Australia - JS, 32 y.o. man, charged w/ murder of 9 y.o. girl , Mt Wilson, 13 January 2022

[Sdow]

I wonder what JS's google history looks like.


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Thank you South Aussie, did not know the second part. I'm now a little wiser. So we still can't rule out shooting at property in that case. Gunshot powder can also be washed off I've just found out.

 

[Sdow]

He may have used something to contain the evidence of the gunshot that was then later disposed of & the police have yet to find, we know he had access to tarps, who knows how many stops he made along the way disposing of evidence. He may have also thoroughly cleaned the area where the shooting occurred - the estate had not been used for a while, a thoroughly cleaned area may have tipped police off in the very beginning that something wasn’t adding up.

It would account for his unknown actions on the timeframe between Tues/Wed am (murder) and Thursday (disposal). PS. I don't enjoy using such cold and detached wording and talking so clinically, it's a far cry as to how I'm feeling, but it's a way to cope with this situation.

 

[Sdow]

So without evidence of blood or gunshot residue at the property, where CM was last seen, that gun and the cctv will be critical to the investigation, to link JS to the shotgun wound. No wonder they are desperately seeking information from the public.

 

[Warshawski]

Sorry if I’ve missed this answer already but why would the mother be staying in a run down caravan and her daughter with the new bloke at the fancy property. As a mum of 4 I just don’t understand the logistics of that scenario. It’s weird

also his driving around does indicate it wasnt a pre meditated murder IMO he has no plan or will it seems to “finish” the job properly. He was rather clumsy about it and certainly not calculated or cunning.

Drugged up or plain stupid- maybe both, or was it more than he couldnt process with hours and hours of driving around it had time to sink in just what was transpiring?

Bless that poor little girl. May the person/people responsible be dealt with to the full extent of the law. None of this “mental illness rubbish”

My apologies if my wording sounds callous or matter of fact, no disrespect intended.

WHY indeed Michelle .... there are so many questions & so few answers! Although I do think the Police have a lot more knowledge than we do & are being strategic in their releases.

Currently they are ardently appealing for any public knowledge or captured views of the red Colorado Ute, with or without the boat, in those days from Tues night to Friday morning I believe.

I can’t understand any of it really.

Why KM was at Caravan Park & not the family estate
* was she banned from staying there by J’s mother who it’s reported wasn’t a fan of the relationship
However, it’s also said they spent Xmas with his Mum - so that would indicate her tolerance & maybe negate my previous thought

* did KM actually live there full-time

I guess, if the mother was not in a healthy state, it would be reasonable for her fiancé to say he’d look after the child while she recovered

* but she didn’t check / want to speak with her daughter on the Wednesday or Thursday ?

Maybe she did want to speak with her & that’s why the calls from J while driving around on Thursday - but he made excuses that C wasn’t available

Then maybe she demanded & he admitted he couldn’t find her

 

[Aussieboy]

Isn't the vehicle he's talking about being seen.. the one the neighbour saw in the wee hours, coming INTO the Wilden.. driveway in the wee hours of the morning, *after* LE believe the body was .. disposed of? So how might that fit any of the timelines that we're aware of?

There's a link on the article with the actual phone call with the friend. Have a listen to what he's got to say, I don't think everything he says is the truth, but there's a lot more to this story.

 

[Marg944]

I wonder what is the bulky item that is covered under the blue tarp in the back of the red Ute? There is something next to the drum….. I had thought maybe the bags of sand… but what a risk to undo the tarp and place the sand bags under there in the Bunnings car park! Plus, it was not raining! I was wondering about a mattress being under the tarp? That would make sense as it could hold blood spatters? IMO

 

[Sdow]

Maybe she did want to speak with her & that’s why the calls from Justin while driving around on Thursday - but he made excuses that C wasn’t available

Then maybe she demanded & he admitted he couldn’t find her

Maybe he blew off KM on the phone too many times and she said 'right im coming there tomorrow'.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe he blew off KM on the phone too many times and she said 'right im coming there tomorrow'.

Interestingly, the 20-year-friend (in the video from the previously linked article) said that "of course he drove her (KM) to the estate, she doesn't have a car".

 

[bearbear]

the shooting could have occurred anywhere on the 12 acres, so it would be pretty much impossible to find any evidence there wouldnt it?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I wonder where the DT is getting this information from that there is no evidence at the estate.
I didn't hear that said during the presser and I thought I listened really closely and stopped the video to transcribe important bits as I was listening.

