Australia - JS, 32 y.o. man, charged w/ murder of 9 y.o. girl , Mt Wilson, 13 January 2022 #2

[Warshawski]

i wonder if as penpals they exchanged photos of their children, and how soon did js get to meet cm?
JS's mother A released a statement after her son's arrest revealing she didn't approve of the whirlwind relationship between her son and C's mother.

Social media posts show the pair enjoyed a rapid romance, announcing they were engaged just three weeks after meeting face-to-face.
C M's mum HAS now been interviewed by police who say girl killed with 'small rifle' | Daily Mail Online

IMO, this is rubbish journalism.

KM & JS met in rehab before both went to prison. They exchanged letters whilst incarcerated. KM was released prior to JS as I understand it. They were engaged Dec 2020 which was only a couple of months after his release I think.

 

[they'll get you]

Harrowing moment the mother of murdered girl CM 'ran screaming down a corridor' when she heard on the NEWS her daughter died from a gunshot wound - and sobbed about being pregnant with the alleged killer's baby
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10450247/KM broke-learning-CM-shot-living-Mission-Australia-unit.html

 

[Teeniesmum]

Harrowing moment the mother of murdered girl CM 'ran screaming down a corridor' when she heard on the NEWS her daughter died from a gunshot wound - and sobbed about being pregnant with the alleged killer's baby
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10450247/KM broke-learning-CM-shot-living-Mission-Australia-unit.html

good Lord I hope this poor woman hasn't just been dumped at this accommodation without any support or company and if this is true (and I know it's the mail) that she found out the cause of death from the news than that is attrocious and inhumane. As there is nothing to implicate her in this murder apart from poor choices then to treat a grieving mother like this is awful and I feel for her,

 

[whitelilac]

Harrowing moment the mother of murdered girl CM 'ran screaming down a corridor' when she heard on the NEWS her daughter died from a gunshot wound - and sobbed about being pregnant with the alleged killer's baby
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10450247/KM broke-learning-CM-shot-living-Mission-Australia-unit.html

What on earth?
She heard this on the NEWS? She didn't get a visit from the authorities or a counselor beforehand?
And how does the DM even find this out ?
Now everyone knows where KM is staying, compromising her privacy. And the neighbor should never have spoken to the DM.
smh

 

[deugirtni]

Harrowing moment the mother of murdered girl CM 'ran screaming down a corridor' when she heard on the NEWS her daughter died from a gunshot wound - and sobbed about being pregnant with the alleged killer's baby
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10450247/KM broke-learning-CM-shot-living-Mission-Australia-unit.html

LE indicated they had interviewed Mom on the Friday before the COD was released.. but yet when LE released the COD, it appears they went straight to media, without informing Mom first? To me, that indicates the relationship did not really improve between Mom and LE, even though she spoke to them. Maybe she had no choice, if docs had released her? I don't think LE can *make* someone answer questions though.. but perhaps they could've issued the threat that if she didn't talk to them, she too would need to be arrested and charged? I noticed in one of the news stories that it said the accused did not want to speak to police, so police charged him, as if they had no choice at that point. (Whereas if he HAD told them what he knew (AND he didn't do it), he may have avoided arrest/charges?) Just thoughts.

 

[SouthAussie]

What on earth?
She heard this on the NEWS? She didn't get a visit from the authorities or a counselor beforehand?
And how does the DM even find this out ?
Now everyone knows where KM is staying, compromising her privacy. And the neighbor should never have spoken to the DM.
smh

DS Doherty said 'the family' had been advised. Prior to releasing the news. Do they perhaps notify the legal guardian, then expect the legal guardian to take it from there?

I can't imagine that it is the authorities job to go around and make sure that each (non-legal guardian) family member is advised prior to the presser.

 

[whitelilac]

DS Doherty said 'the family' had been advised. Prior to releasing the news. Do they perhaps notify the legal guardian, then expect the legal guardian to take it from there?

I can't imagine that it is the authorities job to go around and make sure that each (non-legal guardian) family member is advised prior to the presser.

Yes, possible. The grandparents were notified since they are the legal guardians. And maybe they (grandparents) didn't even know where KM was staying, and maybe there was no communication between them and KM after CM was found.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, possible. The grandparents were notified since they are the legal guardians. And maybe they (grandparents) didn't even know where KM was staying, and maybe there was no communication between them and KM after CM was found.

There could be some angst there. Grandparents feeling betrayed that CM was not kept safe during her holiday with her mother. Allowed to go off alone with a man she didn't really know well, and being too young to do anything about it (or see the risks herself).

