should have been able to do so in safety. She never made it. She was "accosted" then raped 3 times by AB and then killed...all because in his words "she flipped me off". We know enough!

Let's hope the punishment fits the crime and that some legal loophole doesn't result in a manslaughter charge istead of murder.

Oh I hope so. I was saying to my boyfriend the other day that even if he is locked away for the rest of his life due to the rapes and Jill's death, if he is only charged with manslaughter it will be a huge injustice to Jill.

 

[ozazure]

I think it is a kindness to society at large not to reveal the details when it is likely to be widely talked about. I was on holiday when I was told verbally about the poor woman in India - I didn't want or need to know at that time (and now), it was traumatic. I know that sounds very selfish compared to the horror she went through. And her story getting out had/has a purpose, to shine a light on violence towards women in India. Jill already garnered the support of 30,000 people to walk the streets in protest of her rape and murder.

 

[Eireann]

The flats were possibly in the bottom of her handbag. They could even be those roll up flats that you can buy. They roll up to a very small size.

It was said that Jill is an incredibly fast walker by Skye - you can even see it in the CCTV that she's trying to keep up with her. That's possibly another reason for wearing flats starting out, heels would only slow you down.

As for the ABC bag, there has been no mention of it. They did say that her shoes (probably her heels) were tossed out in the journey to or from the burial site, so perhaps the bag was tossed too. Wonder if these items were ever recovered?

 

[porge]

I don't remember the details, but I do remember there was a lot of focus on her abc bag (not handbag) while she was still missing. It may have been because they had found that and not the handbag, does anyone remember?

 

[KG1]

Thanks Marly I saw that, but was wondering why a person would have so many filled buckets in their laundry. Probably completely unrelated and more my nosiness.

I think it likely that this lady was recycling water, or saving the grey water for garden or toilet. We are still on water restrictions in Melbourne.