I do recall the DS saying "that's all part of the investigation, the investigation is ongoing" for quite a few things ... because (I believe) the DS did not want to answer certain questions directly.

Maybe someone else knows where this info came from? Did I somehow miss it in the presser?

I watched the 16 minute presser again and the DS doesn't mention there was no evidence found at the estate.
But I remember there was a short clip interview where he said, no gun residue or shell casings were found at [property] or [house] I can't recall which, but the investigation is ongoing.

I'm trying to find that clip again but can't find it, ugh.

While watching the presser again, he did allude to them knowing what kind of weapon it is but due to restraints, he could just say it was a small calibre firearm. Just a side note which I didn't pick up before. Jmo

 

[Warshawski]

Sorry if I’ve missed this answer already but why would the mother be staying in a run down caravan and her daughter with the new bloke at the fancy property. As a mum of 4 I just don’t understand the logistics of that scenario. It’s weird

also his driving around does indicate it wasnt a pre meditated murder IMO he has no plan or will it seems to “finish” the job properly. He was rather clumsy about it and certainly not calculated or cunning.

Drugged up or plain stupid- maybe both, or was it more than he couldnt process with hours and hours of driving around it had time to sink in just what was transpiring?

Bless that poor little girl. May the person/people responsible be dealt with to the full extent of the law. None of this “mental illness rubbish”

My apologies if my wording sounds callous or matter of fact, no disrespect intended.

WHY indeed Michelle .... there are so many questions & so few answers! Although I do think the Police have a lot more knowledge than we do & are being strategic in their releases.

Currently they are ardently appealing for any public knowledge or captured views of the red Colorado Ute, with or without the boat, in those days from Tues night to Friday morning I believe.

I can’t understand any of it really.

Why KM was at Caravan Park & not the family estate
* was she banned from staying there by J’s mother who it’s reported wasn’t a fan of the relationship
However, it’s also said they spent Xmas with his Mum - so that would indicate her tolerance & maybe negate my previous thought

* did KM actually live there full-time

I guess, if the mother was not in a healthy state, it would be reasonable for her fiancé to say he’d look after the child while she recovered

* but she didn’t check / want to speak with her daughter on the Wednesday or Thursday ?

Maybe she did want to speak with her & that’s why the calls from Justin while driving around on Thursday - but he made excuses that C wasn’t available

Then maybe she demanded & he admitted he couldn’t find her

Looks like a mixed up mess of half-truths. Some of what the friend says seems to fit the time line though.

www.news.com.au national nsw act crime friend of CM's stepfather and alleged killer JS speaks-out/news-story

IMO ‘Jason’ is battling his own demons. If he met JS at Kings across 20 years ago, I’m intrigued as to the circumstances & what an 11 year old boy was doing at Kings Cross !

I wonder if it was Jason’s place that JS went to that Friday morning, after leaving the barrel at Colo & returning the boat to Wildenstien .
Possibly for a hit or 2 of heroin to dull things.
Jason didn’t say that JS said anything in that time - just that he couldn’t imagine JS doing this. But it was his place that JS was arrested at so Police knew he was there. IMO

 

[Sdow]

Interestingly, the 20-year-friend (in the video from the previously linked article) said that "of course he drove her (KM) to the estate, she doesn't have a car".

I recall reading he wasn't at the estate in the morning? He wouldn't just drop her off and go 'your daughters not here...bye' and leave. That part doesn't add up, unless of course I'm not remebering right about his supposed where abouts during the morning, just remember he turned up at Penrith station mid morning. If he picked KM from the campground though early in the morning (before 8.20am when CM was reported missing), what would he have told KM about CM's whereabouts? awfully young to leave a child alone in a strange house by herself. And the last time she was reported as been seen Thurs pm (by JS presumably). i guess we'll find out. Either old mate is making stuff up or knows more than we give him credit for. She could have caught a taxi or got a lift there.

 

[Sdow]

the shooting could have occurred anywhere on the 12 acres, so it would be pretty much impossible to find any evidence there wouldnt it?

They had SES scouring the place, I would have though something may have come to light during their search. Admittedly that's a lot of ground to cover, even with several crews.

