Australia - JS, 32 y.o. man, charged w/ murder of 9 y.o. girl , Mt Wilson, 13 January 2022 #2

[Aussieboy]

The front gates at Wildenstein.... not sure if they are automated. In this picture, they are being jammed open with star stakes, so perhaps not automated? Rather cool number plates on the Police car..... See Ya!

Wildenstein gates

That looks like it's to stop people trying to open the gates the wrong way.

 

[Rumination1]

Yes maybe automated

 

[Liadan]

I wonder what sort of 'tortured life' JS's mother speaks of?

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

I can only assume that CM’s mum had pulled herself together enough or given off the appearance of having done so for G’Ma to have released CM into her care. It’s evident G’Ma was anguished about being apart from CM. KM posted on SM that she was looking forward to the time together. So what happened to turn that around? What happened to KM to abandon her responsibilities as temporary carer (only planned to be with her for a couple of weeks).

I have found no confirmation that she was working and therefore needed JS to look after CM and therefore need to stay at the Caravan to be close to work

If JS and KM had a bust up no reason she would have left CM with JS unless incapable of making a coherent decision or unable to care for her herself

As CM was reported to have been staying at the caravan site It seems that all was well and good with CM & KM during this period with reports of her playing with other children. Was she taken by JS on a promise of an adventure day out and never returned.? Why didn’t KM accompany them? If she was staying there because they had had a falling out that seems unlikely.

Reports of CM & JS catching a ferry BACK to the caravan site at one point seems to infer KM had allowed this travel or that it wasn’t an abduction of sorts by JS at that point.

Was KM banned from staying at the homestead due to a fallout with JS’s mother who was obviously not a fan of their relationship.

If we can ascertain why KM was staying at the caravan site I believe that will be the clue to what the catalyst was for CM being in JS’s sole care

 

[Liadan]

I can only assume that CM’s mum had pulled herself together enough or given off the appearance of having done so for G’Ma to have released CM into her care. It’s evident G’Ma was anguished about being apart from CM. KM posted on SM that she was looking forward to the time together. So what happened to turn that around? What happened to KM to abandon her responsibilities as temporary carer (only planned to be with her for a couple of weeks).

I have found no confirmation that she was working and therefore needed JS to look after CM and therefore need to stay at the Caravan to be close to work

If JS and KM had a bust up no reason she would have left CM with JS unless incapable of making a coherent decision or unable to care for her herself

As CM was reported to have been staying at the caravan site It seems that all was well and good with CM & KM during this period with reports of her playing with other children. Was she taken by JS on a promise of an adventure day out and never returned.? Why didn’t KM accompany them? If she was staying there because they had had a falling out that seems unlikely.

Reports of CM & JS catching a ferry BACK to the caravan site at one point seems to infer KM had allowed this travel or that it wasn’t an abduction of sorts by JS at that point.

Was KM banned from staying at the homestead due to a fallout with JS’s mother who was obviously not a fan of their relationship.

If we can ascertain why KM was staying at the caravan site I believe that will be the clue to what the catalyst was for CM being in JS’s sole care

Thank you C&L, I am 100% behind your theory!

 

[Zim]

Weird or not (dunno ?)...
My mind keeps going back to the $20,000 per month rehab for 2 months !...($40,000 (!) in total that is a HUGE amount of money unless you are really, really 'well heeled' That is about 5 to 6 times the value of an average car !)
Is there a connection here ? (Pay back ?)
Who paid and why and how ?
JMO

 

[Ann764]

Just complete thoughts here putting a few bits and pieces to try and make some sort of sense of the situation.
Facts / what’s been stated to be
1- KM pregnant with JS child,
2- KM attended incredibly expensive rehab clinic ( 20k per month)
3- KM had not had custody of CM for some time due to numerous factors
4- numerous others as will fit below
All is thoughts only trying to make fit and see if other pieces can perhaps firmed up.

So what about this
1- first grandchild to the S family was expected , was KM pregnant when she attended the rehab clinic? , did AS pay to get KM healthy snd not put the baby at risk as it was her opportunity a a grandchild, regardless of the fact that she did not approve of the partnership

 

[Ann764]

Continued from above, could not get it to post as one………….
AS had to support the union if she was to try and keep her JS on a more stable path.

