GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #6

[H A L 9 0 0 0]

The idea that a person who has gone to great lengths to try to cover up and deny any involvement in a crime like this, should be in any way ''rewarded'' with a lesser sentence just because they begrudgingly change their plea to what it should've been in the first place (and only once they finally accept advice that the evidence against them is overwhelming), is a total insult to loved ones of the victim and the entire community.

Shame on the slimy creep's defence lawyer for even hinting at a non-parole period and suggesting the crime was not serious enough for the key to be thrown away indefinitely.

As others here have suggested, given Bayley has been free to stalk women and girls for the last few years, plus during the period before he was last incarcerated, we may never know the extent of his sinister activities. How many others might he have tried his mister average nice guy act on. And how many other random pedestrians, hitch hikers, backpackers etc might be lying in shallow graves that only this creep knows about. In his police interview he stated "I f----d up". So how many times could he have put other women who have struggled or fought back in shallow graves and gone undetected? I'd call that a reasonable doubt.

 

[Fuskier]

The idea that a person who has gone to great lengths to try to cover up and deny any involvement in a crime like this, should be in any way ''rewarded'' with a lesser sentence just because they begrudgingly change their plea to what it should've been in the first place (and only once they finally accept advice that the evidence against them is overwhelming), is a total insult to loved ones of the victim and the entire community.

Shame on the slimy creep's defence lawyer for even hinting at a non-parole period and suggesting the crime was not serious enough for the key to be thrown away indefinitely.

As others here have suggested, given Bayley has been free to stalk women and girls for the last few years, plus during the period before he was last incarcerated, we may never know the extent of his sinister activities. How many others might he have tried his mister average nice guy act on. And how many other random pedestrians, hitch hikers, backpackers etc might be lying in shallow graves that only this creep knows about. In his police interview he stated "I f----d up". So how many times could he have put other women who have struggled or fought back in shallow graves and gone undetected? I'd call that a reasonable doubt.

Well said HAL9000! :goodpost:

 

[DrWatson]

"Judge warned on Bayley 11 years ago"

This also makes for chilling reading. How the defence lawyer can even consider asking for a parole possibility is beyond me...! :stormingmad:

http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/judge-warned-on-bayley-11-years-ago-20130612-2o3kb.html

 

[H A L 9 0 0 0]

So apparently he pleaded guilty to the 3 other rapes as well, according to a herald sun article from today- which is why the suppression order was lifted. Funny, I didn't see that mentioned in any articles I read yesterday. Was wondering why they would lift the suppression order with a rape trial coming up.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-...-strangle-fetish/story-fni0ffnk-1226662201379

"Bayley's long history of violent crimes, predominantly against women, can be revealed after a suppression order was lifted following his guilty plea to the rape of a woman in 2000 and two other women in the months before raping and murdering Ms Meagher."

 

[DrWatson]

Slightly off the specific topic of Jill, but here's another one. Refused bail today, for the alleged rape and murder of the 3-month pregnant Joanne Ryther - wait for it - WHILE OUT ON PAROLE..!

Another one, with a victim not only of the accused (allegedly) but also of the system.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/06/12/10/36/accused-qld-murderer-to-apply-for-bail

:stormingmad:

They keep on cropping up, don't they? I wonder how many it will take before they have a REALLY good look as to whether or not the parole system needs to be fixed. This 18-year old was on parole for property offences, but the system still failed Joanne Ryther.

 

[somanto]

"Judge warned on Bayley 11 years ago"

This also makes for chilling reading. How the defence lawyer can even consider asking for a parole possibility is beyond me...! :stormingmad:

http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/judge-warned-on-bayley-11-years-ago-20130612-2o3kb.html

Great article. This judge was so spot on in everything he said, unfortunately. Unbelievable that the psychiatrist said he had "good prospects of rehabilitation"...i can't decide whether that's an outright lie or just sheer stupidity...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It's official .. we are way too lenient with violent offenders in Australia. Sarah Cafferkey's killer also springs to mind.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Complete victim impact statements: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/j...-victim-impact-statements-20130612-2o3ih.html

 

[DrWatson]

Hooo boy..! They're really coming out of the woodwork now. How about this one:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rapist-and-murderer-on-the-run-20130612-2o41u.html

He's still on the run - another rapist/murderer.