 

[SouthAussie]

I recall reading he wasn't at the estate in the morning? He wouldn't just drop her off and go 'your daughters not here...bye' and leave. That part doesn't add up, unless of course I'm not remebering right about his supposed where abouts during the morning, just remember he turned up at Penrith station mid morning. If he picked KM from the campground though early in the morning (before 8.20am when CM was reported missing), what would he have told KM about CM's whereabouts? awfully young to leave a child alone in a strange house by herself. And the last time she was reported as been seen Thurs pm (by JS presumably). i guess we'll find out. Either old mate is making stuff up or knows more than we give him credit for.

Yes, well I have seen it said (here) that he wasn't at the estate that morning. But I haven't seen an MSM link. I don't know if that is true. I think it is speculation because some were wondering why he wasn't interviewed at the estate.

He did drive himself to Penrith for a formal interview ... and then his ute was impounded.

 

[Sdow]

I watched the 16 minute presser again and the DS doesn't mention there was no evidence found at the estate.
But I remember there was a short clip interview where he said, no gun residue or shell casings were found at [property] or [house] I can't recall which, but the investigation is ongoing.

I'm trying to find that clip again but can't find it, ugh.

While watching the presser again, he did allude to them knowing what kind of weapon it is but due to restraints, he could just say it was a small calibre firearm. Just a side note which I didn't pick up before. Jmo

Great idea going over it again to find the small details and thanks South Aussie for your notes from yesterday as well.

 

[Sdow]

Yes, well I have seen it said (here) that he wasn't at the estate that morning. But I haven't seen an MSM link. I don't know if that is true. I think it is speculation because some were wondering why he wasn't interviewed at the estate.

He did drive himself to Penrith for a formal interview ... and then his ute was impounded.

Too true, don't know if he was there or not.

 

[Sdow]

the shooting could have occurred anywhere on the 12 acres, so it would be pretty much impossible to find any evidence there wouldnt it?

Just placing this here taken from the Daily Mail about the coverage of the area and the environment during the initial search:

NSW RFS Commander Peter Bennett told Daily Mail Australia the search parties had reached the 'saturation point' of available officers from four different stations at Chifley, Macarthur, Hawkesbury and the Blue Mountains.

He described the search areas as 'inhospitable' and the task as 'exhausting'.

He said his officers were on the lookout for traces of CM 'or anything unusual'.

Around ten groups of firies will each search an area of 10km on Monday.

'It's pretty thick scrub,' he said, 'walking in line through that is exhausting.'

Ms M is not believed to have given a formal interview yet, despite expectations she would be spoken to today.

 

[SouthAussie]

One thing I want to mention about the evidence, I distinctly remember the police saying that the barrel was sourced from public property. Because I was wondering if the barrel came from the nearby campgrounds or a park (rubbish bin).

In the presser, DS Doherty said "I can now disclose that the barrel came from the estate". I noticed the new "disclosure".

I wonder what that was about. They are evidently (and as per usual practise, imo) holding back info. The status of this piece of info having now changed, for some reason.

 

[Sdow]

Coming back to JS and KM's movements on Thursday / Friday. I still can't get my head around a few things... if JS is out disposing of CM and comes home very early am then goes on to collect KM, what does he tell her when CM is not with him? She's a little young to be left alone on a large sprawling property where she doesn't know anyone or any surroundings. He must have stayed at the property and KM must have turned up and that's when he said he hadn't seen CM since Thursday on the verandah?? Or he wasn’t there at all that morning. This part get's a bit muddled for me.

 

[Aussieboy]

Paraphrasing from The Daily Telegraph

• Police have spent ten days scouring the Wildenstein property where CM and JS were staying they still do not know exactly where CM died

• Police have not discovered any blood, gunshot residue or weapon inside the Wildenstein Estate.

• KM was staying at the caravan park with friends, leaving JS and CM alone more than an hour away back at Mt Wilson.

• Police sources said with KM has now been formally interviewed, also formally interviewed were the friends she had spent time with in the caravan.

• It is alleged JS had killed CM at the Mt Wilson property almost two days earlier, either late on Tuesday, January 11 or in the early hours of Wednesday morning. (Det Supt Doherty)

• Detectives are still trying to piece together what happened in the harrowing final moments of CM's life.

C M died after allegedly being shot by J S: police | Daily Telegraph

If he couldn't efficiently dispose of the body for what ever reason, I doubt he would have thoroughly made the crime scene spotless of all evidence. I reckon that it all happened somewhere else.