Was AS the main push behind getting CM there to establish the new family within arms reach, and keep JS within her grasp to try and keep him on the straight and narrow

Did KM find this pressure too much but obliged as did CM’s grandmother.

Was CM thought to be spending the time with AS but things went pair shaped.

After KM did not hear from CM for a while that she finally contacted AS who had no clue about this apparent catch up?

Did KM have a desire to be on the coast where CM was enrolled in school hence would not follow AS path that the wealthy family had chosen and also KM owed the family perhaps for the financial gains that she had received a home, rehab etc.

even though KM wanted to get things back together with CM and her M, and have the baby there on the coast which was in direct opposition to the desires of the S family.

Did JS not take CM to his mother and unfortunately did something terrible that made CM frightened to the point she was going to tell and his whole life would unravel, so he in the situation of been unable to calm CM and on something too perhaps though the only way to avoid jail and loosing everything was to dispose of CM.

So when KM was contacting JS he reassured all was fine. But then had requested that CM made contact. Which lead KM to finally contact AS who said no CM was not with her and his lies started unraveling, as KM had unexpectedly contacted AS herself and the stories realisation started hitting .

So then the panic , the story of CM missing ,

KM calling the police, AS involved.
Just a mess.


The 200k the drum the time line, missing.
Km reason for where she was etc and the lack of communication, as she thought CM was in the care of AS which considering the trust with the other GM, and that KM may have been told to leave AS and CM alone after all the money that the S family had given and this too was a GM now.

So then the fallout as JS entire plan unravelled the rush to dispose of body the boat not starting the search underway.

And JS not in shock when arrested just tell AS to call the lawyer.

I don’t think the terrible things that happened with CM snd JS will ever totally be surfaced unless he has something to gain ( reduced time etc) but this will be unlikely .

The whole this is heartbreaking and all this is just thoughts .

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Just complete thoughts here putting a few bits and pieces to try and make some sort of sense of the situation.
Facts / what’s been stated to be
1- KM pregnant with JS child,
2- KM attended incredibly expensive rehab clinic ( 20k per month)
3- KM had not had custody of CM for some time due to numerous factors
4- numerous others as will fit below
All is thoughts only trying to make fit and see if other pieces can perhaps firmed up.

So what about this
1- first grandchild to the S family was expected , was KM pregnant when she attended the rehab clinic? , did AS pay to get KM healthy snd not put the baby at risk as it was her opportunity a a grandchild, regardless of the fact that she did not approve of the partnership

IIRC JS has other children, so this would not be first grandchild for his family

 

[Ann764]

IIRC JS has other children, so this would not be first grandchild for his family

Yes but has no contact as they were prior to JS incarceration, also the association of who paid for KM rehab, was there a chance of KM return to coast once covid clear and thus, the desire to do all possible to keep both JS and KM on a good path as covid would have made life difficult to re enter. And now the pregnancy . The S family may have wanted to provide better opportunity regardless of there potential negative influence on each other and the new baby. Perhaps hope that the pregnancy and providing a stable chance getting CM back and hopefully the future would be brighter for all.

there is something peculiar about the GM agreeing to CM going to NSW based on the couple’s sketchy similarities,
There was some kind of push for CM to go rather than KM amd JS holiday with the CM in QLD her familiar place, particularly after having little to do with KM for so long.
It’s like there was a bigger plan .
Just a thought

 

[Ann764]

I still think all that aside JS could have got the boat started etc there might be a very different result with no body. And had more time to cover his tracks . just shocking that poor little darling. The thought of what JS did are shocking to imagine.

 

[drsleuth]

Yes but has no contact as they were prior to JS incarceration, also the association of who paid for KM rehab, was there a chance of KM return to coast once covid clear and thus, the desire to do all possible to keep both JS and KM on a good path as covid would have made life difficult to re enter. And now the pregnancy . The S family may have wanted to provide better opportunity regardless of there potential negative influence on each other and the new baby. Perhaps hope that the pregnancy and providing a stable chance getting CM back and hopefully the future would be brighter for all.

there is something peculiar about the GM agreeing to CM going to NSW based on the couple’s sketchy similarities,
There was some kind of push for CM to go rather than KM amd JS holiday with the CM in QLD her familiar place, particularly after having little to do with KM for so long.
It’s like there was a bigger plan .
Just a thought

BBM : Where has it been reported that KM had / has Covid??