They all seem to be coming to light now that the suppression order has been lifted. It should never have been made in the first case. Who knows what this has been doing in the meantime? And now that it has become more public knowledge, the police have a better chance of finding him.

 

[FigTree]

Removed post -
sorry, similar post above re: Joan Ryther about the accused being paroled 2 months before her murder.

Great article. This judge was so spot on in everything he said, unfortunately. Unbelievable that the psychiatrist said he had "good prospects of rehabilitation"...i can't decide whether that's an outright lie or just sheer stupidity...

Today, Another one asking for bail:
Source: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/06/12/10/36/accused-qld-murderer-to-apply-for-bail

Or this Defense Teams submission to grant bail for Joan Ryther,s murderer today, who was on parole at the time of the killing ...
In arguing for bail, Mr Meehan said his client, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was not a flight risk and had cooperated with police.
"He knew that he was a suspect. When speaking with police he put himself at or about the scene on the night and indeed he participated with a drive around with police and described in great detail what his movements were," he said.

Mr Meehan also said his client should be granted bail because of his "tender age", and the fact a trial would be some way off.

But Justice Peter Applegarth denied the request, saying the crown had a "reasonably strong" case and he believed the teen was a flight risk.

:facepalm:

 

[Scoobysnack]

Yes probably most likely that he hid - however they were only a few shops from Hope St so she must have seen him go down there? Also, remember the media questioned why there were no screams, and they were hinting at the fact she may have been knocked out? I guess we would have found this information out had there been a trial, but glad family don't have to go through one. He better get life next Wed.NO PAROLE.

I should have wrote the shopfronts on Sydney rd ( not Hope street ) I dont think he hid on Hope street cause there is no way he would have guessed Jill was going to turn.... unless she mentioned "I just live down there" but I doubt she would have.
He was out for the hunt & she felt she was in the clear & rid of him ( of course this is all my own beliefs!) that is why she turned.

I did upload some pics, I think you may see them in my album .... if not in the thread prior to this one.

 

[Amee]

I should have wrote the shopfronts on Sydney rd ( not Hope street ) I dont think he hid on Hope street cause there is no way he would have guessed Jill was going to turn.... unless she mentioned "I just live down there" but I doubt she would have.
He was out for the hunt & she felt she was in the clear & rid of him ( of course this is all my own beliefs!) that is why she turned.

I did upload some pics, I think you may see them in my album .... if not in the thread prior to this one.

After watching the video I posted this morning, (Id not seen that footage before). I too believe he was on the hunt.
Id also like to know what he whispered to his mate before leaving the pub. Jill had changed shoes from black flats to the heels.( not that it means much but just something I noticed) MOO

 

[Angeline]

I feel for Tom more than ever now, especially after reading that statement. There has been time for the full horror to sink in. The poor man and the endless haunting thoughts he must be experiencing.
Something as basic as wanting to comfort a loved one as they are dying. He was denied that, and he was only metres away. As for the emotions that come from the horrific act I can't even imagine.
Now Cory Ryther is going through it. The cases are very similar, main difference is Joan was found sooner.

 

[Amee]

Rapists and child molesters use sex offender programs to gain freedom, expert says

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...edom-expert-says/story-fncz7kyc-1226663158666

 

[Amee]

THE Adult Parole Board was warned five times about Adrian Bayley's behaviour in the year before he killed Jill Meagher - but chose to do nothing.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...on-adrian-bayley/story-fnii5smq-1226662757338

 

[Alli1982]

http://www.herald.ie/news/no-words-to-describe-the-pain-says-jill-meaghers-uncle-29340221.html

"The details of what happened to Jill are distressing. No words can describe the consequence of this and the family need privacy and space.