I am not sure how I would feel, if I had spent some years loving and raising my grandchild to the best of my ability ... then found out that she was deceased for two days before anyone realised she was missing.

imo

 

[Warshawski]

What on earth?
She heard this on the NEWS? She didn't get a visit from the authorities or a counselor beforehand?
And how does the DM even find this out ?
Now everyone knows where KM is staying, compromising her privacy. And the neighbor should never have spoken to the DM.
smh

this is appalling on so many levels. And the ‘neighbour’ is happy to splash KM’s situation across the globe but wants to make sure she herself if not identified!
I really wonder where / how the DM gets its information. .

 

[Warshawski]

DS Doherty said 'the family' had been advised. Prior to releasing the news. Do they perhaps notify the legal guardian, then expect the legal guardian to take it from there?

I can't imagine that it is the authorities job to go around and make sure that each (non-legal guardian) family member is advised prior to the presser.

I see what you mean SA but I still think it’s a bit poor form not to inform the mother, particularly in this complex situation.

And who knows what additional information it may have been an opportunity to glean, imo.

 

[Violet77]

I see what you mean SA but I still think it’s a bit poor form not to inform the mother, particularly in this complex situation.

And who knows what additional information it may have been an opportunity to glean, imo.

I agree, I wonder who informed her when CM was found.

 

[Kittybunny]

Started following this case late, and was reading through the first thread when it got pulled after JS was arrested and was beyond confused trying to make sense of the convoluted locations on top of not being from Australia. Now that it seems we can throw out a lot of the early information, I still just keep coming back around and going around in circles as to why KM let JS take her daughter on an overnight far away from her. It just makes absolutely no sense. The only thing I can even come close to thinking of is that he manipulated her by saying that now that they were engaged she needed to prove her love or her trust in him by giving him a chance to be with her daughter by himself. But even that... I can't imagine agreeing to let my boyfriend take my 6 year old niece to his house for a few hours, let alone an overnight several hours away without me. And that's not even taking into account that she hadn't seen her daughter for a long time and it was a temporary visit. Wouldn't your first priority be spending as much time as possible with your daughter?

Every other possibility that I can think of to make sense of this case draws upon some horrific cases I've followed here in the US with some similarities <modsnip> so I guess we wait until more information comes out.

My heart hurts thinking of CM and all her loved ones especially her grandmother. The anguish and guilt she must be feeling on top of her grieving heart. It is unbearable to think about.

 

[leopink74]

I agree, I wonder who informed her when CM was found.

From what I can work out, KM was still in hospital when CM was found.. Thankfully she would have had support around her for that news….

 

[katydid23]

Maybe KM was not open to speaking to the police anymore? She did finally have her formal interview recently but maybe it was a one off interview and that was it?

 

[MissUnderstood]

The mother not being told COD seems quite telling to me. She may be described as a “witness” by LE, but not telling her this makes me think she is not on good terms with them. Moo

 

[Marg944]

I was re-reading some news articles, this one from Sky News dated 27th Jan, and I hadn't noticed this before:-


"Investigators believe the schoolgirl was killed at Stein’s family property after KM dropped CM off while she stayed at a caravan park 80 kilometres away."


I had always thought that JS picked her up from KM at the caravan park. I thought it was reported somewhere that KM didn't have a vehicle?


KM dropped CM off

 

[katydid23]

I was re-reading some news articles, this one from Sky News dated 27th Jan, and I hadn't noticed this before:-


"Investigators believe the schoolgirl was killed at Stein’s family property after KM dropped CM off while she stayed at a caravan park 80 kilometres away."


I had always thought that JS picked her up from KM at the caravan park. I thought it was reported somewhere that KM didn't have a vehicle?


KM dropped CM off

I wonder if Sky News misreported or misunderstood? I haven't read that anywhere else? Is that new info or just bad reporting?

 

[Marg944]

I wonder if Sky News misreported or misunderstood? I haven't read that anywhere else? Is that new info or just bad reporting?

The article is dated a couple of days ago, and it doesn't state that is was updated since then. I am surprised I missed it. But, as you say, which media source can we trust?

 

[katydid23]

IF she did have a car, that would surprise me that she didn't go to the wedding venue earlier to check on her girl.

 

[SouthAussie]

I see what you mean SA but I still think it’s a bit poor form not to inform the mother, particularly in this complex situation.

And who knows what additional information it may have been an opportunity to glean, imo.

I don't know, Warsh. I have grown weary of these parents whose children are given a different legal guardian because the parents won't straighten up their poor form, and then they are given a free pass when something even more terrible later happens to their children.

This is the 4th Aussie case of this happening that I can think of, off the top of my head.

If I have grown weary of it, I can imagine how the police feel about it.