 

[BlueViolet]

Are we allowed to post photos here please? There is an interesting one I came across recently.

 

[BlueViolet]

The photo is on this link where she is wearing a yellow top which looks like a top she was wearing in another photo with GM. The photo in the link shows a tattooed hand and an “Everlast” logo top in the background …

Huge twist in search for CM in Mount Wilson | Daily Mail Online

Wondering when it was taken.

 

[Ann764]

BBM : Where has it been reported that KM had / has Covid??

Not her personally , but the closed boarder restrictions and lockdowns NSW. Has experienced which would have restricted extensively KM ability to get back in to QLD at any stage for quite some time.

then KM falls pregnant, had she got back on the gear in the mean time? Obviously as she had attended the rehab after incarceration, so we still have the point,….. who paid?
How long ago?
How far along pregnant is KM?

this offers insite in to why CM was there in the first place, to perhaps experience where they were hoping to raise the next child and have CM more regularly/ permanent?

so did AS pay for the rehab?
Who has been supporting KM ? ( well clearly the S family they own the caravan, etc and with how things have been in the economy with covid, it’s impossible for most people to hold jobs, let alone with any drug addiction/ past.

So AS was supporting them and hoping for a better future under the circumstances,

there was disapproval acknowledged by AS of the union perhaps Hope that it would just end and not get too far to a wedding etc,( it make have been KM dreaming of using the venue etc, it’s reported KM was very excited by JS ( apparent wealth)

Anyway then the pregnancy seals the deal and the relationship had to be supported as did getting them clean and trying to get KM, JS more settled and take care of the growing baby.

hence CM, seeing what it was like and also perhaps getting to know her step GM,

We don’t know if KM was unwell on the days prior and hence JS said he would get her to spend a few days with AS.

But CM never made it to AS, as JS did something terrible and as a result was left with this only option to silence CM. As CM was distraught by what JS did and wanted to Go to GM , or call KM, but all wooo up of have ended in him in big trouble regardless.
So he though silence CM for good and no body no evidence hard to prove dropp it in the sea.

But it all fell apart. His horrific plan.

But due to things not going to JS plan ( KM wanting to hear from CM or asking her to be returned as KM feeling better and JS stalling , KM perhaps contacted AS , so he could buy no more time, the boat not starting, putting the sand in to earl, as it must have been done on the back of the Ute. He could not have lifted it otherwise, so then he could not get in on to the boat. JS went to different jetties probably to inspect if he could somehow find a ramp that perhaps he could back the Ute near and get ot on the boat. Etc.

it all unravelled. I think it is JS alone. Many sad things contributed, to get there which others will forever feel guilt and horror for for their choices,

But I don’t think KM or AS we’re in murder. They did not realise just quite how troubled JS really was
Yuck

 

[Ann764]

Has anyone got the telephone interview with Jason tucker and the true crime transcript, A few bits are all really difficult to make out but basically he has know JS for 20 years, met him in the cross, we’re both drug back then and JS 32 now so we’re talking a big habit,
The there is something about him JT meeting KM in the last 6 months ( could only be for one thing)

perhaps KM has got herself in to some horrific situations and people sure to drugs .
I just don’t get the vibe she knew what she was dealing with.

AS would have know JT as well probably dragged him from the flat many times.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes but has no contact .....

JS is paying child support for his son. I wouldn't presume that the son has no contact with the S family (son was born when he was 19).
But he is not paying child support for his daughter, who was born when he was 16.

This DT article says he is unemployed and paying child support.



https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/t...d/news-story/87fc40c7b9b4f5570745fec26039eff9

 

[SouthAussie]

Anyway not sure the relevance of any of that to CM’s murder

Agreed, not sure why it was mentioned in the first place.

 

[BlueViolet]

The photo is on this link where she is wearing a yellow top which looks like a top she was wearing in another photo with GM. The photo in the link shows a tattooed hand and an “Everlast” logo top in the background …

Huge twist in search for CM in Mount Wilson | Daily Mail Online

Wondering when it was taken.

This one …

 

[Ann764]

This one …

I’m not making the link of what your trying to communicate? .
She had a biological father. And in that picture she looks rather young? .