"We await the sentencing next Wednesday," he added, declining to comment any further.

It mentioned in another article quoting Jill Meagher's uncle that the family hear the details only that day (pre-sentence hearing) - how is that possible? Wouldn't they have been told long ago?

 

[Dons]

Alli1982 that surprises me that the family may not know the full details I would have thought that thy may have been told so they could be prepared incase it did go to a full trial? In yesterday's herald sun it talks about Jill's father coping with the details of her rape and murder and how the lawyers 'neatly detailed the frantic final moments of her life' it then went on to say how seconds after her violent rape she 'unleashed a tirade on her aggressor and threatened to call the police and how she finally fell to the ground and what the killer did to keep her there'

But maybe they haven't gone into the full details due to how frail the family are? I don't know the law at all (I'm a kinder teacher!) but regardless Jill fought so hard in the end reading the article was distressing enough you cant imagine the terror.
I initially thought too that Bayley was on 3 counts of rape with this crime?

 

[Alli1982]

Alli1982 that surprises me that the family may not know the full details I would have thought that thy may have been told so they could be prepared incase it did go to a full trial? In yesterday's herald sun it talks about Jill's father coping with the details of her rape and murder and how the lawyers 'neatly detailed the frantic final moments of her life' it then went on to say how seconds after her violent rape she 'unleashed a tirade on her aggressor and threatened to call the police and how she finally fell to the ground and what the killer did to keep her there'

But maybe they haven't gone into the full details due to how frail the family are? I don't know the law at all (I'm a kinder teacher!) but regardless Jill fought so hard in the end reading the article was distressing enough you cant imagine the terror.
I initially thought too that Bayley was on 3 counts of rape with this crime?

do you have a link for this article Dons? Yes he was up for 3 counts, all of that detail remains repressed it seems, including where/how he dragged poor jill up the lane...

 

[Amee]

Bayley's life of brutal crime

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/1564558/bayleys-life-of-brutal-crime/?cs=12

 

[Fuskier]

Bayley's life of brutal crime

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/1564558/bayleys-life-of-brutal-crime/?cs=12

IMO Judge Duckett 'got him'. He had a good grasp of his sociopathy. Seems he had significant psycopathy with the enjoyment of sadistic power over vulnerable women/girls and inflicting physical pain and humiliation along with mental and emotional terror - over a 20 year period! Has the Victorian Parole Board been negligent by not taking decisive protective action to safeguard our communities from this sociopath? What is it that they don't 'get' about his history? Do they not understand sociopathy? Do they not understand balancing 'risks' against 'protective' factors?
IMHO Bayley's history indicates that he was a significant 'risk' to the safety of women'girls and a danger to society.
He should have been incarcerated for life, never to be released, under dangerous sexual offenders legislation.

One wonders whether seeing common words within a prison population, written on 40 or so Prison Parole applications, over and over again, week after week, over years - whether members of the Parole Board may become 'desensitised' to the meaning of those written words. Do the words 'blurr' into meaninglessness? Do Parole Board members reach 'saturation' point and brush over those words, failing to grasp their individual implications for 'risk' assessment? It is possible. The words I refer to are contained in the link above, words accurately uttered by Judge Duckett.

As The Parole Board's main function is to release prisoners into civil society among law-abiding citizens, then the skills needed should include both the Police as Law Enforcement and Clinicians with a working knowledge of Personality Disorders for balanced decisions for each individual prisoner applying for Parole, their individual history, their 'risk' versus 'protective' factors for release back into civil society. The Board having 'the power' to grant Parole does not mean that Parole should be granted in all cases. Some prisoners should not be released back into civil society.
IMO there needs to be an acceptance that some individual manifestations of PD's means that they cannot be rehabilitated, they remain a danger for the rest of their lives. They may need to be incarcerated for the term of their natural lives.